Help needed! Broken down in 35C France... Turbocharger maybe?? (2 Viewers)

[spitfire]

YoungDave I had the garage, they understood perfectly what the problem is , and said if they can find the part quickly it should be ready by wednesday. Finding the part is the main thing. They can't make a quote until they see the Moho, but then you will have it quickly.
If any problem to understand each other they will contact me so you don't use your English phone!

They are waiting for you on Monday as said!

Job done as far as I am concerned!

Amicalement
Frankie

Well done Bill and Jean Claude can stand down lol ( do u know that expression in English ?)

 

[Wildcampers]

Hi Dave.

Sorry to hear of your woes
From your description of the problem it sounds like the Turbo......have a good look around it and make sure all hoses pipes attached to it are tight and fitted correctly.

Good luck mate.

 

[yodeli]

Well done Bill and Jean Claude can stand down lol ( do u know that expression in English ?)

No! Explain!

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[spitfire]

No! Explain!

Is an expression I think started in the forces . It means you are no longer on duty or required lol x

 

[YoungDave]

airwave that seems like incredibly sage advice - thank you. I am most certainly going to start cleaning my engine - and regularly changing its oil!

 

[TheBig1]

airwave that seems like incredibly sage advice - thank you. I am most certainly going to start cleaning my engine - and regularly changing its oil!

You would be amazed to see the state of some engines. Fairly new vehicles, a year or 2 out of warranty and people just stop getting them serviced. The vehicle starts, runs and does as asked until suddenly, it doesn't. Then the owner starts slagging the vehicle off as a piece of junk and baulks at the high bill to repair it. Bottom line though it is the owner's fault for neglecting the vehicle. And the cumulative cost of a couple of years servicing would have been cheaper and a lot less hassle than repairing a neglected vehicle

The problem is that it was never deliberate, just no warranty to comply with or reminders from the dealer to service the vehicle. It is just so easy to forget stuff in the course of normal life and the only time many cars get looked over at a garage is the annual MOT.

Moving on, people are far too trusting when they buy vehicles and look at the shiny bodywork and comfy seats. That so called full service history is just a handfull of stamps in a book. What you should be looking for is a folder of receipts for work done. One very good reason that anyone who knows about vehicles checks back through the MOT history online to see how well the vehicle has been cared for, indicated by fails and advisories

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[Wildbill]

Sorry f

Can Wildbill throw any light on the problem, thought he had a Talbot that he works on a bit.

Sorry Jim not vary well at the moment tomany things going on but I hop he gets sorted out
Bill

 

[Clipgate]

These are light commercial vehicles and need servicing, how many obtain a service schedule and take note of it. Garages can be the owners saviour or downfall, so often the phrase used is "check" customer thinks that item has been checked, well think again may be adequate on a new vehicle or one three years old (maybe) however past that it's often quite inadequate, it's worthy of note many base vehicle manufacturers support spare parts for no more than 7 years, thus they consider a 10 year old chassis as past it's sell by date the courier industry rarely keeps a vehicle for 3 years if that.
My point is develop your own schedule of servicing, and replacements, hoses do not last for ever as with other components, such as hub and wheel bearings, brake hoses wheel cylinders etc etc. Take a view and schedule replacement not hope it will last. With limited use oil replacement in my view is vital on a calendar basis not mileage. Finally an MOT is not assurance of reliability or serviceability, merely a snap shot in a very small window of time and then to a very basic standard.

 

[mitzimad]

These are light commercial vehicles and need servicing, how many obtain a service schedule and take note of it. Garages can be the owners saviour or downfall, so often the phrase used is "check" customer thinks that item has been checked, well think again may be adequate on a new vehicle or one three years old (maybe) however past that it's often quite inadequate, it's worthy of note many base vehicle manufacturers support spare parts for no more than 7 years, thus they consider a 10 year old chassis as past it's sell by date the courier industry rarely keeps a vehicle for 3 years if that.
My point is develop your own schedule of servicing, and replacements, hoses do not last for ever as with other components, such as hub and wheel bearings, brake hoses wheel cylinders etc etc. Take a view and schedule replacement not hope it will last. With limited use oil replacement in my view is vital on a calendar basis not mileage. Finally an MOT is not assurance of reliability or serviceability, merely a snap shot in a very small window of time and then to a very basic standard.

i was on my fifth car when i found out engines dont come coated in oil and grease

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[Realist]

Similar issue to my old van that happened to me on way to Birmingham NEC show, turned out to be the turbo and a split in the manifold.

 

[Spriddler]

Before retiring in technical export marketing I used to translate lengthy techy documentation into French or German to give to groups of engineers abroad when I was presenting new products to them or to new distributors.
Literal technical translations from the English are often nonsense or the term required is a very specialised word unique to that language, product or technology. My solution was to search competitors' techy manuals/illustrated parts lists or in the OP's case refer to that vehicle's manual in the local language required, found on the Web. I appreciate that it would be a bit of a faff, especially for a stressed OP on a foreign pitch.

 

[WJACC]

YoungDave

Perhaps what is needed is a Haynes manual in French, they are available but the one I've found is the 2.8jtd. I've no idea if it is similar.

RTA FIAT DUCATO II phase 2 Chassis double cabine 4 portes (2002 > 2006)

RTA FIAT DUCATO II phase 2 Chassis double cabine 4 portes (2002 > 2006), Les conseils de RTA pour votre FIAT DUCATO II phase 2 Chassis double cabine 4 portes (2002 > 2006)

www.revue-technique-auto.fr

It can be downloaded as a PDF 32€

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[YoungDave]

WJACC not a bad idea. My van is actually on the 1st Generation Ducato, which they don't seem to have, but they do have Citoren C25 which I believe is essentially the same van. Might bite the bullet for €30 to help things go smoothly.

What do you think yodeli ?

All the best,
YoungDave

 

[yodeli]

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I found this but it says it's in German. I've been on a few french forums about Ducato , and some say The C25 has things in common with Ducato but not all.
It was on this forum https://www.c25-j5-ducato.com/t1223-recherche-revue-technique-fiat-ducato-2-5-td-de-1993.htm

 

[Pedders]

I have been reading with interest. A bit like a TV soap really. Like on a Wednesday night when Corri used to finish and wouldn't resume again until Monday. This site is amazing. You people are amazing. I can't include myself as I haven't anything to contribute, but just to know you are all there and willing to give up your time, assistance, and accommodate is beyond what I have been accustomed to on any other site. I am proud to be a member of this community. I am waiting for the next stage and have all my fingers and toes crossed. Pedro x

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[YoungDave]

Thanks

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I found this but it says it's in German. I've been on a few french forums about Ducato , and some say The C25 has things in common with Ducato but not all.
It was on this forum https://www.c25-j5-ducato.com/t1223-recherche-revue-technique-fiat-ducato-2-5-td-de-1993.htm

yodeli . Maybe let's see what the garage says tomorrow and take things from there. Hopefully, if it's a fiat garage, he is used to the engines!

All the best,
YoungDave

 

[Jake Royd]

Thanks

yodeli . Maybe let's see what the garage says tomorrow and take things from there. Hopefully, if it's a fiat garage, he is used to the engines!

All the best,
YoungDave

YoungDave , don't worry too much , from what I have read the oil separator is not that much of a problem.
Losing pressure for the turbo seems to be the issue. Not due to any turbo failure but due to a pipe of connection coming off and limiting your boost.
I am sure it won't tun out so bad.
(speaking as a retired automotive design and development manager)

 

[pagey]

also at the age of your engine a possible cause of power loss is a part seized or stuck part open turbo wastegate its a little flap on the turbo which stops the turbo overboosting

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[Abacist]

I used to use Gunk until I was introduced to Jizer by some mechanic friends many years ago. Gunk looks brown and dirty before you start but Jizer is a sort of transparent rose pink sort of colour and therefore easier to see when you have rubbed it in with your brush and its turns dirty brown as it removes the oil and grease. just a slight word of warning - take care that all rubber boots intended to protect things like universal joints, bearings etc don't have any cuts in them or the degreasant will get in and will be removing grease or oil that you don't want removed!

 

[DP+JAY]

WJACC not a bad idea. My van is actually on the 1st Generation Ducato, which they don't seem to have, but they do have Citoren C25 which I believe is essentially the same van. Might bite the bullet for €30 to help things go smoothly.

What do you think yodeli ?

All the best,
YoungDave

The vans are virtually the same, apart from the engine& gearbox. Fiat engine is completely different.
DP

 

[gus-lopez]

Didn't Peugeot ,Fiat & Citroën all use the same 2,5 engine ? I thought it was only the 1,9 where peugeot & Citroën used one engine ,the pug, & Fiat used its own 149.B1 ?

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[Pedders]

Where are we up to with the repair and getting the van back on the road to its full glory??

 

[yodeli]

Where are we up to with the repair and getting the van back on the road to its full glory??

Nope! .... I'm sure Dave will come along for an update. He will do it in a better English than me.

 

[klaatu]

He will do it in a better English than me.

Ce n’est pas possible.

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[PhilMary]

Sorry f

Sorry Jim not vary well at the moment tomany things going on but I hop he gets sorted out
Bill

Sorry to hear Wildbill you're not well. Look after yourself.
Phil

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Hi YoungDave ,any updates?

 

[YoungDave]

Hi Jimbohorlicks , Pedders (and everyone else). Apolgoies for the lack of an update, have also been contending with a 3 way fridge with a mind of its own, helpfully addressed (I think) by both previous posts/resonses on here, as well as the assistance of royw , WJACC & yodeli.

Anyway - we visited the garage yesterday. They were really lovely and great people. WJACC thank you again for the recommendation. As an aside, it made me think that perhaps FUN could use a directory of recommended garages across the continent. We all have problems, and having a list of trusted places to go could be great? Perhaps this already exists and I have missed it? Anyway, one for Big Jim I suspect!

Alas, I digress. Back to the update.

Firstly, without yodeli who knows where I'd be. She deserves to be made a saint. With her kind assistance despite lots of other things going on, we managed to communicate that there was a problem with the turbo, that I had found a loose pipe/hose, refitted and it seemed to be okay. The mechanic took the van for a whirl, checked over all the pipes/hoses, and was happy with everything on that side of things. Great news, and pleased I'd managed to - in the end - fix that problem myself.

The catch can is however another matter. It needs replacing, the mechanic believes this is where the oil is coming from which is coating the rest of the engine which would make sense. The problem the garage is having is sourcing the part. I'm wondering whether any FUNsters - particularly the mechanically-minded of you - would know where I might be able to source one (and get shipped to the local garage)? yodeli reckons it might be easier to pick up parts in the UK vs here.

Does anyone have any useful ideas of suppliers? Google isn't being very helpful, maybe due to me being in France and searching in English.

Thanks everyone, and to all you other FUNsters for your useful comments. I've learnt a bunch from reading everyone's suggestions.

All the best,
YoungDave

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[WJACC]

This is who we use for parts There are many others.

What is the French term for what you are looking for? If you let me know the engine you have and the part you looking for I'll try on a French forum I'm a member of if anybody knows a stockist.

Also yodeli if you are part of a French camping car forum maybe people on their with similar engines etc. will tell you who the best suppliers are.