Stupid question

[Proper Paulie]

Hi All
I know that the answer is NO!
But i cannot find anything to confirm it.
Can I put a passenger in a towed car (On an A frame) on a journey?
The car is not broken down but simply being towed to a destination
Paul

 

[funflair]

welcome, great introduction.

Martin

 

[Podney]

Welcome.
Have you tried sitting them on the roof?

 

[Lenny HB]

Normally I would say there is no such thing as a stupid question, you just proved me wrong.

Passengers aren't allowed in towed vehicles, there is one exception a Bailey employee in a Bailey caravan in Bristol, police gave them permission for test purposes.

 

[funflair]

So you got me searching for the rules as I have nothing better to do, but I don't think I am going to find it in black and white as A frame rules are ambiguous enough to start with BUT it is illegal to travel in a caravan being towed if that helps.

You might try searching "is it legal to travel in a 4 wheel trailer"

Martin

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[Richard n Ann]

I thought we may have gained an extra 2 travel seats when we had the scooter on the back... After all, no seat belt required on bikes ??

 

[addoaddo]

I do not think there is a specific rule against it but your are not allowed to travel in any car van or trailer that is not designed to carry passengers.

A woman got injured on the way to a wedding in a tractor trailer, the driver was done for using an unsuitable trailer and not for the fact that she was in a trailer

 

[The Wino]

I suspect maybe there are no stupid questions as the replies might have stopped you doing it but it would definitely be a stupid thing to do even if it were legal the towed car would have no control and if it did come loose no brakes. I have spent many a happy hour being towed in a glider behind power aircraft would I do it with no means of release on a 10ft rope no way Hose !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ChrisL]

That's a very interesting question actually, I'm just thinking of bendy buses, is the back half a trailer?

 

[glenn2926]

That's a very interesting question actually, I'm just thinking of bendy buses, is the back half a trailer?

I think in bendy buses the engine is in the back half. Therefore it’s not technically a trailer. It’s pushing the bit in front.

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[Lenny HB]

That's a very interesting question actually, I'm just thinking of bendy buses, is the back half a trailer?

It's not hanging on by just a 50mm ball. Buses come under separate regulations, e.g. seat belts not required.

 

[Jim]

Every car I've ever towed has had a driver in it! As long as the passenger is at the wheel and has the correct licence to drive it then.... maybe

 

[mpdcymru]

The Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986 defines an “articulated bus” as “a bus so constructed that—
(a) it can be divided into two parts, both of which are vehicles and one of which is a motor vehicle, but cannot be so divided without the use of facilities normally available only at a workshop; and
(b) passengers carried by it can at all times pass from either part to the other.”

Note paragraph "b" - in a towed car situation, the passengers cannot pass between either part of tha vehicles involved. As Lenny says, buses are treated rather differently in the legislation

 

[HelenMalc2019]

That's a very interesting question actually, I'm just thinking of bendy buses, is the back half a trailer?

I am wondering about the Showmans Guild, they are legally allowed to tow 2 trailers, one of which is normally a "Living Van." I remember the old 2 axle drawbar caravans going past with the chimney smoking and grubby faces pressed against the windows.

 

[Zigisla]

According to this article, the "A frame" and car become a trailer. As long as the trailer conforms to Road Vehicles (contruction & use) regs I cannot see why not.

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[Geo]

The police let you sit in your car when its being towed
seen it used on the A1

 

[charliesgrandad]

My only thought is WHY ?

 

[TheBig1]

Having been towed in a broken down vehicle many times over the years, I would suggest "why would you want to?"

 

[ChrisL]

My only thought is WHY ?

Because it can get through the traffic quicker in order to recover the broken down car.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

That's a very interesting question actually, I'm just thinking of bendy buses, is the back half a trailer?

No

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[Cheshirecat57]

So you got me searching for the rules as I have nothing better to do, but I don't think I am going to find it in black and white as A frame rules are ambiguous enough to start with BUT it is illegal to travel in a caravan being towed if that helps.

You might try searching "is it legal to travel in a 4 wheel trailer"

Martin

I cant understand why “a frame rules are ambiguous”

 

[nicholsong]

Because it can get through the traffic quicker in order to recover the broken down car.

Can it tow a 4-5t MH?

 

[charliesgrandad]

Because it can get through the traffic quicker in order to recover the broken down car.

Sorry you misunderstood me I was not referring to motorcycle recovery I was trying to understand why the OP wanted to know

 

[ChrisL]

Sorry you misunderstood me I was not referring to motorcycle recovery I was trying to understand why the OP wanted to know

Sorry my mistake.

 

[ChrisL]

Can it tow a 4-5t MH?

I believe the towing rig is only good for 2.5 tonnes but the goldwing engine is good for a lot more than that, It's a flat 6 1800 cc I believe it's good for around 125 Bhp and 170 Nm torque (claimed).

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[movan]

Every car I've ever towed has had a driver in it! As long as the passenger is at the wheel and has the correct licence to drive it then.... maybe

..... but on an A Frame, Jim?

 

[Jim]

..... but on an A Frame, Jim?

An A-frame is a lot stronger than ropes I've towed with

 

[Silver-Fox]

An A-frame is a lot stronger than ropes I've towed with

Especially when the person being towed hasn’t got a Scooby what to do ?

 

[ambulancekidd]

 

[Northernraider]

I've towed with a solid bar....required a driver to steer same with a rope

I can't Honestly see why an a frame would be any different.

And given the fact the old bill in the UK generally haven't a clue about a frames I can't see you being stopped and asked either.

Whoever was in it would have to keep their hands away from the steering wheel though or they could lose a finger or two

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