Swarth in the oil pump, Fiat Ducato

[Billylou]

Has anyone else had this problem? If so how was it resolved?
We’re currently waiting for a pick up truck to get us back home after the RAC diagnosed the we have swarth in the oil pump that’s moving around the engine. This was problem isn’t that rare as the RAC have a bulletin that describes it. Sadly we have just picked it up from the dealership and it has 59 miles on the clock.

 

[Clipgate]

May I assume this is a used unit

 

[Billylou]

No, brand spanking new.

 

[gus-lopez]

Straiaght back to dealer & reject it.
** as obviously it mst have broken down?

 

[PhilandMena]

Thank god for your warranty. It could be a significant problem !

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[Boringfrog]

What happened to make you call the RAC?

 

[Al-Di]

needs a very good flush out and refill possibly a couple of times , all new engines make swarth its why they used to be have to run in for a period of time/miles, surprised it made it past the filters,

 

[Billylou]

I’d like to know if anyone else had this problem first and what the fix was/is there a fix. Then we’ll decide what to do next.

 

[Clipgate]

This is not a insignificant fault, if correct.
Written report from the RAC stating ferrous or none ferrous swarf.
My action would be to reject the vehicle. This would be my choice, may not be yours.

 

[Billylou]

What happened to make you call the RAC?

The engine went into limp mode.

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[Clipgate]

In the old days of British vehicle engine production it was quite common a problem.
Modern manufacturing techniques rarely dictate running in periods.

 

[sonny]

Don’t take a chance Reject it

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Metal Swarf can cause all sorts of issues,wear in bearings,pistons etc .needs an engine out check to determine the extent of the damage.ultimately can wreck an engine . Any Swarf needs to be examined carefully to try to find the source.
IMO needs a new engine. Or a new van.

 

[bigtree]

The manufacturer must be really cutting corners for this to happen, or a component has failed.

 

[stevewagner]

Swarf is common in engines as it is usually residue from the machining. Most sump plugs are magnetic which attracts the swarf. It then gets cleaned when the oil is changed. However large particles of swarf could potentially block oil ways which could lead to a catastrophic failure.

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[Beltie]

What caused the RAC to remove the sump plug in the first place? They must have suspected something was seriously amiss.
Swarf in a modern engine is definitely not
normal.

 

[Billylou]

I sincerely hope it was an incompetent RAC guy who was talking out of his……

 

[Billylou]

What caused the RAC to remove the sump plug in the first place? They must have suspected something was seriously amiss.
Swarf in a modern engine is definitely not
normal.

The diagnosis highlighted a blockage in the oil pump. RAC man called the office who quoted the bulletin.

 

[stevewagner]

What caused the RAC to remove the sump plug in the first place? They must have suspected something was seriously amiss.
Swarf in a modern engine is definitely not
normal.

They said swarf in the oil pump

 

[Figaro]

Swarf is common in engines as it is usually residue from the machining.

I thought that was only engines from pre the 60's & 70's and modern machining manufacturing has all but eliminated it and the need for running in ?

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[Raul]

Back few years, few fellow motorbike owners found swarf in the vfr1200, after one guy documented the fault he found on his engine. After several owners puting the pressure on Honda UK, they managed to identify and trace certain models and issued a recal for engine swap.
Swarf in a new engine is manufacturing fault. It has to be replaced with another engine. There is no way you can clean it unless you wash rebuild the block.

 

[Two on Tour]

A bit of an odd diagnosis for the RAC guy to come to unless as it went into limp mode then maybe it had thrown up a P0524 error code for low oil pressure, but coming up with swarf in the oil pump sounds like a bit of a guess to me.

 

[pappajohn]

The engine went into limp mode.

It wouldnt go into limp mode with contaminated oil.... It needs sensor input to do that.
The RAC driver should stick to selling marbles or cod.

 

[Badknee]

My first ever new van was a 55 plate Renault trafic.I was gobsmacked to read the first service was @20,000 miles I’ve rebuilt engines in my yoof and changed the oil @100 and then 500 miles. Two chances, there’s swarf in the oil pump or a dodgy sensor.

 

[pappajohn]

They said swarf in the oil pump

But the oil pump has its own gauze filter which would stop all but the smallest bits of swarf and unless he dismantled the pump he wouldn't know.
The RAC man is an idiot.

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[Billylou]

So this was the reading. Note that the RAC office informed the RAC mechanic of the swarth in the oil pump bulletin

RAC DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM
System Type: ENGINE
Name: EOBD
DTC: P0520,Engine oil pressure sensor/switch - circuit malfunction DTC: P1DD2, , Manufacturer controlled DTC
System Type: ENGINE SYSTEM TEST/VALUES
Name: F1AE3481D - MARELLI 8F3 CF5/EOBD
F1AE3481E - DIAGNOSE
F1AGL411D - DIAGNOSE (MAGNETI MARELLI 9DF EURO6) DTC: P1541,Variable displacement oil pump pressure blocked

 

[Spriddler]

I always inspect/clean new replacement parts and sub-assemblies as a matter of course before fitting them. Very many components are produced by subcontractors or off-site at another of the assembler's factory sites (costed at a volume piece-price or produced in a rush to meet strict JIT schedules) and it's not unusual for swarf to inadvertently remain inside from the manufacturing processes.

 

[Badknee]

The RAC man is an idiot.

It seems not an idiot at all. He was clever enough to read the diagnosis on his computer. He was clever enough to contact his office. He was clever enough to read the information from his office.

 

[Two on Tour]

P0520 Code Engine Oil Pressure Sensor/Switch Circuit

 

[Beltie]

To me that suggests that the pressure side of the oil pump was unable to deliver oil to the engine. Obviously this could have caused significant damage.
It's your decision but in your place I would be rejecting.

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