Tam and Toby ~~ Hunting Zorba .....Take two. (2 Viewers)

[Northernraider]

That comes under the heading of ‘Exceptions’ and you are not reading the entire page correctly. However, lead a horse to water and all that.

Because it is an exception im not an italian resident or national nor even an eu citizen

Therefore unless quarantine for 10 days on arrival even with a test done my only option to move between regions is to transit.

 

[Northernraider]

Do you realise the toll for the Mont Blanc Tunnel is €62.30.

I didnt but im not surprised


Ive no idea lenny ....i haven't managed to plan anything for the return trip other than the ferry booking .....because trying to understand any of it without trying to find loopholes is just confusing as anything

 

[maz]

Im only stating the information im finding in the absolute minefield of trying to get home

Unfortunately you are interpreting most of it incorrectly.

Apart from the actually entering Italy bit (we are already here) we have the same journey back to the UK as you, complete with dog. I can assure you it is nowhere near as difficult as you are making it.

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[Northernraider]

Unfortunately you are interpreting most of it incorrectly.

Apart from the actually entering Italy bit (we are already here) we have the same journey back to the UK as you, complete with dog. I can assure you it is nowhere near as difficult as you are making it.

Yes you are already there

Im not so when i enter i have 2 choices ....neg test then self isolate in one place for 10 days then i can continue to France under the claim of heading home ....i arrive in italy on the 13 march add ten days that is 23rd march


Or

I enter italy and im allowed 36 to transit italy in to france ...

Italians and french are not allowed to travel outside their own region so why would you be allowed to do so under the claim of travelling home but with no timescale?

I guarantee if you get stopped by the police and you state youve taken 3 or 4 days to drive say 400km etc then youll be fined as it isnt just travelling home

The same way when i arrive in folkestone ive to go straight to my address and isolate for 10 days

The same rules are in place for a eu countries

Ive read nothinh that says you can just take your time and meander home

 

[maz]

Yes you are already there

Im not so when i enter i have 2 choices ....neg test then self isolate in one place for 10 days then i can continue to France under the claim of heading home ....i arrive in italy on the 13 march add ten days that is 23rd march


Or

I enter italy and im allowed 36 to transit italy in to france ...

Italians and french are not allowed to travel outside their own region so why would you be allowed to do so under the claim of travelling home but with no timescale?

I guarantee if you get stopped by the police and you state youve taken 3 or 4 days to drive say 400km etc then youll be fined as it isnt just travelling home

The same way when i arrive in folkestone ive to go straight to my address and isolate for 10 days

The same rules are in place for a eu countries

Ive read nothinh that says you can just take your time and meander home

Tam, there are only so many ways I can point out that you are wrong. My patience is exhausted and I’m out of this thread.

 

[Northernraider]

Tam, there are only so many ways I can point out that you are wrong. My patience is exhausted and I’m out of this thread.

So instead of telling me im wrong when ive already stated several times that i do not understand all the different requirements and how im going to do it why not instead try telling me how you plan to do it.

Because otherwise it isnt helping its just having digs

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[paddymcc]

Hope you can find a way through all the red tape Tam.
Re tiltable solar panels; I have been thinking about this for my van and decided that tiltable to the side (rather than to the front as in the picture) makes sense. This is because the side with the habitation door is the side we tend to park facing South as we have an awning on that side. I guess it may be less relevant if you are being totally stealth and not having an awning.

Obviously you can't always choose your orientation and sometimes other considerations come into play like neighbours, views etc.
Looking forward to the build thread!
Paddy

 

[Top Hat]

This may be of some help, all motorway/tolls. if you want to get through France fast

French A26 motorway route guide

French A26 motorway | the E15 E17 holiday routes to south of France - map and guide with handy overnight hotels

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[chaser]

Tam, there are only so many ways I can point out that you are wrong. My patience is exhausted and I’m out of this thread.

I tend to agree Northernraider , I am not there so really don't know what I would do, but I think you are making hard work of the situation, what has happened to your get up and go, do what I like, go where I like, park where I like attitude?
You knew there would be problems when you set off, but you weren't concerned.
Just do it, things are getting better all the time, if you just lay low for a couple of weeks, you might not need half this stuff.

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[Northernraider]

Tam, there are only so many ways I can point out that you are wrong. My patience is exhausted and I’m out of this thread.

So instead of telling me im wrong when ive already stated several times that i do not understand all the different requirements and how im going to do it why not instead try telling me how you plan to do it.

Because otherwise it isnt helping its just having digs

You'll notice no reply forthcoming.

As i said totally different circumstances if you're already in italy than if you are entering italy from another country as a now non EU citizen.

I can't afford to stay in italy in one place for 10 days before then having to still transit in 36 hours or break local rules on moving regions.

I dont see that as my interpretation its whats written on the Italian government page i linked too.

 

[Northernraider]

I tend to agree Northernraider , I am not there so really don't know what I would do, but I think you are making hard work of the situation, what has happened to your get up and go, do what I like, go where I like, park where I like attitude?
You knew there would be problems when you set off, but you weren't concerned.
Just do it, things are getting better all the time, if you just lay low for a couple of weeks, you might not need half this stuff.

Charlie no disrespect mate but folk are quick on here to pull folk up for breaking the rules and not respecting the lockdowns etc ....im trying to abide by those rules and in doing so form a plan to make my way home. I catch the ferry on the 12th which is only 15 days away.
The rules for italy do say they are in place till march the 5th so yes they might change but thats just the first step.

It is still the case that for entry in to every eu country you require a plf form stating where you will be staying and a valid test done within 48 -72 hours depending which country its for ...italy apparently 48 hours.

So ive 2 choices entering italy ....give a location im going to be for the 10 days and not move till 23rd march
Or state im transiting and leave within 36 hours

Thats their rules

Then to enter france you need a test again done within 72 hours which would render the one done in greece invalid as its more than that.

So unless i get another test done in Italy during that 36 hour transit period i have to then transit through france or i can be forced in to quarantine.

As i said above to maz if anyone wants to read the information for italy and france and explain to me another option im more than happy to listen to it as long as its not full of maybes and loopholes because if you break the rules you will be fined.

 

[Manic]

could you contact the foreign office or English embassy for advice.

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[Langtoftlad]

I think you can only do the best you can based on your interpretation of current rules, which could be changed at anytime.
It isn't helped by websites publishing their interpretation, or being out of date.
The pages here are full of threads with folk trying to interpret just one country's regulations, to do what they want, let alone three!

Try not to get too wound up, and try to enjoy the last few days.

 

[chaser]

could you contact the foreign office or English embassy for advice.

That sounds like good advice, they should know.

 

[Stonemags76]

Does this make sense Northernraider ?

• Greece to Italy - Covid test needed? - yes - test in Patras, result 12 hours, ferry 24 hours (total 36 hours), land in Italy.
  Better if no test needed for transit.
• Transit Italy - 36 hours (curfew hours taken off that)
• Italy to France - no test needed?
• France - straight to vets just over border (24 hours before tunnel), then Covid test?
• Then 24 hours to transit - will be ok for Covid & minutes over 24 hours ok for dogs
• Need vets & Covid test places near Italian border ( preferably same place!).

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[Northernraider]

could you contact the foreign office or English embassy for advice.

Im considering that closer to arriving in italy ....just on the off chance that things improve in the next fortnight im just trying to plan ahead

 

[Northernraider]

I think you can only do the best you can based on your interpretation of current rules, which could be changed at anytime.
It isn't helped by websites publishing their interpretation, or being out of date.
The pages here are full of threads with folk trying to interpret just one country's regulations, to do what they want, let alone three!

Try not to get too wound up, and try to enjoy the last few days.

Yes i keep telling myself that and im doing my best just trying to have some sort of plan and getting frustrated when i then keep finding obstacles.

 

[Langtoftlad]

keep finding obstacles

You're in a van - drive around them

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[Northernraider]

Does this make sense Northernraider ?

• Greece to Italy - Covid test needed? - yes - test in Patras, result 12 hours, ferry 24 hours (total 36 hours), land in Italy.
  Better if no test needed for transit.
• Transit Italy - 36 hours (curfew hours taken off that)
• Italy to France - no test needed?
• France - straight to vets just over border (24 hours before tunnel), then Covid test?
• Then 24 hours to transit - will be ok for Covid & minutes over 24 hours ok for dogs
• Need vets & Covid test places near Italian border ( preferably same place!).

Yes thats kind of what i was thinking

If only transiting italy then i dont need a test done in greece as long as i leave italy within 36 hours.

But i would then need a test to enter france
Baring in mind i arrive in italy on a Saturday.

If i get a test done in greece on the thursday as i board the ferry on the friday at 4.30 ( need to be there 2.30 ) will i get result in time .....it might be enough to get me in to france ....only problem is it arrives just 90 minutes before italian curfew on saturday so not leaving me a lot of time on sunday to navigate italy.

But after that yes i thought vets over border in morning ...covid test afternoon and then the tunnel the next evening if ive results back


Not sure how long they take to give results

Have to book uk covid tests and submit plf before booking the tunnel

 

[Northernraider]

Anyway im gonna have to try and stop thinking about it till next week and then look again as its just a big headache.

I think if I hadn't bought a bus id just say stuff it and go to turkey for 3 months lol

 

[Northernraider]

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[Barclaybasher]

I think if I hadn't bought a bus id just say stuff it and go to turkey for 3 months lol

After Turkey - Syria,Lebanon, Israel, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Spain, France and home ! Simples

 

[chaser]

Anyway im gonna have to try and stop thinking about it till next week and then look again as its just a big headache.

I think if I hadn't bought a bus id just say stuff it and go to turkey for 3 months lol

It's still going to be there when you get back,, take your time and chill.

 

[Northernraider]

After Turkey - Syria,Lebanon, Israel, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Spain, France and home ! Simples

Im hoping to do a few of those next long trip .... hopefully in my vario

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[Northernraider]

It's still going to be there when you get back,, take your time and chill.

Its not that charlie its my mum lol ... she's already stressing.

And i think she's missing the dogs

 

[gpat]

Im hoping to do a few of those next long trip .... hopefully in my vario

Not so sure about Algeria or Syria or Libya. But the others sound good.

 

[gpat]

Im hoping to do a few of those next long trip .... hopefully in my vario

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[Northernraider]

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The situation in Syria remains volatile and dangerous owing to a decade of ongoing conflict and insecurity. The Syrian regime does not exercise control of parts of the country, notably in the north west where fighting has caused significant civilian casualties and displacement. Daesh, formerly known as ISIL, continues to operate as an insurgency and conducts regular attacks, especially in north east Syria and other terrorist groups are also active. Throughout Syria, local security situations are fragile and can deteriorate into armed clashes without warning. See Civil unrest/political tension and Terrorism

Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Syria. Continued attacks across Syria including in major cities, have left large numbers of people dead or injured. There is also a very high threat of kidnapping throughout Syria. There have been a number of kidnappings, including of British nationals and other Westerners, by Daesh and other groups. See Terrorism

If you choose to travel to Syria against FCDO advice, you should make sure you and any dependents have valid exit stamps on your travel documents if you need one and take out comprehensive travel and medical insurance.

I did say some of them

 

[Langtoftlad]

How about one of these Tam... as an upgrade from your intended composting jobbie...

https://www.cinderellaeco.com/mobilehomes

There's a thread...
Never heard of them before

 

[Manic]

How about one of these Tam... as an upgrade from your intended composting jobbie...

https://www.cinderellaeco.com/mobilehomes

There's a thread...
Never heard of them before

Are trying to give a Scotsman a heart attack, well over £3000

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