Motorhomes over 3.5T new rules in France

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As of 1st jan 2021 Motorhomes must display blind spot notices

see here (French website) https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/actualites/A14499

Translation from google

Heavy goods vehicles: installation of a blind spot signaling device ​

Posted on December 03, 2020 - ​

Directorate of legal and administrative information (Prime Minister) Illustration 1 Credits: © Road Safety Illustration 1 ​

Bikes, two-wheelers, motorcycles, scooters, scooters, hoverboards, gyropods, monowheels ... are always less visible than a car. With their smaller size, they are often placed in the blind spots of heavy goods vehicles (trucks, buses, coaches, etc.). In order to strengthen the protection of vulnerable users traveling on public roads, a blind spot signaling device must be installed on heavy vehicles from January 1, 2021. Provided for by the mobility orientation law of December 2019, it has just been implemented. 'be decided by a decree published in the Official Journal on November 19, 2020. Vehicles over 3.5 tonnes (goods transport vehicles and passenger transport vehicles) must be fitted with signage showing the position of blind spots as of January 1, 2021.​


This signage must be affixed on the sides and at the rear of the vehicle in order to be visible to cyclists, pedestrians and users of personal vehicles traveling on public roads. They are not always aware of the impossibility for the driver of the truck to perceive their presence, which causes sometimes fatal accidents, for example when the driver plans to turn while a cyclist is present on the side of the vehicle. This obligation applies to heavy vehicles traveling in an urban environment. It does not concern agricultural and forestry vehicles, winter service vehicles and intervention vehicles of the services managing highways or dual carriageways which are not intended to operate in dense urban environments. Failure to comply with this obligation is penalized by a fourth class fine. The model of the signage and its methods of affixing will be fixed by a forthcoming decree of the Minister responsible for Transport and the Minister responsible for Road Safety.







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But you would'nt know some motorhomes are over 3500kg just by looking, hence the loophole at the peage's
 
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The advice in the camping-car world in France seems to be 'wait and see'. The legislation is in its draft form at present and, despite listing a number of exempt vehicle types, doesn't explicitly exempt motorhomes from the requirement, so no-one is sure which direction the authorities will take until the decree is published. I'm sure the MH movement will be making some representations.
Google translation of the relevant Camping-car.com page here.
 
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Ebbo said:
As of 1st jan 2021 Motorhomes must display blind spot notices

see here (French website) https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/actualites/A14499

Translation from google

Heavy goods vehicles: installation of a blind spot signaling device ​

Posted on December 03, 2020 - ​

Directorate of legal and administrative information (Prime Minister) Illustration 1 Credits: © Road Safety Illustration 1 ​

Bikes, two-wheelers, motorcycles, scooters, scooters, hoverboards, gyropods, monowheels ... are always less visible than a car. With their smaller size, they are often placed in the blind spots of heavy goods vehicles (trucks, buses, coaches, etc.). In order to strengthen the protection of vulnerable users traveling on public roads, a blind spot signaling device must be installed on heavy vehicles from January 1, 2021. Provided for by the mobility orientation law of December 2019, it has just been implemented. 'be decided by a decree published in the Official Journal on November 19, 2020. Vehicles over 3.5 tonnes (goods transport vehicles and passenger transport vehicles) must be fitted with signage showing the position of blind spots as of January 1, 2021.​


This signage must be affixed on the sides and at the rear of the vehicle in order to be visible to cyclists, pedestrians and users of personal vehicles traveling on public roads. They are not always aware of the impossibility for the driver of the truck to perceive their presence, which causes sometimes fatal accidents, for example when the driver plans to turn while a cyclist is present on the side of the vehicle. This obligation applies to heavy vehicles traveling in an urban environment. It does not concern agricultural and forestry vehicles, winter service vehicles and intervention vehicles of the services managing highways or dual carriageways which are not intended to operate in dense urban environments. Failure to comply with this obligation is penalized by a fourth class fine. The model of the signage and its methods of affixing will be fixed by a forthcoming decree of the Minister responsible for Transport and the Minister responsible for Road Safety.







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If in doubt just put them on if it saves a fine that's good and if it saves a life that's even better
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But surely it's to benefit pedestrians and cyclists when turning right, your blind side? But if you're in a rhd vehicle it's not a blind side cause you're sitting on that side? Unless you are blind if course?
 
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Its come in in london as well - For Lorries and Buses.
If it runs true to form the gendarmes won't bother enforcing it - just like they re not sat in calais waiting to check every motorist has got their headlamps changed and their Gilets, first aid kits, spare bulbs etc etc etc.
 
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autorouter said:
A motorhome is not a 'goods transport vehicle'. A motorhome is not a 'passenger transport vehicle'. The item refers to 'heavy goods vehicles (trucks, buses, coaches etc.)' I take it that means what we would call HGV and PSV, perhaps including LGV.
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But it might also include a van, over 3.5 tons and is registered as Private Heavy Goods, wouldn't it?
 
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slowdriver said:
But it might also include a van, over 3.5 tons and is registered as Private Heavy Goods, wouldn't it?
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But a Private HGV isn't licensed to carry goods, if it was you would need a tachograph and operators licence and driver CPC I believe.
 
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Wildbill said:
If in doubt just put them on if it saves a fine that's good and if it saves a life that's even better
bill
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If any drivers think that way they should be displaying them wherever they are.

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So if you put these stickers on and you hit someone in a blind spot are you absolved of any responsibility?
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To use like the stickers you put in your front lights. When you decide to cross the border, you put the stickers in the blind spot.
 
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gus-lopez said:
only any use if you look at it.
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So true (y) likewise a sign is only any use if somebody sees it and takes notice;) every little helps though.

Will it eventually end in a court? you put stickers on your vehicle admitting you know about a "blind spot" yet you did nothing about said "blind spot" you could have fitted 360 cameras to mitigate the danger, blah blah blah.

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Obviously a wait and see situation.

Following chat on here.
 
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The new regulations For HGVs in London comes in to force 1st January but won't enforce it until march to give everyone time to get the stuff fitted and permits/certificates gained. The HGVs etc have to have cameras / close contact sensors and bleepers. Also must be recording, (a new rule later in the year.) costs us £1000 per vehicle.
ps.. it will be enforced by number plate recognition. And not required on the trailer, just the towing vehicle.ie tractor unit.
 
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funflair said:
So true (y) likewise a sign is only any use if somebody sees it and takes notice;) every little helps though.

Will it eventually end in a court? you put stickers on your vehicle admitting you know about a "blind spot" yet you did nothing about said "blind spot" you could have fitted 360 cameras to mitigate the danger, blah blah blah.
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It's probably another initiative from the re-employed 'breathalyser carrying' team?:xThumb:
 
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lou020 said:
The new regulations For HGVs in London comes in to force 1st January but won't enforce it until march to give everyone time to get the stuff fitted and permits/certificates gained. The HGVs etc have to have cameras / close contact sensors and bleepers. Also must be recording, (a new rule later in the year.) costs us £1000 per vehicle.
ps.. it will be enforced by number plate recognition. And not required on the trailer, just the towing vehicle.ie tractor unit.
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Hence why I wont be heading into London when that comes in.

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We need Reginald Molehusband back on the case. Or even better a video showing a modern day celebrity on a bicycle getting splattered by a truck - Graham Norton is after a new job.....
 
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Ebbo said:
Vehicles over 3.5 tonnes (goods transport vehicles and passenger transport vehicles) must be fitted with signage showing the position of blind spots as of January 1,
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A motorhome over 3500kg is only classed as PHGV for revenue purposes, it is not a commercial goods carrying vehicle, so the new rule won't apply.
 
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