Anyone here own this...

[mikebeaches]

Nice motor spotted at Shell Bay, Studland, Dorset this morning.

Wondered if it belonged to a funster?

 

[The Old Man]

No self respecting Funster would pak up with dusty tyres!

 

[Landy Andy]

No thanks. Too much plastic.

 

[Silver-Fox]

No self respecting Funster would pak up with dusty tyres!

I was more what Funster would buy a plastic pretend land rover

 

[Wee Bold Davy]

Used to make the body parts, wouldn't buy one

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[Silver-Fox]

Used to make the body parts, wouldn't buy one

We used to do trials with three families that worked at Land Rover

Non of them would buy a Landy they said

 

[Landy Andy]

If I was changing from my proper one I’d be waiting for one of these.

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

Have had 6 Range Rovers soon to be 7 and 5 of them needed warranty work, Land Rover are spot on with their after sales and don’t try to worm there way out of claims.
None of the issues caused me to abandon the vehicle.
I would never buy one out of warranty though as the repair bills would be horrendous

Plenty of motorhome manufactures could do with looking at RR customer care though

 

[deleted79651]

No thanks. Too much plastic.

That rules you out of the running for most of the females in Hollywood then ...

Steve

 

[golly]

If I was changing from my proper one I’d be waiting for one of these.

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INEOS Grenadier Want one, want one, want one ----------- just to go to the shops you understand

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[mikebeaches]

If I was changing from my proper one I’d be waiting for one of these.

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Tasty LR Defender - yours looks cool! u

 

[Landy Andy]

INEOS Grenadier Want one, want one, want one ----------- just to go to the shops you understand

Had a test drive in it this morning. Very impressive.

 

[Landy Andy]

Tasty LR Defender - your looks cool!

Thanks. I would struggle to change vehicle.

 

[mikebeaches]

Had a test drive in it this morning. Very impressive.

What's the starting price?

 

[Landy Andy]

What's the starting price?

About 40k I think. Still in the prototype stage at the moment

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[PhilMary]

What's the starting price?

Arm and a leg.

 

[Landy Andy]

Arm and a leg.

I’m sure it will be cheaper than the new plastic defender, and with a far better design

No fluffy stuff, and all tried and tested engineering. Two engines, both BMW 6 pot petrol and diesel with an 8 speed ZF box. All washable, and prewired for extras.

 

[cyberyacht]

It's a photoshopped pic. When would there ever be an empty parking space at Shell Bay?

 

[Tombola]

I’m sure it will be cheaper than the new plastic defender, and with a far better design

No fluffy stuff, and all tried and tested engineering. Two engines, both BMW 6 pot petrol and diesel with an 8 speed ZF box. All washable, and prewired for extras.

Made by INEOS?? the british chemical guy
WOW...nice

Didnt even know they were into motors

 

[bigwood]

Having driven and owned Landrovers from Series2A / Series3 / Early90 and an early Discovery I think the Wilks brothers would think Landrover have missed the point of a cheap do anything vehicle.
To me a Landrover had to be driven and it rained in but that was part of its character. An old advert was that they could be driven in ballet shoes or size ten wellies.

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[mikebeaches]

Having driven and owned Landrovers from Series2A / Series3 / Early90 and an early Discovery I think the Wilks brothers would think Landrover have missed the point of a cheap do anything vehicle.
To me a Landrover had to be driven and it rained in but that was part of its character. An old advert was that they could be driven in ballet shoes or size ten wellies.

I had a 1949 series 1 when at college, then a 1962 series 2a and then a 1990 V8 Discovery within a month of launch - loved 'em all.

 

[Northernraider]

Its feckin ugly who's ever it is .

 

[Guigsy]

I'm not a massive fan of the original Landy. It was easy to repair... but it needed to be. Almost every photo you see of one being driven, the driver's window is open. Because otherwise it would mist up, and there's nowhere to put your arm otherwise as it's so narrow.

The new Defender. If you haven't seen one in the metal... it's huge. Much bigger than the old one and bigger than it looks in pictures. I think someone designed the shape in CAD, then realised it had to fit over the Discovery floorpan and just scaled it up 30% to make it fit. It is luxurious inside. But like every modern car, it'll be hard to repair. And they are expensive. It weighs a little bit more than the old one at 2.2t

The Grenadier... is exactly the same. It looks more like the old Lanny, but it's just as modern and hard to fix as the new Defender. And it costs about the same too. And it's also 2.6t, so it's not exactly going to skip across a muddy field.

 

[Landy Andy]

The Grenadier... is exactly the same. It looks more like the old Lanny, but it's just as modern and hard to fix as the new Defender. And it costs about the same too. And it's also 2.6t, so it's not exactly going to skip across a muddy field.

That isn‘t strictly true. its a far simpler construction than the new Defender and that is something that they are pursuing. It’s being designed for such people as the HALO trust, and able to be maintained any where it needs to go.

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The engineering is tried and tested stuff such as the BMW engine, the ZF Gearbox, and mechanical shift on the transfer box.

 

[Guigsy]

That isn‘t strictly true. its a far simpler construction than the new Defender and that is something that they are pursuing. It’s being designed for such people as the HALO trust, and able to be maintained any where it needs to go.

The HALO Trust

Our mission is to protect lives & restore livelihoods. By clearing landmines & other explosives we help countries recover after conflict. Find out more.

www.halotrust.org

The engineering is tried and tested stuff such as the BMW engine, the ZF Gearbox, and mechanical shift on the transfer box.

The Grenadier has a body on frame construction. Which is simpler to design and construct, but unless you've got a massive lift, it doesn't really help the average mechanic any more than a monocoque. And it's probably the reason it weighs 400kg more.

BMW engines are not exactly renowned for their high mile reliability or in the field serviceability. The ZF gearbox is the same 8 speed as the Defender (which is used in about half the cars on the road at the moment).

Apart from having less leather and plastic cover panels, I'm not sure where it'll be easier to maintain...?

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[Landy Andy]

The simple defender has body on frame design, which in certain circumstances makes some jobs easy but it’s not like you need to do it every service. The weight isn’t particularly an issue. Robustness is. The engines are easy sourced and used in many vehicles as is the box, hence them being used. It also has a basic suspension setup, which is one of the items that get abused with its job, and no silly toys like sonar, and loads of sensors that stop things working. I already know people who have handed back their new plastic Defenders. You cleary don’t like the Grenadier, but I would suggest you have a go in it before giving it a hard time. For me it’s nice that people are out there to produce things that aren’t just three year, then get rid plastic vehicles, that are all show and toys but no quality.

 

[Guigsy]

The simple defender has body on frame design, which in certain circumstances makes some jobs easy but it’s not like you need to do it every service. The weight isn’t particularly an issue. Robustness is. The engines are easy sourced and used in many vehicles as is the box, hence them being used. It also has a basic suspension setup, which is one of the items that get abused with its job, and no silly toys like sonar, and loads of sensors that stop things working. I already know people who have handed back their new plastic Defenders. You cleary don’t like the Grenadier, but I would suggest you have a go in it before giving it a hard time. For me it’s nice that people are out there to produce things that aren’t just three year, then get rid plastic vehicles, that are all show and toys but no quality.

I'm just not convinced that the Grenadier will be significantly different to the Defender in terms of complexity. It's still got a road going Euro6 BMW engine with the countless sensors. I bet most diagnosis is still done with a computer plugged into the OBD port. Plus INEOS aren't an automotive company with decades of experience, this is their first car. And they aren't even outsourcing the manufacturing, they are making the factory too. Will the engineering be perfect first time?

 

[IanFraser]

Arm and a leg.

I’m getting ever nearer me pine box, doubt anyone would give me that for both arms and legs never mind just one of each!

 

[DerryW]

I've got 2 LR's, a defender 90 and a Discovery Sport. Like chalk and cheese. Don't use the defender as much as I should really, sits in the garage for most of its life, apart for MOT and the very old run around the block. As for the Disco Sport just had a brand new engine complete with turbo fitted.

Getting back to the OP question. It's not mine but wish it was, I know the new defender is a bit like Marmite, personally having driven one, I like em.

 

[Landy Andy]

I'm just not convinced that the Grenadier will be significantly different to the Defender in terms of complexity. It's still got a road going Euro6 BMW engine with the countless sensors. I bet most diagnosis is still done with a computer plugged into the OBD port. Plus INEOS aren't an automotive company with decades of experience, this is their first car. And they aren't even outsourcing the manufacturing, they are making the factory too. Will the engineering be perfect first time?

Everything needs OBD port, it’s even part of the MOT now, and certainly will be, but that doesn’t make it complicated, it often assists with repairs. Yes this is their first car, but Land River, like Fiat have made millions of vehicles. That doesn’t appear to make them reliable. As said I know people who have paid £70 odd thousand for a new Defender, and the dealer has had it longer than they have, and am reading on hear of new motorhomes not managing more than 16miles before requiring new engines, and even that takes weeks to diagnose. The fact they are making it themselves, in their own factory gives me more confidence that it will be good, rather than getting someone to just assemble it to a price.

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