Will Spain ban us next??? (1 Viewer)

[Tombola]

Yeah I think thats the point, we all knew more people were going to be contracting it, so was soemwhat expected, but being protected by the vaccine keeps more folk walking around.

I can see why some countries still may stop us going in if there own vaccine programme isnt up to speed, then they will be badly affected.

 

[PJGWiltshire]

Good question, but there's no direct answer at coronavirus.data.gov.uk. However, you can more-or-less work it out given the ONS figures here. The ONS claims that

• If you just look at Delta, and assume 50/50 Pfizer/Astra, then double vaccination reduces the risk of testing positive by about 67.5%. If the unknown risk of testing positive is r, then the double-vaccinated therefore have a risk of 0.325r, while the rest of us have a risk of r
• The current postive test rate is 454.5 cases per 100K people. This is a rolling 7-day number, taking into account today's figure of 52000 cases
• Assume a population of 100K people, and that 80% of the population is double-vaccinated, so 20% is not double vaccinated

To get a rate of 454.5 we have:

(0.8 * 100K * 0.325r) + (0.2 * 100K * 1r) = 454.5

So r is 454.5/46000 = 0.00988. So, out of those 454.5 people, about 257 were double-vaccinated, and 198 weren't. In other words, about 57% of people who randomly test positive are actually double jabbed. I think. Corrections welcome.

This sounds bad, but only because most people have been double-vaccinated, and there aren't many of the others left.

Besides, no-one really cares about positive tests - what matters are hopitalisations and deaths. For deaths, the important figure is for 'breakthrough deaths' - people who test positive 14 or more days after a second jab, and subsequently die of Covid. These people have a median age of 84, and form only about 0.5% - 1.2% of all Covid deaths, depending on gender/etc. In short, you're pretty unlikely to die of Covid if you've had 2 jabs and not tested positive within 14 days of the second.

All sounds simple. My father 87 double jabbed, second in January 2021. Caught Covid August passed 23rd August. So is the jab failing after 6 month, It appears so. Keep safe everyone get jabbed and keep on living life to the full (With masks on the bus and shops)

 

[barsteward]

If you test positive they just chuck you overboard

nahh if you jump in an an inflatable boat and overload it with with all your mates you'll be taken on board a luxury vessel and dropped of at your intended destination. that goes without saying though that you have thrown away your passport and practise speaking in the style of Fernando Alonso.

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[Toady]

Left UK in September and spent some time in France and now in Spain.

France really seem to have got their act together. You need a Covid pass to enter most places and a mask.

Spain is a bit more relaxed but a mask seems to be the norm.

Not looking forward to returning to Pembrokeshire where Covid cases have shot through the roof.

 

[Chris]

Not looking forward to returning to Pembrokeshire where Covid cases have shot through the roof.

I saw that - it looks horrendous.

 

[Gellyneck]

My concern is we travel down to Spain and they tell us to get out.

Just like we did a month or so ago!

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[Clipgate]

What faith people have in a Jab!
Common sense should prevail, keep away from Humans at all costs that's why I use a motorhome always have.
However with that very useful inflation due to money printing coming through and flue season around the corner, could be a great deal of space to be had, especially with 50hour waits in AE. New developments few new hospitals and staff demotivated and under valued, health passes value could be just a flickering shadow on the wall!

 

[Minxy]

Its my fault ... yes I admit it, I have caused this ... simply because we dared to plan to be away this winter and as with loads of things at present this is another that looks like it has gone up the creek!

Signed ... totally p*ssed off from E Yorkshire!

 

[Gaston aires]

I have just returned from Spain yesterday. They are much stricter than us and wearing masks is mandatory in supermarkets etc.
We have taken a much too lassez faire attitude in covid matters and are now paying the price. The figures show that older people take it much more seriously than the young.
Bans will ensue and I don’t blame countries for banning us.
Phil

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[haganap]

Reading through this and many other threads on the subject.

What's for sure is that coronavirus and how we react to it is as divisive as a little vote we had 5 years back.

People, refusing to engage with the unvaccinated, people demanding that even those that are scared half to death are physically removed from the work place or living life.

People questioning why and who and where people should wear a mask..

I'm currently in Portugal, and it's lovely and relaxed. Many people choosing to wear masks and many not.
The headline to this thread is misleading, it seems to imply this is Morrocos response to the UK. It isn't, its too other countries as well.
They have every right to do so, as do we if we choose to and we have done.

I think that suavecarve has nailed it with the use of statistics, its what we should be going with.

My opinion matters not, what I do know is there's a massive division within our country right now, even some fanatical views. Its really sad.

 

[gerrym11]

That happened to us in 2020 but it was the camps that were closed not just the Brits chucked out. If you’ve been double stabbed and are covid free why would they chuck you out?

Because you can still catch Covid and die. You can also give Covid to others and they could die.

 

[glenn2926]

Because you can still catch Covid and die. You can also give Covid to others and they could die.

That is going to be the case for the rest of eternity.
Some want to live their lives. Others are happy to just exist. Some want to hide away. Others want to have rules imposed on them.
We’re all different.
You want to socially distance? Wear a mask? Stay at home? Go for it. I don’t care what you want to do. When you start dictating what I or others do though, that’s a different story.

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[gerrym11]

That is going to be the case for the rest of eternity.
Some want to live their lives. Others are happy to just exist. Some want to hide away. Others want to have rules imposed on them.
We’re all different.
You want to socially distance? Wear a mask? Stay at home? Go for it. I don’t care what you want to do. When you start dictating what I or others do though, that’s a different story.

I didn't say I wanted to dictate what you or others do, I merely answered your question for you, my apologies if you did not like the answer.

Thank you for not caring about whatever my thoughts might be.

 

[glenn2926]

I didn't say I wanted to dictate what you or others do, I merely answered your question for you, my apologies if you did not like the answer.

Thank you for not caring about whatever my thoughts might be.

Sorry, we’re getting at crossed purposes here. I’m just pointing out that just because we can still catch Covid and this will always be the case forever. Then constantly closing things, places, putting restrictions on people etc are not and will never get rid of it.

 

[DBK]

We sail on 28th Dec so but someone did say we test more than anyone else so find cases whereas other countries might have cases but don’t know?

Its not the total number of recorded cases which matters but the estimate of what proportion of the population has the virus. The more tests carried out the more accurate this figure will be but it can still be estimated from a smaller number of tests.

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[PhilandMena]

LOL Too many doubting Thomas's on here ! Be positive and trust Boris! The UK has a vaccination record that is the envy of the world and our hospitalisation and death rate confirm its effective at protecting the population. It is what it is ! chin up! stiff upper lip out! Get on parade !

 

[PhilandMena]

Its not the total number of recorded cases which matters but the estimate of what proportion of the population has the virus. The more tests carried out the more accurate this figure will be but it can still be estimated from a smaller number of tests.

Absolutely, were testing so much more than any other European country so bound to find a higher percentage of positive cases.

Data on testing for COVID-19 by week and country

Data in multiple file formats with information about testing volume for COVID-19, sorted by week and country, and updated on a weekly basis.

www.ecdc.europa.eu

 

[Badknee]

The campsites with the appropriate license stayed open and all you needed was your own sanitary facilities and no one was chucked out .

Well obviously ours didn’t. I was there and know what happened.

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[Badknee]

I’m on the train next Friday then straight down to Spain… that’s if my new passport gets here…

Good luck Garry Just smiffy I had a flyer with mine, five working days and a nice new shiny blue one turned up.

 

[glenn2926]

Absolutely, were testing so much more than any other European country so bound to find a higher percentage of positive cases.

Data on testing for COVID-19 by week and country

Data in multiple file formats with information about testing volume for COVID-19, sorted by week and country, and updated on a weekly basis.

www.ecdc.europa.eu

Well certainly a higher number if not a percentage. We do have a rising number but very, very few are going to hospital. The vaccines must be working .

 

[Jenka]

Well obviously ours didn’t. I was there and know what happened.

I was there on two lockdowns and know what happened. Have a great weekend

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[georgio]

We have not stopped wearing masks in shops and we avoid crowded places. We bought another 60 a couple of weeks back which it might now sem a very good buy. We are booked in for our booster next friday as well whch i am very pleased about

 

[Just smiffy]

Good luck Garry Just smiffy I had a flyer with mine, five working days and a nice new shiny blue one turned up.

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Nearly 4 weeks on mine now….

 

[Gaston aires]

Good luck Garry Just smiffy I had a flyer with mine, five working days and a nice new shiny blue one turned up.

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Made by the French I believe ?

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[gus-lopez]

Be positive and trust Boris!

The UK has a vaccination record that is the envy of the world

& now surpassed by many other countries.

and our hospitalisation and death rate confirm its effective

Apart from being far higher

 

[Badknee]

Made by the French I believe ?

Yes I believe so

 

[Badknee]

I was there on two lockdowns and know what happened. Have a great weekend

Bully for you.

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[MitchandJenny]

Well certainly a higher number if not a percentage. We do have a rising number but very, very few are going to hospital. The vaccines must be working .

Mitch

 

[pagey]

i think that too many people are being tested we should test less then our figures will be better than the eu sorted

 

[nicholsong]

Its my fault ... yes I admit it, I have caused this ... simply because we dared to plan to be away this winter and as with loads of things at present this is another that looks like it has gone up the creek!

Signed ... totally p*ssed off from E Yorkshire!

You are not alone Mel...

...I would be totally pissed off if I could not escape from Kingston-upon-Hull for winter(or any other time)

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