Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones (1 Viewer)

[mikebeaches]

An article in The Brussels Times, reporting on a German study that states:

Electric vehicles in Germany account for more CO2 emissions than diesel ones, according to a study by German scientists.

http://brusselstimes.com/business/t...gyPddg19tBwbd1oFUA7-fJ8sanqtRn0d3MzOdd6ORPPdg

 

[DuxDeluxe]

An article in The Brussels Times, reporting on a German study that states:

Electric vehicles in Germany account for more CO2 emissions than diesel ones, according to a study by German scientists.

http://brusselstimes.com/business/t...gyPddg19tBwbd1oFUA7-fJ8sanqtRn0d3MzOdd6ORPPdg

Not Tesla cars..... apparently they run on unicorn farts.....

Similar studies including one I posted the other day says much the same, however that was poo pooed.

 

[pappajohn]

Common knowledge to anyone who cares to research.
Their percentages will be even higher as they haven't taken into account the CO2 produced mining for coal to power the power stations.... Only that for mining the raw materials to make the batteries.

Of course, because an electric vehicle produces no CO2 itself these figures are hidden from general view when it come to advertising the 'advantages' of going electric.

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[Robert Clark]

 

[Pausim]

Not Tesla cars..... apparently they run on unicorn farts.....

The article does say that methane engines are better.

 

[Yorick]

Part of the reason to have electric vehicles is to take the pollution from towns. They do that.

Nobody is daft enough to think they don't indirectly cause pollution

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[Madcaravanner]

Part of the reason to have electric vehicles is to take the pollution from towns. They do that.

Nobody is daft enough to think they don't indirectly cause pollution

Agree BUT

The way Electric cars are advertised this "Hidden" Carbon Dioxide is not even skimmed over it's just that HIDDEN and because the modern media spoon feed the general populous they don't think for themselves any more

 

[Langtoftlad]

Was the study written by VW engineers

 

[Justamil]

An article in The Brussels Times, reporting on a German study that states:

Electric vehicles in Germany account for more CO2 emissions than diesel ones, according to a study by German scientists.

http://brusselstimes.com/business/t...gyPddg19tBwbd1oFUA7-fJ8sanqtRn0d3MzOdd6ORPPdg

Hi Mike,

I wonder who commissioned that report. A few problems come to mind. It mentions the CO2 cost of mineral extraction for the batteries and the CO2 in the production of the electricity. It then compares this to the diesel car production of CO2 per km.
There appears to be no account of the CO2 in the extraction of crude oil, it’s transportation and cracking into diesel. Doesn’t appear on the face of it a true comparison of pollution costs.
Again I wonder who commissioned that report?

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[mitzimad]

someone who makes cars but not electric ones would be my guess

 

[mikebeaches]

Hi Mike,

I wonder who commissioned that report. A few problems come to mind. It mentions the CO2 cost of mineral extraction for the batteries and the CO2 in the production of the electricity. It then compares this to the diesel car production of CO2 per km.
There appears to be no account of the CO2 in the extraction of crude oil, it’s transportation and cracking into diesel. Doesn’t appear on the face of it a true comparison of pollution costs.
Again I wonder who commissioned that report?

Agreed - it would indeed be interesting to know who funded the research...

 

[busby]

Sim

Part of the reason to have electric vehicles is to take the pollution from towns. They do that.

Nobody isaft enough to think they don't indirectly cause pollution

Easy way to reduce pollution in towns is BAN CARS but make public transport free..BUSBY

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[MattR]

As renewable energy becomes more widespread (including storage of power during peak provision) less fossil fuel will be required ... this will reduce the CO2 emissions ... it may take several years but it will help reduce street level pollution in the meantime.

 

[jongood]

As renewable energy becomes more widespread (including storage of power during peak provision) less fossil fuel will be required ... this will reduce the CO2 emissions ... it may take several years but it will help reduce street level pollution in the meantime.

This is indeed the place we want to be, but how are we going to get there? It would require massive investment in infrastructure both to produce the power and to distribute it.

I think hybrid is a more realistic choice at the moment particularly for commercials. take a motorhome at 150 bhp, it only needs this to give acceptable hill climbing ability and acceleration, whereas for much of its journey while cruising along a motorway it could easily manage with half that ( its not so long ago a transit was 70bhp). The same is true of all commercials right up to 44 tonnes.

The main problem with hybrids is weight. Iveco developed a hybrid daily a few years ago but needed to increase the weight allowance to 4250kgs to allow it to compete effectively with the 3500kgs version but this needed the EU wide regulations altering and they wont do it.

 

[mikebeaches]

This is indeed the place we want to be, but how are we going to get there? It would require massive investment in infrastructure both to produce the power and to distribute it.

I think hybrid is a more realistic choice at the moment particularly for commercials. take a motorhome at 150 bhp, it only needs this to give acceptable hill climbing ability and acceleration, whereas for much of its journey while cruising along a motorway it could easily manage with half that ( its not so long ago a transit was 70bhp). The same is true of all commercials right up to 44 tonnes.

The main problem with hybrids is weight. Iveco developed a hybrid daily a few years ago but needed to increase the weight allowance to 4250kgs to allow it to compete effectively with the 3500kgs version but this needed the EU wide regulations altering and they wont do it.

Interesting and informative post - thanks!

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[skylinersi]

Sim

Easy way to reduce pollution in towns is BAN CARS but make public transport free..BUSBY

lol, really, the public transport system is grossly underfunded and not fit for purpose, and unlikely to ever be...........

 

[MattR]

This is indeed the place we want to be, but how are we going to get there? It would require massive investment in infrastructure both to produce the power and to distribute it.

I think hybrid is a more realistic choice at the moment particularly for commercials. take a motorhome at 150 bhp, it only needs this to give acceptable hill climbing ability and acceleration, whereas for much of its journey while cruising along a motorway it could easily manage with half that ( its not so long ago a transit was 70bhp). The same is true of all commercials right up to 44 tonnes.

The main problem with hybrids is weight. Iveco developed a hybrid daily a few years ago but needed to increase the weight allowance to 4250kgs to allow it to compete effectively with the 3500kgs version but this needed the EU wide regulations altering and they wont do it.

It will require massive investment - power generation, storage and distribution. Tacking the issue needs to start though - waiting until we have all of the solutions will not help reduce pollution levels - be it locally for those suffering respiratory conditions due to NOx, particles etc. or globally with the increase in atmospheric CO2 etc. At some stage, we will be fighting again over the remaining fossil fuels ... . In the meantime, perhaps we can take a leaf from Australia ... or https://www.theguardian.com/technol...-track-to-make-back-a-third-of-cost-in-a-year

 

[Burgo]

Part of the reason to have electric vehicles is to take the pollution from towns. They do that.
Nobody is daft enough to think they don't indirectly cause pollution

Have you tried asking Diane Abbott or Nigel Farage?

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[Chris]

lol, really, the public transport system is grossly underfunded and not fit for purpose, and unlikely to ever be...........

It’s very good in London to be honest.

 

[Shrimp]

Have the German scientists taken into account the inevitable demise of the individual electric car, that is the disposal at the end of its life?

 

[Yorick]

Have you tried asking Diane Abbott or Nigel Farage?

They are not in power and have no say

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[Jaws]

Save the planet, fart in a jar.........

 

[GJH]

however that was poo pooed

Unicorn poo?

Nobody is daft enough to think they don't indirectly cause pollution

Have you read threads on electric cars on Facebook recently?

 

[jongood]

Unicorn poo?

Have you read threads on electric cars on Facebook recently?

For those that dont do facebook could you clarify the second part please?

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[GJH]

For those that dont do facebook could you clarify the second part please?

There are several supporters of electric vehicles who post on Facebook who deny that electric vehicles cause any pollution at all

 

[Steve and Denise]

It’s a bit like saying wind turbines do not create a carbon footprint.

 

[MattR]

There are several supporters of electric vehicles who post on Facebook who deny that electric vehicles cause any pollution at all

Do they believe the earth is flat?

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[Yorick]

Do they believe the earth is flat?

My garden is flat. That's good enough for me

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Agreed - it would indeed be interesting to know who funded the research...

Shell/BP ?

 

[MattR]

Shell/BP ?

I've not idea but my first environmental contract was with BP; ironically, they are / were quite keen on protecting the environment and wanted to have environmentally sensitive areas clearly identified.

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