Proposed European law banning repair of vehicles over 15 years old

[busby]

We called out the AA today for our car and whilst chatting he told us that the EU is planning to ban repairs (significant) on vehicles over 15 years old. Just looked it up and it seems to be true. Anyone heard about this and what will it mean for people like us whose vans are over 15 years old?

EU plans to restrict repairs on older vehicles…

Robin Roberts (WheelsWithinWales) writes… With the internal combustion engine to be consigned to history in the not-too-distant future, recent information has emerged regarding the European U…

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Are we now ruled by E.U.? thought we had a bit of ballot..BUSBY.

 

[97243]

That would take 60% of the cars here in France off the road at a stroke.

Absolute bollaux !

 

[Richard n Ann]

We're in the EU all but name, so if it does happen I'm sure they'll happily make it apply to us.

 

[Northernraider]

My car is 52 years old and my motorhome is 30 years old and the only electronic thing on them is the radio.
Both can be fixed with spanners and screwdrivers so I'm sure I can keep them going until it's me that can't be fixed

My car is 52 years old and my motorhome is 30 years old and the only electronic thing on them is the radio.
Both can be fixed with spanners and screwdrivers so I'm sure I can keep them going until it's me that can't be fixed

That cars beautiful...post up some more pics of it . A few of the motorhome would be good too . I for one am a fan of the older stuff

 

[Beltie]

I think we can safely file this under 'clickbait'!

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[pappajohn]

Are we now ruled by E.U.? thought we had a bit of ballot..BUSBY.

We did, but those in power still kiss the EU arse if it suits.

 

[Brains]

This ruling seems to mostly be about 'cut & shut' types of repairs.
The EU (quite rightly) is also trying to stop what is known as 'Cubanisation' of vehicles, where old vehicles, like 'Triggers Broom' are endlessly repaired and rebuilt.

Cuba has many tens of thousands of vehicles now approaching 70 to 80 years old.
There were almost zero car imports for over half a century from 1958.

 

[Northernraider]

We're in the EU all but name, so if it does happen I'm sure they'll happily make it apply to us.

The irony was/is ... many of the rules blamed on eu were actually British ideas lol.

The UK is one of the worst countries in Europe for hitting the motorist. Sure we have loads of classics used on Sundays and for shows etc but not so many daily drivers as there is throughout Europe it's one of the things I love while travelling is seeing all the 70's 80's and 90's cars and trucks still in daily use.

It should have been the same in the UK. We brits are one of the worst throw away societies I've encountered

 

[Northernraider]

This ruling seems to mostly be about 'cut & shut' types of repairs.
The EU (quite rightly) is also trying to stop what is known as 'Cubanisation' of vehicles, where old vehicles, like 'Triggers Broom' are endlessly repaired and rebuilt.

Cuba has many tens of thousands of vehicles now approaching 70 to 80 years old.
There were almost zero car imports for over half a century from 1958.

It's the one thing that makes me want to visit Cuba.

 

[pappajohn]

This ruling seems to mostly be about 'cut & shut' types of repairs

No, it states major repairs to engine, suspension, drive train etc.

Cars experiencing failures in major components such as engines, transmissions, brakes, or steering, and deemed old (potentially around 15 years), will fall under this category. Once labelled as residual, these vehicles would be barred from undergoing significant repairs and would likely be scrapped.

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[PaulW2]

I actually read the article even though I have no interest and don't believe it will happen. What it actually says is

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Do they are not banning repairs at all.

The sneaky bit is right there, though: "Controversially, a vehicle requiring major part replacements or whose repair costs exceed its market value could also be classified as residual."

That would be a question for me, or for my insurer.

What does big government have to say about it? Why would they even bother saying that if they're not intending to codify it somehow? And why is it being described as controversial?

For that matter, why would they have ANY regulation to specify that I can't repair my drowned, cut, welded, defective car? What an odd list of things to be prescriptive about. I damage, I pay, man fixes. Job done.

"No, senhor, this car cannot be fixed, because I can see that there is some damage here - a water stain, a welding mark - that fall foul of regulation XYZ..."

 

[Brains]

No, it states major repairs to engine, suspension, drive train etc.

Yes, major component parts,
Where a substantial part of the vehicle is being replaced.

No new Diesels will be built after 2030 (or 2035, or 2040 depending on who you believe)
They are trying to avoid Europe becoming a second Cuba, with large numbers of old diesel powered vehicles still on the road after the 2050's. Ideally they want them all gone in the 2030's.

 

[pappajohn]

large numbers of old diesel powered vehicles still on the road after the 2050's. Ideally they want them all gone in the 2030's.

Then the obvious solution is ban the sale of diesel unless it's to a registered haulage, agricultural or construction company.
There would be no option but comply other than black market at what cost

 

[PaulW2]

Yes, major component parts,
Where a substantial part of the vehicle is being replaced.

No new Diesels will be built after 2030 (or 2035, or 2040 depending on who you believe)
They are trying to avoid Europe becoming a second Cuba, with large numbers of old diesel powered vehicles still on the road after the 2050's. Ideally they want them all gone in the 2030's.

That's the thin end of the wedge. "Major" parts. An engine? A piston? A head gasket? An injector? And who is going to regulate and police it all? What's the bet they're going to try to chase it to extinction until you can't get an air filter.

 

[Northernraider]

Yes, major component parts,
Where a substantial part of the vehicle is being replaced.

No new Diesels will be built after 2030 (or 2035, or 2040 depending on who you believe)
They are trying to avoid Europe becoming a second Cuba, with large numbers of old diesel powered vehicles still on the road after the 2050's. Ideally they want them all gone in the 2030's.

And I sincerely hope they fail in that mission.

All those diesel motorhomes sold between now and 2030 will certainly still be on the road in 2050 that's for sure. The ones over 3.5t will still be cheap to tax too unless they up all the phgv tax rates.
The diesel cars in the £20 &£30 a year tax brackets will be even more sought after than they are now.

I'll never drive an electric car in my lifetime. Unless they really make it impossible to drive a diesel vehicle.

But I doubt there will ever be an electric motorhome available at the budget I'd want to pay. Not while I'm still able to drive anyway.

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[WESTY66]

Then the obvious solution is ban the sale of diesel unless it's to a registered haulage, agricultural or construction company.
There would be no option but comply other than black market at what cost

That’s all us stuffed then, making our huge investment in our motorhomes worthless

 

[Northernraider]

Then the obvious solution is ban the sale of diesel unless it's to a registered haulage, agricultural or construction company.
There would be no option but comply other than black market at what cost

I would like to hope that people find their balls and create anarchy long before that happens though. But each year I get more and more certain that governments around the world are trying to lead their citizens in to civil wars to reduce population lol.

Push push push and eventually folk will crack

 

[Bernie P]

Insurance companies already do this. If the cost of repairs exceed the value of the vehicle, or spares are not readily available then they "write it off" (scrap it).

The EU rapportuer's (to give them their official title) are kings at burying "dodgy clauses" in the text of legislation loosely associated with the major issue being addressed, in this case waste management. Usually there is some specific corporate based "sponsorship" behind it (probably one motor manufacturer who has a compliant product to sell). If you're not careful the legislation gets approved by the Council of Ministers and then bang, the "interested party" brings the clause to light and you're stuffed. My former colleagues managed to stop 3 such pieces going through which basically only significantly affected the UK and Ireland.

 

[Dutch 68]

We can expect a ruling shortly that only government officials and top rate tax payers can have car ownership, we will be told that it is in our best interest and to save the planet, also no healthcare for the over 65’s and compulsory acceptance for everyone to become vegan, heating houses will also no longer be an option

 

[Brains]

That’s all us stuffed then, making our huge investment in our motorhomes worthless

Yes.
That is correct.

Hence I have suggested in the past there is no point is buying a Euro 5 diesel vehicle at all, as they will have a very limited life.
There is also no point in buying a brand new diesel vehicle.
The only ones worth buying are the original Euro 6's from 2014 to perhaps 2020.

Sooner later 2nd hand prices will reflect this.
Euro 5's will go down to almost worthless.
2015-20 vehicles will go up.
and the new stuff will match the prices of the 2020 vehicles

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[Spriddler]

We can expect a ruling shortly that only government officials and top rate tax payers can have car ownership,

I seem to remember that was applied somewhere else but weren't they allocated Trabants............

 

[Silver-Fox]

Never happen. Rope-a-dope headline.

**** the planet.

You do have a certain way about you and seem to use appropriate language

 

[Silver-Fox]

This ruling seems to mostly be about 'cut & shut' types of repairs.

What in your opinion is a cut and shut repair

Does that mean bodyshops can’t repair cars if more than a certain amount of panels are needed, irrespective of the cars age

 

[Sandancers]

If it saves the planet why not ?

Second in line to giving up motorhoming surely ?

 

[pappajohn]

If the cost of repairs exceed the value of the vehicle,

That's always been the case except it's if the cost of repair exceeds 60% of the vehicles book value it's written off as financially non-viable.

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[PaulyP]

I actually read the article even though I have no interest and don't believe it will happen. What it actually says is

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So they are not banning repairs at all.

It’s the old saying “don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story”

 

[TheBig1]

I wonder if anyone has realised that many "end of life vehicles" get shipped to Africa by the boatload. What we deem uneconomical to repair is welcomed and back on the roads within days of arrival

 

[Peter and Julie]

I wonder if anyone has realised that many "end of life vehicles" get shipped to Africa by the boatload. What we deem uneconomical to repair is welcomed and back on the roads within days of arrival

HGV's in particular!

 

[ChrisSue]

Most of 'us' aren't in the E.U.

Till after the next election.

 

[WESTY66]

Till after the next election.

Does that mean we can do away with the 90/180

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