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I didn't say aim for it. I was merely pointing out the perimeters within which it operates. Goodness I have been on enough driving courses to know the speed limit isn't a target. I think that's what they said :unsure:
Wouldn't it be easier just to stick within the speed limit as shown by your speedo. No chance of actually speeding then.
 
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Wouldn't it be easier just to stick within the speed limit as shown by your speedo. No chance of actually speeding then.
That doesn’t always work when you have a queue of Audi and BMW drivers so desperate to overtake that you regular see very close near misses and you as the MH driver have slow down even more. 😱
 

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That doesn’t always work when you have a queue of Audi and BMW drivers so desperate to overtake that you regular see very close near misses and you as the MH driver have slow down even more. 😱

I am starting to get a phobia. It isn't just Audi and BMW drivers who exceed speed limits.

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Just got back from a three-day break at Blackmore C&CC Site.....to find an ‘intention to prosecute’ notice in my post for the alleged offence of driving at 68mph on the A417 Brockworth by-pass dual carriageway near the A46 Gloucester junction:mad:. The date/time is correct (I was on my way to Blackmore), so I guess that I’m bang-to-rights unless I can prove that my unladen weight is less than 3.05 tonnes........
Bu##er!!!:(
 
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Just got back from a three-day break at Blackmore C&CC Site.....to find an ‘intention to prosecute’ notice in my post for the alleged offence of driving at 68mph on the A417 Brockworth by-pass dual carriageway near the A46 Gloucester junction:mad:. The date/time is correct (I was on my way to Blackmore), so I guess that I’m bang-to-rights unless I can prove that my unladen weight is less than 3.05 tonnes........
Bu##er!!!:(
Take it to a weighbridge and get a ticket (after taking all possible items out /empty tanks).
 
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Just got back from a three-day break at Blackmore C&CC Site.....to find an ‘intention to prosecute’ notice in my post for the alleged offence of driving at 68mph on the A417 Brockworth by-pass dual carriageway near the A46 Gloucester junction:mad:. The date/time is correct (I was on my way to Blackmore), so I guess that I’m bang-to-rights unless I can prove that my unladen weight is less than 3.05 tonnes........
Bu##er!!!:(

Is the unladen weight entered on your V5 as all we have on ours is the "Mass in service" at 1690Kg, no unladen weight.

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Just got back from a three-day break at Blackmore C&CC Site.....to find an ‘intention to prosecute’ notice in my post for the alleged offence of driving at 68mph on the A417 Brockworth by-pass dual carriageway near the A46 Gloucester junction:mad:. The date/time is correct (I was on my way to Blackmore), so I guess that I’m bang-to-rights unless I can prove that my unladen weight is less than 3.05 tonnes........
Bu##er!!!:(
hi, ive had a quick look at the spec of an eldis majestic 155 and its showing the mass in running order as 2924kg... as the mass in running order has items included that the definition of unladen weight does not include its safe to say your unladen weight is below 3050 kg..
id be inclined to reply to your letter pointing out that you are a motorhome and you were abiding by the speed limit that relates to your vehicle....thats assuming that section of carriageway had no other speed restriction in force...
Andy
 
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As far as I understand the speed limit in UK is based on the unladen weight, that being the base weight of the van (it's on the V5). I uprated my Ducato Pvc to 4500kg but it's base weight is less than 3000kg so car speed limits apply in UK. Not so in the rest of Europe it seems. They base speed limit on maximum weight which for me is 4500kg. That said, would they know unless they check the plate (if you fit a new one after uprating, just saying). The French and Italian motorway toll booths certainly don't seem to know the difference when calculating your toll charges.
 

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so I guess that I’m bang-to-rights unless I can prove that my unladen weight is less than 3.05 tonnes........
Bu##er!!!:(
I just typed in your MH model (Eldiss Majestic 155), into Google, and up came this.................


AUTOQUEST SPECIFICATION
TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION
Weights and Dimensions115155*175185*194*196
Base VehiclePeugeot Euro 6.2 chassisPeugeot Euro 6.2 chassisPeugeot Euro 6.2 chassisPeugeot Euro 6.2 chassisPeugeot Euro 6.2 chassisPeugeot Euro 6.2 chassis
No. of Berths / No of Seat belts2 / 24 / 42 / 24 / 44 / 46 / 6
Exterior Length5700mm / 18’8”7020mm / 23’0”7020mm / 23’0”7338mm / 24’1”7338mm / 24’1”7338mm / 24’1”
Overall width including wing mirrors2690mm / 8’10”2690mm / 8’10”2690mm / 8’10”2690mm / 8’10”2690mm / 8’10”2690mm / 8’10”
Overall Body Width2200mm / 7’2”2200mm / 7’2”2200mm / 7’2”2200mm / 7’2”2200mm / 7’2”2200mm / 7’2”
Overall Height inc Aerial2820mm / 9’3”2820mm / 9’3”2820mm / 9’3”2820mm / 9’3”2820mm / 9’3”2820mm / 9’3”
Maximum Headroom2030mm / 6’8”2030mm / 6’8”2030mm / 6’8”2030mm / 6’8”2030mm / 6’8”2030mm / 6’8”
Interior Width2074mm / 6’10”2074mm / 6’10”2074mm / 6’10”2074mm / 6’10”2074mm / 6’10”2074mm / 6’10”
Tyre Size215/70 R15 CP215/70 R15 CP215/70 R15 CP215/70 R15 CP215/70 R15 CP215/70 R15 CP
Tyre Pressure Kpa / Psi Front494 / 72494 / 72494 / 72494 / 72494 / 72494 / 72
Tyre Pressure Kpa / Psi Rear543 / 79543 / 79543 / 79543 / 79543 / 79543 / 79
Maximum Front Axle Weight1750kgs / 34.38cwt1850kgs / 36.33cwt1850kgs / 36.33cwt1850kgs / 36.33cwt1850kgs / 36.33cwt1850kgs / 36.33cwt
Maximum Rear Axle Weight1900kgs / 37.32cwt2000kgs / 39.28cwt2000kgs / 39.28cwt2000kgs / 39.28cwt2000kgs / 39.28cwt2000kgs / 39.28cwt
Maximum Towing limit2000kgs / 39.37cwt2000kgs / 39.37cwt2000kgs / 39.37cwt2000kgs / 39.37cwt2000kgs / 39.37cwt2000kgs / 39.37cwt
Mass In Running Order (MIRO)2547kgs / 50.14cwt2857kgs / 56.24cwt2790kgs / 54.92cwt2909kgs / 57.26cwt2914kgs / 57.36cwt2932kgs / 57.71cwt
Maximum User Payload753kgs / 14.82cwt643kgs / 12.66cwt710kgs / 13.98cwt591kgs / 11.63cwt586kgs / 11.53cwt568kgs / 11.18cwt
M.T.P.L.M.3300kgs / 64.96cwt3500kgs / 68.89cwt3500kgs / 68.89cwt3500kgs / 68.89cwt3500kgs / 68.89cwt3500kgs / 68.89cwt

Assuming that your payload is not greater than 643Kgs, I would be challenging that speed ticket, ie, that your unladen weight is 3050Kgs......................or less, and possibly 2857Kgs even. ;)

Good luck. (y)

Cheers,

Jock. :)

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You have the 10% plus 2 miles per hour buffer so if the limit is 60, doing 65 should be within this buffer
Yes but that is not law. The speed limit is law. Police forces are sometimes flexible in allowing a margin but sometimes are not. A haulier based in Lincs says the police are ok with 10% but cross the border to Norfolk and apparently, they allow no leeway at all. (Norfolk n chance). I was done several years ago doing 33 in a 30....
 
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Thanks for all the replies/comments, Fellow Funsters! (y)
I’m checking various websites (DVLA, etc.) to get more information, and will contact the Camera Enforcement Unit on Monday to see why this notice has been issued, and how I go about challenging it. I suspect the answer will be that it is just to identify the driver so that a summons may be issued to that person, and that any ‘challenge’ will be addressed then.....:unsure:
Watch this space!
 
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There's a lot of mention of tolerance on speed limits but I thought one of the reasons for this was because the speed camera could have an error of 2mph so if you your true speed is 30 then the camera may record it as 32 and likewise if your true speed is 33 then it may be recorded at 35 mph.
 
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As the Government info, I posted originally proves, If you can prove your UNLADEN mass is 3050kg or below. then the enforcement is in error.

I have not used that particular road for some years so unsure, but if NO centre barrier, (only, say, a grass median) I believe it is a 60mph restricted road.

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As the Government info, I posted originally proves, If you can prove your UNLADEN mass is 3050kg or below. then the enforcement is in error.

I have not used that particular road for some years so unsure, but if NO centre barrier, (only, say, a grass median) I believe it is a 60mph restricted road.
P.S. Just had a "google". it would appear that most of it at least has Armco. which suggests it is a 70 MPH legal road.
 
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As the Government info, I posted originally proves, If you can prove your UNLADEN mass is 3050kg or below. then the enforcement is in error.

I have not used that particular road for some years so unsure, but if NO centre barrier, (only, say, a grass median) I believe it is a 60mph restricted road.
I thought that an Armco type barrier was not essential to the definition of a dual carriageway. I understood that it required a separation of the 2 carriageways so that the cars passing in opposite directions were not immediately adjacent to each other.

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Crazy situation with so many anomalies, a VW Transport van is subject to the higher speed limits as it was developed from the Caravell that was classed as a car.

About 3 years ago Carthago started listing both the unladen weight & MIRO.
 
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You are living in the past they don't use that criteria anymore. 32 is enough to get you a ticket in a 30 these days.
When they were working on the M3 and had a 50 limit I read that the averaging cameras were set to 52.

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Through Freedom of Information requests, 2019.

Speed Camera Thresholds By Police Forces

10% + 2mph 10% + 3mph Refused to reveal
Avon and Somerset Lancashire Bedfordshire
Cheshire Metropolitan Police / Tfl Cambridgeshire
Cleveland Greater Manchester
Derbyshire Hertfordshire
Devon and Cornwall Staffordshire
Durham West Midlands
Gwent Essex
Hampshire Nottinghamshire
Merseyside Scotland
Norfolk
North Wales
Northumbria
Police Service of Northern Ireland
South Wales
South Yorkshire
Suffolk
Thames Valley
Warwickshire
West Mercia
West Yorkshire
- See more at: https://www.rivervaleleasing.co.uk/blog/posts/uk-speed-limits-tolerance-2019#sthash.NNAS5je0.dpuf
 

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When they were working on the M3 and had a 50 limit I read that the averaging cameras were set to 52.
I used to know a traffic Sargent, the first speed camera in Shoreham by Sea was set to 50 (30 limit) they caught hundreds. Same camera 10 years ago BIL visiting us got a ticket for 34.
 

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Crazy situation with so many anomalies, a VW Transport van is subject to the higher speed limits as it was developed from the Caravell that was classed as a car.

About 3 years ago Carthago started listing both the unladen weight & MIRO.
The caravelle was developed from the panel van
VW transporters can be subject to commercial and car speed limits depending on type, passenger carrying vw Van's or dual purpose (or cdv's) have their own unladen weight rules that determines speed limits
A T5 panel van is a commercial and can be done for doing 70mph on a dual
carraigeway
Many of the T4/5/6 owners have been prosecuted.........the T2/3 owners dream of getting to 70mph 👍

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Through Freedom of Information requests, 2019.

Speed Camera Thresholds By Police Forces

10% + 2mph10% + 3mphRefused to reveal
Avon and SomersetLancashireBedfordshire
CheshireMetropolitan Police / TflCambridgeshire
ClevelandGreater Manchester
DerbyshireHertfordshire
Devon and CornwallStaffordshire
DurhamWest Midlands
GwentEssex
HampshireNottinghamshire
MerseysideScotland
Norfolk
North Wales
Northumbria
Police Service of Northern Ireland
South Wales
South Yorkshire
Suffolk
Thames Valley
Warwickshire
West Mercia
West Yorkshire
- See more at: https://www.rivervaleleasing.co.uk/blog/posts/uk-speed-limits-tolerance-2019#sthash.NNAS5je0.dpuf
It is only a guide, if a new traffic officer gets appointed and wants to nick every one 1mph over the limit he can.

What is is it with drivers and speed limits, a speed limit is a maximum you should keep below not a target figure to aim for and get away exceeding.
 
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It is only a guide, if a new traffic officer gets appointed and wants to nick every one 1mph over the limit he can.

What is is it with drivers and speed limits, a speed limit is a maximum you should keep below not a target figure to aim for and get away exceeding.
I wasn't suggesting that the speed limit is a target, just pointing out factual information from freedom of information request as there seem to be different opinions on what tolerance apply.

In total, 45 police forces contacted, 33 responded, with the vast majority confirming that cameras would only be activated if drivers went over the speed limit by 10% plus 2mph - as recommended by the Association of Chief Police Officers.
 

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I wasn't suggesting that the speed limit is a target, just pointing out factual information from freedom of information request as there seem to be different opinions on what tolerance apply.

In total, 45 police forces contacted, 33 responded, with the vast majority confirming that cameras would only be activated if drivers went over the speed limit by 10% plus 2mph - as recommended by the Association of Chief Police Officers.
I wasn't arguing with you just pointing out they don't have to stick to the guidelines.

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