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"Gas boilers and cookers to be banned in new homes from 2025"
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What do they plan on replacing them with?
this has been about for a while
Gas heating in new build houses will be banned by 2025, but gas hobs will still be allowed, according to Chancellor Philip Hammond. New homes will use heat pumps and energy-efficient measures to heat them.
Gas heating in new build houses will be banned by 2025, but gas hobs will still be allowed, according to Chancellor Philip Hammond. New homes will use heat pumps and energy-efficient measures to heat them.
Are combi boilers being phased out?
Yes they are – although not straight away. A report from the Committee on Climate Change (CCC) announced that, as of 2025, gas boilers will be banished from newly built houses. The report says that new homes will not be connected to the gas grid, but instead be powered by low-carbon energy. this was published ..27 Mar 2020
Yes they are – although not straight away. A report from the Committee on Climate Change (CCC) announced that, as of 2025, gas boilers will be banished from newly built houses. The report says that new homes will not be connected to the gas grid, but instead be powered by low-carbon energy. this was published ..27 Mar 2020
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Are they really going to put a gas supply into new houses in case a prospective buyer wants to fit a gas hob ? plus it depends what you read as to gas hobs will be banned or not.
Heat pumps air to water cost ten times more kw per kw compared to gas boiler. I’m saying air to water because that’s all you can implement in built up areas. You could do the heating with air to air pumps, but, you still need the domestic hot water. Air to water can do both at a cost. Under 0 degC the COP is not great and decreasing as it gets colder.
as you say it depends where you read...
gas boilers will be banished from newly built houses. The report says that new homes will not be connected to the gas grid,
the most recent stuff i have seen ( on the box) is stating that new builds will be from ground source heat pumps.
which i guess from a new build is a tad easier to install than your average valleys terraced house..
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Why oh why do they keep letting morons with NO idea dictate future policy?
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And that will work so well for an inner city tower block !!!!!!!!!!!
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We looked at as an option when we were moving into our present house as the oil fired boiler was buggered, but it could not be installed as we are on clay.
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They definitely are not suited everywhere, like geothermal needs volcanic activity really to work
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A friend has just spent 2 weeks digging trenches for his ground source heating - total 1km in a field behind his new build........... yeah that'll work for everyone
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the most recent stuff i have seen ( on the box) is stating that new builds will be from ground source heat pumps.
which i guess from a new build is a tad easier to install than your average valleys terraced house..
Simply put, there is not enough space for all new builds to provide the ground for the pipes. As others have pointed, some soil is not even suitable. Air to water is easier and cheaper. It forces you to spend more for the pump, and once they got you on the grid, supply and demand will drive electricity up.
Air to water is still more economic than oil in the long run. Add some PV and you’re onto a winner.
not read huge amounts on it but the current thinking ( I Believe ) is a bore hole straight down.
... how far 
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Just look at Northern Ireland. It's all either oil for heating, electric or Calor for cooking, no mains gas.
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As it happens we are going to be having 20 or so panels fitted along with battery storage thanks to Cambridge County Council organising a group buy to get the reduced cost.
At 27p a litre, oil fired is a pretty good option at present.
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For new build consider that the energy efficiency is not just the method of heat input, it is the whole package of insulation, air tightness, heat recovery from mechanical ventilation and such like. Modern blocks such as flats, and many housing estates often have an "energy centre" so heating systems can be centralised. A borehole type heating system would be too expensive for a single dwelling but spread over many dwellings is viable. My mothers retirement flat, 2 years old, has proven that energy efficient that last year she probably put her underfloor electric to water heating system on 4 or 5 times over the winter, yet she is nearly 90 and we'd expect someone her age to want a lot of warmth. In fact cooling is a greater problem as with a flat having windows on only one side you can't get a through draught in the height of summer so temperatures inside gradually increase, but don't cool readily in warm weather.
The days of high heat energy demand for new build have gone. Heat by electric powered air or ground source heat pumps is entirely viable, especially when you add solar water heating or power panels into the mix. Gas won't be needed.
The greater challenge is dealing with the existing housing stock. It's challenging to improve these, costly and disruptive. We will need to accept the loss of our brick faced Victorian terraces as walls are insulated. Even so such properties won't be adequately air tight. Retro fitting heat pumps probably won't work as the temperatures of water pipes won't be high enough for radiators to work. These systems work best for large areas of lower temperature out put i.e underfloor heating pipework. So for some years if not decades, fossil fuel heating is going to be needed for older housing.
But portable lpg and the like will become less popular and harder to obtain. All those patio heater systems beloved of pubs will be phased out. We will be discouraged from even BBQs all in the name of being greener. Life is about to get rather boring.
The days of high heat energy demand for new build have gone. Heat by electric powered air or ground source heat pumps is entirely viable, especially when you add solar water heating or power panels into the mix. Gas won't be needed.
The greater challenge is dealing with the existing housing stock. It's challenging to improve these, costly and disruptive. We will need to accept the loss of our brick faced Victorian terraces as walls are insulated. Even so such properties won't be adequately air tight. Retro fitting heat pumps probably won't work as the temperatures of water pipes won't be high enough for radiators to work. These systems work best for large areas of lower temperature out put i.e underfloor heating pipework. So for some years if not decades, fossil fuel heating is going to be needed for older housing.
But portable lpg and the like will become less popular and harder to obtain. All those patio heater systems beloved of pubs will be phased out. We will be discouraged from even BBQs all in the name of being greener. Life is about to get rather boring.
Make sure you get distribution network approval for feeding more than 4kw. Generally in south east, anything over 16a it takes special approval. The 20 panels sounds like 6kw array. We worked on a house project in Cambridgeshire. The owner had self designed a passive house, he managed the hole build and we was contracted to fit a 12kw array. After lots of ping pong with DNO distribution network operator, we managed to fit 8kw, he was not allowed to feed more than 36a.As it happens we are going to be having 20 or so panels fitted along with battery storage thanks to Cambridge County Council organising a group buy to get the reduced cost.
At 27p a litre, oil fired is a pretty good option at present.
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Ask Greece about Geothermal,,Ruined some islands..BUSBY.
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Thought you could only have 16 solar panels after that it’s commercial with l money paid may be wrong nowadaysAs it happens we are going to be having 20 or so panels fitted along with battery storage thanks to Cambridge County Council organising a group buy to get the reduced cost.
At 27p a litre, oil fired is a pretty good option at present.
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If a bore hole is used for ground source heating how deep are you allowed to go. Is there any thing in the deeds saying about mineral rights etc and ownership of the ground under the property ?
Not necessarily, see my post above. The 16 panels old 250w would make 4k array, coupled with a 3,6kw inverter for a 16a feed in. The larger ones can be done after DNO evaluation of the grid. Of curse you will get peanuts for feed in the bigger the install, but is allowed for self consumption as long as your grid can support bigger power generation when you don’t consume. They take in consideration both situations, when you use it is not a problem, but when not, it will be injected in the grid, and the grid has to cope with that extra generation and grid stability. They can control the smart grid approved inverters now. Most new build has PV for better epc cert.
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A few years ago I had an official looking letter out of the blue.
I gave it my solicitor and whilst I can`t remember the terminology, it was a reminder that whilst owning the freehold, my ownership didn`t extend more than a short distance underground. It also excluded the rights to minerals etc.
It would have been around the time fracking was in the news and might have been because of that.
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You would hope that Cambridge County Council and the company nominated to carry the thousands of installations would have the can's and can't do's all sorted out.
Over 40,000 households signed up to the quoting process and I would imagine the a few thousand like us are continuing forward and having panels installed.
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