consequence for overweight? (1 Viewer)

[vwalan]

fifth wheeler is the way .loads of payload . lower a 6,3 tonner to 3.500kg gvw keeps the train of 9.800kg trainweight . some 7.5 tonners dropped to 3.5 ton gvw keep trainweights of 11-12 ton . all driven on a b+e licence .
ideal as you get over 70 yr old .
could carry a 3.5 ton motor caravan as a run around . ha ha .
and no a frame required .

 

[Jaws]

Daughter and son in law ( DesNdonuT as was on here ) got stopped and weighed. He was found to be slightly over weight ( but only VERY slightly, less than 100kg ), was advised and told to carry on but get it sorted. There was no further action

 

[PhilG]

fifth wheeler is the way .loads of payload . lower a 6,3 tonner to 3.500kg gvw keeps the train of 9.800kg trainweight . some 7.5 tonners dropped to 3.5 ton gvw keep trainweights of 11-12 ton . all driven on a b+e licence .
ideal as you get over 70 yr old .
could carry a 3.5 ton motor caravan as a run around . ha ha .
and no a frame required .

We looked at a great one , 37000 euro, was ideal for what we wanted, but running costs would be sky high, was 3ft too long to fit in the unit we have in Frankfurt too, and if it had have gone in, we couldnt get anything out of it as the doors were on the wrong side.

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[vwalan]

dont know where thee gets prices like that from .hee hee . mines 10mtr long . i put door on rh side as i spend more time abroad in it than in uk.
only had it 16 yrs . never paid anything like that for it .
thats more than i paid for my house.

 

[PhilG]

dont know where thee gets prices like that from .hee hee . mines 10mtr long . i put door on rh side as i spend more time abroad in it than in uk.
only had it 16 yrs . never paid anything like that for it .
thats more than i paid for my house.

Thats what a fully fitted Fun mover 5th wheel goes for. We looked at one in 2000, was 16K, ex Pirelli support unit with an LT35 Crew cab tractor unit.

If we had the unit next door, it would be fine, its the mirror of ours LOL.. to be honest im glad, we would just buy more to put in it

 

[vwalan]

i bought mine with a vw lt 50 for 1650 quid . yes i did convert the trailer myself . in 2000.
in 2007 i bought the mitsubishi tipper and converted that to a tractor .
it was the local grave diggers tipper so low mileage and lots of history. ha ha .
the trailer is just over 20 ft long . but i really couldnt have bought better . ideal length for what i want . fits in two carpark spaces or one as just the truck. . cheap on ferries as they usually allow 11mtr minimum as a car and caravan . yet mine is only 10 mtrs . i admit never thought i would have it this long but hope to keep it for almost ever . thick ally chassis cant see why it shouldnt see me out .
might need a bit of careful alteration when i approach 70 buy thats easy. it does seem the way forward for me .i also have a seven seater vehicle as my car.

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[sonar]

You do not have to use SvTech. A consultancy recommended to me by MinxyGirl has completed the same excercise for me for the total sum of £94. I now have a certified additional payload of 400kg. That is less than a fine on a single axle

Old post again resurrected any one have more companies that up plate motorhomes. Apart from Sv Tech

 

[poppycamper]

Old post again resurrected any one have more companies that up plate motorhomes. Apart from Sv Tech

Van weight engineering is mentioned on current "up plating Thread.

 

[sonar]

Van weight engineering is mentioned on current "up plating Thread.

This thread was more about what happens if your overweight.
that’s now in 2022. Have things now changed or are there more actions taken.
against motor homes that are overloaded

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[sonar]

personally got pulled in when towing a boat behind a car. warning but not fined. never (yet) been checked in a motorhome but seen dozens pulled in for checks. A338 Ashley Heath and M27 Rownhams are hotspots in the summer months

the trick is to keep legal and not attract attention

M27 real close to our location. So action will most likely be taken

 

[poppycamper]

This thread was more about what happens if your overweight.
that’s now in 2022. Have things now changed or are there more actions taken.
against motor homes that are overloaded

Yes I appreciate that and that it is an old thread but I was simply answering your question which was "Alternative upplaters to SV tech."

 

[TheBig1]

This thread was more about what happens if your overweight.
that’s now in 2022. Have things now changed or are there more actions taken.
against motor homes that are overloaded

according to a friend who contracts the engineering work on motorways round the country, in lane load sensors with camera activated ANPR is being rolled out in several places. Seems to also be sites of so called "smart motorways" especially near ports and major hubs. Less patrol cars needed as a single operator can be in control of multiple sites. Big brother and all that

If you are near M27 then you know that the Rownhams services are a regular spot check area

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[DelMar]

I suggest we all need to look at Trans info, it will open your eyes to how cameras and road sensors are used to catch overweight vehicles. Plus we have the normal stop, check and weigh operations. Modern technology is their new weapon. Stay within our max weight, then we don’t have a problem of hefty fines or worse.

 

[sonar]

I suggest we all need to look at Trans info, it will open your eyes to how cameras and road sensors are used to catch overweight vehicles. Plus we have the normal stop, check and weigh operations. Modern technology is their new weapon. Stay within our max weight, then we don’t have a problem of hefty fines or worse.

I am doing what I can now to up plate. Starting with fitting some air suspension bags.
not as expensive as I thought they were and look to be something one can fit yourself.

 

[gus-lopez]

or are there more actions taken.
against motor homes that are overloaded

No.

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[maison]

But interestingly:- no posts from anyone who has actually been weighed by Vosa/police etc - again.

We have been check weighed, once, while travelling south on the A38. I have reported this on the Forum previously.

We were heading for the Ferry at Plymouth and were pulled over and weight checked by VOSA with Police in attendance.

No problems with weight but, on arriving at our overnight stop at Plymouth, we found that the people who lifted the bonnet to check our legal axle weights had broken the micro switch on the bonnet alarm and we couldn’t set it without it continually operating.

The next morning was spent searching Plymouth for an auto electrician to effect a repair before we caught the ferry!

 

[jongood]

We have been check weighed, once, while travelling south on the A38. I have reported this on the Forum previously.

We were heading for the Ferry at Plymouth and were pulled over and weight checked by VOSA with Police in attendance.

No problems with weight but, on arriving at our overnight stop at Plymouth, we found that the people who lifted the bonnet to check our legal axle weights had broken the micro switch on the bonnet alarm and we couldn’t set it without it continually operating.

The next morning was spent searching Plymouth for an auto electrician to effect a repair before we caught the ferry!

So this thread has been running for 7 years and had 15,000 views and we ve finally found someone who has been check weighed in a MH. I stand by my comment that the risk is quite low.

 

[BDM]

Surely the crux of this is to not be driving illegally overweight in the first place, rather than trying to quantify the risk of being caught.
If you have not been weighed you don't know what you weigh, and certainly not on each axle.

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[DelMar]

This is the reason for being careful of driving overweight, “the vehicle must be roadworthy at all times” there is no get out clause. I have seen motorhome and caravans escorted into the services by police at the junction with M5 and M50 motorways and weighed. If involved in an accident and overweight, there is a good chance your insurance company will not honour your claim (not roadworthy) With most motorhomes plated at max weight of 3500 kg, it doesn’t give a huge payload to start with, unless you up it. Some of us over 70 decide not to keep our C1 license, therefore it is important to travel light and know your weight.

As we generally go to Spain for a long trip, we are careful of what we take and weigh everything. Not as bad as it sounds, because some of it is a constant weight and is not weighed again, only items that vary in weight like clothes and some food etc. This method works for us as we travel light anyway. Taking a chance on not getting caught is not the answer.

Another point worth remembering, is to deduct the weight from your payload of any extras added, a sun awning fixed on the side is a good example, your wife or partner would be another one to deduct. I think we have all been guilty of this, but we do need to remember.

 

[gpat]

Old post again resurrected any one have more companies that up plate motorhomes. Apart from Sv Tech

good for you for checking there was already a thread running

 

[gpat]

So this thread has been running for 7 years and had 15,000 views and we ve finally found someone who has been check weighed in a MH. I stand by my comment that the risk is quite low.

That's not quite the right use of the word risk

The likelihood of being pulled up is LOW

The consequence of being done is HIGH

Therefore the risk is MEDIUM

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[sonar]

That's not quite the right use of the word risk

The likelihood of being pulled up is LOW

The consequence of being done is HIGH

Therefore the risk is MEDIUM

That’s another true real life personal risk assessment .

 

[gpat]

That’s another true real life personal risk assessment .

Absolutely. Its a personal choice. For me the penalty outweighs the benefit. Some people muddle on and chance is you could get away with it for years. For me, I would be too worried. I like to travel worry free and not be constantly looking out for police checkpoints.

I have never been pulled up neither in MH nor caravan. But I have seen others pulled in randomly by the gendarmes.

 

[nicholsong]

according to a friend who contracts the engineering work on motorways round the country, in lane load sensors with camera activated ANPR is being rolled out in several places. Seems to also be sites of so called "smart motorways" especially near ports and major hubs. Less patrol cars needed as a single operator can be in control of multiple sites. Big brother and all that

If you are near M27 then you know that the Rownhams services are a regular spot check area

These sensors are presumably capable of operating over 44tons, but have they sufficient sensitivity down in the 3-4ton range to detect say 100-150kg overweight?

They must have to be connected to DVLA computers to know the max authorised weight of any vehicle, but what about foreign vehicles - are they connected to all EU(+Turkey) registration systems? If only DVLA system would that not be discriminatory?

Alternatively are they just there to catch vehicles over 44tons?

Just curious.

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[jongood]

This is the reason for being careful of driving overweight, “the vehicle must be roadworthy at all times” there is no get out clause. I have seen motorhome and caravans escorted into the services by police at the junction with M5 and M50 motorways and weighed. If involved in an accident and overweight, there is a good chance your insurance company will not honour your claim (not roadworthy)

I think this is pretty unlikely, if your motorhome is in a serious enough accident to merit weighing it there probably won't be enough bits of it in one place to allow it to be weighed.

I'm not advocating breaking in laws just don't think its worth getting too hung up on it.

 

[gpat]

A mate of mine used to get pallets of french beer brought in. He had a pal who was a HGV driver and regularly went to France. One day the truck got pulled into Ainley Top checkpoint on the M62 for a random weight check. He was over by 2T. Funnily enough he has 2 pallets of Alscace Beer on board .

He got done for being overweight and for customs and excise offences.

And my mate lost £400

 

[jongood]

A mate of mine used to get pallets of french beer brought in. He had a pal who was a HGV driver and regularly went to France. One day the truck got pulled into Ainley Top checkpoint on the M62 for a random weight check. He was over by 2T. Funnily enough he has 2 pallets of Alscace Beer on board .

He got done for being overweight and for customs and excise offences.

And my mate lost £400

This is the point, they're much more interested in commercials than motorhome s

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[DelMar]

What makes people think it’s ok to disregard the law and take a chance of travelling overweight. Not all accidents are to do with a MHs so badly damaged, they won’t be weighed. What for example, God forbid, you were unfortunate to knock someone over, a child or an adult. This now changes the whole scenario of taking a chance. Not for me I’m afraid, whatever the averages of being caught are.

 

[poppycamper]

What makes people think it’s ok to disregard the law and take a chance of travelling overweight. Not all accidents are to do with a MHs so badly damaged, they won’t be weighed. What for example, God forbid, you were unfortunate to knock someone over, a child or an adult. This now changes the whole scenario of taking a chance. Not for me I’m afraid, whatever the averages of being caught are.

Point well made DelMar but unfortunately you will always get those who believe that rules/laws do not apply to them, and will carry on doing what they want regardless of consequences!!!

 

[DelMar]

Sadly you are right, just hope my last post doesn’t become a reality for anyone.

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