consequence for overweight? (6 Viewers)

[Barclaybasher]

Some folk worry too much.....

Does a taxi driver weigh his passengers?

Just asking.....

 

[sonar]

Some folk worry too much.....

Does a taxi driver weigh his passengers?

Just asking.....

No but they can move passengers about on an aeroplane. Read that somewhere.

 

[poppycamper]

We only have one plate on our Malibu, 4,400 but our registration document says 4,250 which would be used if we were weighed

Why the discrepancy.??
Only guessing but would they not go by the weight on their computor held info... I.E. your DVLA reg document.
After all, how do they know your other plated weight has not been tampered with or fitted in error.???

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[Barclaybasher]

No but they can move passengers about on an aeroplane. Read that somewhere.

I thought planes had pilots not taxi drivers.....

 

[Mike800966]

I have never forgotten pulling up behind a small volvo at temporary traffic lights and noticing that they had a very softlooking offside rear tyre, being a good boy scout I ran up to say about it I said
" you've either got a soft tyre or a VERY fat passenger in the back! as i looked round at the back seat, she must have 25 stone if she was an ounce!!
I try to be more subtle these days!!

Mike

 

[georgio]

Lenny

I know that, but was asking how VOSA apply the law if one is technically in breach of plated weight, but they as a knowledgeable organisation know that you vehicle is not dangerous.

Geoff

They know that the vehicle is not dangerous because the design weight is determined by the manufacturers and how could they take on the technical dept of Scania, Mercedes or Iveco or any other,it is the plated weight to adhere to.My own van is fiat ducato heavy chassis uprated to 38050 with 16 inch wheels, which is enough for me but could have plated it much higher.
In the past I have had lorry chassis shortend , axles added ,and uprated etc

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[nicholsong]

I thought planes had pilots not taxi drivers.....

'Drivers airframe' by the engineers' descriptions. That is the polite descriptions, from the polite engineers. Work out the rest yourselves.

 

[poppycamper]

'Drivers airframe' by the engineers' descriptions. That is the polite descriptions, from the polite engineers. Work out the rest yourselves.

Sorry must be a thiko....WWHHOOSSHH. that went right over my head. ✈✈✈✈

 

[Barclaybasher]

My Mobilvetta A class has one plate - under the bonnet - 3500kg (Fiat base vehicle).
There is a converters plate inside the passenger door - completely blank.The van is on the Maxi heavy duty chassis and air.
When I bought it was rated at 3850kg. The previous owner didn't know and didn't have a C1 !
I down-plated it to 3500kg
Is the van any less safe if I go a bit over the 3500kg ?

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[georgio]

My Mobilvetta A class has one plate - under the bonnet - 3500kg (Fiat base vehicle).
There is a converters plate inside the passenger door - completely blank.The van is on the Maxi heavy duty chassis and air.
When I bought it was rated at 3850kg. The previous owner didn't know and didn't have a C1 !
I down-plated it to 3500kg
Is the van any less safe if I go a bit over the 3500kg ?

Probably not

 

[Lenny HB]

Lenny

I know that, but was asking how VOSA apply the law if one is technically in breach of plated weight, but they as a knowledgeable organisation know that you vehicle is not dangerous.

Geoff

Surely they must work to the law.

 

[Lenny HB]

We only have one plate on our Malibu, 4,400 but our registration document says 4,250 which would be used if we were weighed

You must have 2 plates the Fiat one and the Malibu one, I suspect the Malibu one states 4250kg.

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[stevewagner]

Have not seen motorhomes being pulled for checks in UK ( I cant remember the last time I spotted an HGV one)
I have seen them in Germany pulling in motorhomes and caravans. I assume they were getting weighed. We were heading in the opposite direction.
As previously mentioned a full tank of fuel and water and a lot of folk will be over the 3500kg before you add in the toys like inflatable canoes, e-Bikes and all the other stuff we kart about.
Like a lot of things it's not treated as a big issue until some tragedy hits the media.

I've seen quite a few getting pulled just outside Brighton on the A23

 

[Lenny HB]

I've seen quite a few getting pulled just outside Brighton on the A23

Is that at the weighbridge at Handcross?

 

[stevewagner]

Is that at the weighbridge at Handcross?

I'm not sure but its just passed the junction with the A27 heading north

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[poppycamper]

I down-plated it to 3500kg
Is the van any less safe if I go a bit over the 3500kg ?

Most if not all van are plated around 3850kg, as I am sure you are aware But because of our licensing laws the manufactures down plate them to 3500kg (my Movano DRW is plated at 3500kg but there is no difference between that and it 4500kg sister), that is why it is just a paper exercise to upgrade these vehicles back to the manufacturers GVW.
HOWEVER...In addition you state you have downplated your van back to 3500kg.
So it is no more unsafe, NO,
HOWEVER you now have a 3500kg van with the documents to go and support that fact and it is therefore now ILLEGAL to drive it even, as you say "a bit overweight".
As was commented earlier some poeple dont think rules/
laws apply to them.

 

[Lenny HB]

I'm not sure but its just passed the junction with the A27 heading north

No weighbridge there must be using a portable one. Handcross one is 12 miles further north.

 

[Spriddler]

Yep, sounds like this one at the junction with the B2110 at Handcross.

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[Barclaybasher]

Most if not all van are plated around 3850kg, as I am sure you are aware But because of our licensing laws the manufactures down plate them to 3500kg (my Movano DRW is plated at 3500kg but there is no difference between that and it 4500kg sister), that is why it is just a paper exercise to upgrade these vehicles back to the manufacturers GVW.
HOWEVER...In addition you state you have downplated your van back to 3500kg.
So it is no more unsafe, NO,
HOWEVER you now have a 3500kg van with the documents to go and support that fact and it is therefore now ILLEGAL to drive it even, as you say "a bit overweight".
As was commented earlier some poeple dont think rules/
laws apply to them.

I weighed the van empty - 3300kg so NOT illegal IF I don't exceed 3500kg
Already said that allowances are made for SLIGHTLY overweight.....

 

[poppycamper]

I weighed the van empty - 3300kg so NOT illegal IF I don't exceed 3500kg
Already said that allowances are made for SLIGHTLY overweight.....

3300 kg empty... no not overweight... However only leaves 200kg.
Not being cheeky but do you have a co pilot, if so their weight has to come off your 200kg.
Not much left and have you ever weighd all the rest of the essentials you put in? and what exactly do you mean by "allowances have been made for overweight." Are you saying you are prepared to drive 5 /10%overweight.
Unladen weight of 3300kg is above the 3050KG unladen weight for speed limits so I hope as well as breaking the over weight laws you are not also breaking the UK speed limits as applied to an over 3050kg unladen weight vehicles.

 

[Kiters74]

In 2021 I took my Adria at 3500KG to a local weigh bridge, it was almost ready to go away, wife & myself in but no awning or water, no bikes only half tank of fuel, a few items of food no beers no dog, when total weight was done it only left 24kg spare, this was before I added a levelling system & semi air,

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[Barclaybasher]

3300 kg empty... no not overweight... However only leaves 200kg.
Not being cheeky but do you have a co pilot, if so their weight has to come off your 200kg.
Not much left and have you ever weighd all the rest of the essentials you put in? and what exactly do you mean by "allowances have been made for overweight." Are you saying you are prepared to drive 5 /10%overweight.
Unladen weight of 3300kg is above the 3050KG unladen weight for speed limits so I hope as well as breaking the over weight laws you are not also breaking the UK speed limits as applied to an over 3050kg unladen weight vehicles.

If I travel at 10% 'overweight' that would take me to the previous revenue weight of 3850kg and a possible fine of £100.
It is still exactly the same van! - apart from the V5
Now I can legally drive in 3.5t areas, tolls are cheaper, anyone with just a car licence can drive and it will be easier to sell.
I usually travel alone.
Previous owner took his wife, 3 kids, massive awning and all their gear to the South of France unaware of weight and no C1.....

 

[sonar]

I thought planes had pilots not taxi drivers.....

Depends what country it is

 

[Tigger-Tim]

Some folk worry too much.....

Does a taxi driver weigh his passengers?

Just asking.....

No but they can move passengers about on an aeroplane. Read that somewhere.

There is discussion about weighing airline passengers ...

Airlines could start weighing passengers before boarding

Airlines could soon require plus-sized passengers to step on the scale — or provide their weight — before boarding the aircraft.

nypost.com

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[sonar]

There is discussion about weighing airline passengers ...

Airlines could start weighing passengers before boarding

Airlines could soon require plus-sized passengers to step on the scale — or provide their weight — before boarding the aircraft.

nypost.com

It’s something to do with balancing the plane for safety and fuel economy been going on for years.

just using another excuse . If four large one very large people were behind each other on one side at the back of the plane attendants would move passengers around.

 

[jongood]

You must have 2 plates the Fiat one and the Malibu one, I suspect the Malibu one states 4250kg.

I agree but in any case VOSA would be taking the one on the V5.

 

[jongood]

It’s something to do with balancing the plane for safety and fuel economy been going on for years.

just using another excuse . If four large one very large people were behind each other on one side at the back of the plane attendants would move passengers around.

How long would it be before Ryanair bought in a fatty surcharge

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[Barclaybasher]

I agree but in any case VOSA would be taking the one on the V5.

I still have the 'old' V5 with 3850kg on.

I know I should have destroyed it but what if I showed them both V5s ?

The new one shows the revenue weight (more tax) the old one its true capacity.

Just asking....

 

[cyberyacht]

How long would it be before Ryanair bought in a fatty surcharge

I often wondered whether there should be an overall passenger+luggage allowance. Skinnies can take a full suitcase, fatties just a toothbrush. That might help address the country's obesity crisis.

 

[sonar]

I still have the 'old' V5 with 3850kg on.

I know I should have destroyed it but what if I showed them both V5s ?

The new one shows the revenue weight (more tax) the old one its true capacity.

Just asking....

Depends which version is recorded at the dvla that’s the one they go by.

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