Wing wont start (1 Viewer)

[bobnick]

But is there an engine under there somewhere?

Yes a itsy bitsy teeny weeny 750 twin. The baby brother to the Africa Twin.

 

[Odd job]

Sorry If I am wrong or missing something on The Wing not starting, but even if the fuel pump was kaputt, why did the engine not turn over on the starter?
If the engine turned over on the key, and then did not start, then one might look at fuel starvation or ignition electrics etc
How could they possibly know it was the fuel pump, without the engine not turning over trying to fire up?
LES

Modern electronics are a nightmare to diagnose. An example, on older boilers if the fan didn't run it was easy, has it got power? yes then it's a faulty fan.....no power then it's a PCB fault. Move on a bit in time and now if a fan is faulty the PCB will know and won't send it any power. After this change all diagnostic procedures had to change. It's far more complicated than it was.

 

[mofurt]

Yes. I can well believe that the ECU tries to turn on the fuel pump to prime the system, and when the pump fails to run the ECU won't let you crank it as that would be pointless and drain the battery. Is that the case on this bike though? Dunno. But a dealer should have diagnostics where the computer will tell you why it is refusing to go. Perhaps it was pointing to the fuel pump, but the problem is actually in the loom between the ECU and pump. Really could be anything.

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[Howard B]

This is the other plastic bike, bit less of it than on your Centauro.
Never had a Guzzi. Had a tour of the factory a good few years ago.
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Quite like the look of the X-Adv, maybe something ill look at when i decide to diwnsize.

 

[bobnick]

Quite like the look of the X-Adv, maybe something ill look at when i decide to diwnsize.

Honestly i was so surprised when i rode it.
Got plenty of go in it for me at my age (i still like to play and chuck it about)
I can sit on it and ride in one go longer than on the Wing.
I have done a bit of green laneing
It's doing 75.5 mpg
Got 4 modes in the DCT
It's confused all the punters as they are struggling to define what it is, a scoot or a bike. I've decided it's deffo a bike.
It ticks a lot of boxes.
I love it so much i don't need the Wing.................even when it's running
Might get a retro modern to go along side it. Fancy a CB 1100 like i had before.

 

[Odd job]

Yes. I can well believe that the ECU tries to turn on the fuel pump to prime the system, and when the pump fails to run the ECU won't let you crank it as that would be pointless and drain the battery. Is that the case on this bike though? Dunno. But a dealer should have diagnostics where the computer will tell you why it is refusing to go. Perhaps it was pointing to the fuel pump, but the problem is actually in the loom between the ECU and pump. Really could be anything.

Certainly with boilers and I expect it's the same with most stuff, diagnosing is centered on questioning the PCB, however the answer will normally only be able to point in a direction of a fault, rarely can it identify a component fault. Another example from a boiler, modern boilers have air flow sensing and if faulty the pcb will be able to tell you that there is a problem with air flow but we then have to find out 1) is there a blockage 2) is the fan running at the correct speed 3) is the sensor faulty 4) is the PCB faulty 5) is it a wiring fault. Add to that every component is expensive and the customer will not pay if we order the wrong one, it's not easy from whichever side of the counter you are on.
It was much easier in the old days and I'm glad I'm out of it now

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[Gingernuts]

Honestly i was so surprised when i rode it.
Got plenty of go in it for me at my age (i still like to play and chuck it about)
I can sit on it and ride in one go longer than on the Wing.
I have done a bit of green laneing
It's doing 75.5 mpg
Got 4 modes in the DCT
It's confused all the punters as they are struggling to define what it is, a scoot or a bike. I've decided it's deffo a bike.
It ticks a lot of boxes.
I love it so much i don't need the Wing.................even when it's running
Might get a retro modern to go along side it. Fancy a CB 1100 like i had before.

Hi Bobnick, if you are looking for a goldwing guru you could call Dave Partridge at AwingAway in Telford.
If he can’t fix it no-one can!!!!!
Alex W (goldwing rider)

 

[bobnick]

Hi Bobnick, if you are looking for a goldwing guru you could call Dave Partridge at AwingAway in Telford.
If he can’t fix it no-one can!!!!!
Alex W (goldwing rider)

Thanks for that.
I am commited at the mo as the bike is with Bill Smiths.
The name has gone in my little blue book.

 

[Winger]

Thanks for that.
I am commited at the mo as the bike is with Bill Smiths.
The name has gone in my little blue book.

Bob and if you come to Telford as previously discussed I have overnight parking with all facilities or an en suite bedroom + of course the use of the garden bar

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[bobnick]

Bob and if you come to Telford as previously discussed I have overnight parking with all facilities or an en suite bedroom + of course the use of the garden bar

Hope the room has a nice radiator in it to keep me warm
A very gracious offer, thank you.

 

[Yorick]

Bob and if you come to Telford as previously discussed I have overnight parking with all facilities or an en suite bedroom + of course the use of the garden bar

If I pretend to have a Wing, can I come too?

 

[Gingernuts]

If I pretend to have a

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[Gingernuts]

Bob and if you come to Telford as previously discussed I have overnight parking with all facilities or an en suite bedroom + of course the use of the garden bar

Wot a very nice man

 

[bobnick]

If I pretend to have a Wing, can I come too?

You are NOT sleeping with me

 

[bobnick]

Wot a very nice man

The only funster i have met and chatted to. And yes he is a nice chap in a nice way.

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[Winger]

Hope the room has a nice radiator in it to keep me warm
A very gracious offer, thank you.

My progress to date, going to bury the pipes that the builder in the 80’s didn’t seem to think was a good idea. I have another radiator hung just need stepson to re plumb and then patch the wall. Ho wouldn’t do it in the winter in case he encountered problems

Yorick of course you can bearing in mind you would then be indebted to me and I may have to call with you on my next trip to Spain

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

If I pretend to have a Wing, can I come too?

I may be acquiring a spares or repair one soon that needs a bit of work but will fix it and sell on at a big profit, let me know if you are interested

 

[Winger]

Sold mine and bought a motorhome. No regrets

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[bobnick]

I may be acquiring a spares or repair one soon that needs a bit of work but will fix it and sell on at a big profit, let me know if you are interested

Your not going to make much after giving me £20k for it thank you

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Yes a itsy bitsy teeny weeny 750 twin. The baby brother to the Africa Twin.

Solid lump, well under strained.
Mike

 

[bobnick]

I don't believe what i have just heard on a telephone call from Bill Smiths Honda.
"It's the kill switch Bob."
Well i was speechless. How long have they had the bike. I know nowt but i would have started there.
Unbelievable.
Ordered a new one that will be coming from Belgium, £545. Pay up front it will be here on Friday.
Spanner monkey don't work Fri Sat Sun And Mon (good job eh) so Tuesday it's his first job to put it back together.

I'm going for a lay down.

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[Yorick]

£545 for a kill switch?

Gold plated?

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

Probably a few quids worth of bits in it!

 

[bigtwin]

Wow!

Ian

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[ChrisL]

I don't believe what i have just heard on a telephone call from Bill Smiths Honda.
"It's the kill switch Bob."
Well i was speechless. How long have they had the bike. I know nowt but i would have started there.
Unbelievable.
Ordered a new one that will be coming from Belgium, £545. Pay up front it will be here on Friday.
Spanner monkey don't work Fri Sat Sun And Mon (good job eh) so Tuesday it's his first job to put it back together.

I'm going for a lay down.

Do you ever use the kill switch Bob? If not then it's likely got some oxidisation around the contacts, a good squirt of contact cleaner and switching it on and off a few times might get it working again.
I know one thing I doubt if i'd ever use Bill Smith for any work on a bike of mine.

 

[BikerGraham]

Their getting as useless as car dealers

Had an issue with a triumph a number of years ago. Always overheating. Two dealers tried to fix it over 3 years and couldn’t.

Took it to a local backstreet bikers garage. “If Darren can’t fix it then no one can” I was told by mates.

He fixed it within an hour.

Now only he is allowed anywhere near my bikes.

Dealers …….

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

New bike in 2001, took it to the local Yamaha dealer for its first service.
Picked it up and driving home and the chain was slapping on the swinging arm!! Rang them and they said ok bring it back
Don’t think so said I you send someone out to do I’m not wasting my time and petrol again
Little while later a mechanic turned up and adjusted it in the garage……

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[bobnick]

Do you ever use the kill switch Bob? If not then it's likely got some oxidisation around the contacts, a good squirt of contact cleaner and switching it on and off a few times might get it working again.
I know one thing I doubt if i'd ever use Bill Smith for any work on a bike of mine.

Never ever used it on any of my bikes other than by accident.
As for switching it on and off a few times i did that scores of times when the issue first manifested itself.

 

[Littlewheels]

There you go.

 

[bobnick]

There you go.

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Ah but do they come from Belgium

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