Problem after purchase (1 Viewer)

[rolandrat]

I don't think that many were built, perhaps someone in the know could put some light on it. I think Swift made a few "A" class as well and one of our members has one, it caused quite a lot of grief when new due to chassis build problems. It seems that they were lying around for some considerable time before bodies were put on them.

 

[Badknee]

just checked v5, says last keeper Marquis Southampton!

It may have had a private reg plate like ours did, the easiest way to get it off is to register it in the dealers name. It puts another "owner" on the V5 which is the downside.

 

[Judge Mental]

"only" £30000 for a 2004? really......

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[DP+JAY]

The Luxor is an Auto-Sleepers model not Autotrail, also known as "Mirage" and they are generally considered to be among the better built motorhomes, I believe they are actually Italian built and the Auto-Sleepers bit is "badge engineering".

D.

Yes, from the SEA group( Elnagh, Mc Louis, Mobilvetta, etc. etc.) I believe Marquis were the sole importers as they were also owned by SEA back then.

 

[sticky130]

"only" £30000 for a 2004? really......

Can't remember stating "only" Are you inferring that it was expensive or inexpensive?

After research when we bought it we thought it seemed an average price for the year for an A Class from a dealer.

(still may end up a very expensive mistake though!!)

Nicky

 

[Puddleduck]

It may have had a private reg plate like ours did, the easiest way to get it off is to register it in the dealers name. It puts another "owner" on the V5 which is the downside.

It also makes it very difficult to contact the previous "real" owner.

I'm not suspicious when this sort of thing happens, just experienced. There could be a genuine reason to register it in the dealers name but if that is the case why didn't the dealer tell the buyer?

We've contacted previous owners owners when buying cars and the motorhome. The dealers were more than happy to provide details so we could write.

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[Silver-Fox]

Can you confirm the holes are in the wheel wells and not on the chassis
My understanding is an A class M H is built on a chassis and if the holes are in a wheel well they arnt structural to the chassis.

Hence i don't see how its affected the suspension spring.

A vehicle will fail an MOT if rust is within a certain distance of a structural area.

Im no MOT tester but confused over this one.

I would still be less than happy with the vehicle though.

Good luck with this

 

[sticky130]

Can you confirm the holes are in the wheel wells and not on the chassis
My understanding is an A class M H is built on a chassis and if the holes are in a wheel well they arnt structural to the chassis.

Hence i don't see how its affected the suspension spring.

A vehicle will fail an MOT if rust is within a certain distance of a structural area.

Im no MOT tester but confused over this one.

I would still be less than happy with the vehicle though.

Good luck with this

Sorry to cause confusion! This was only discovered as the suspension spring was being investigated, Our garage said the spring isn't really an issue, easy to replace and if we don't replace it will just ride a tiny bit lower on one side. It was just that as he was looking at the spring issue he said I think you should come and look at this and called us down to have a look under the van in the inspection pit to tell us this was a MUCH bigger problem, then he checked the other side and it was just as bad. So yes, just in the wheel well, if you hadn't got under there with a light you would never know it existed. He won't even benefit from discovering it as he feels its now too big a job for him to do.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Ahh a problem discovered looking at another problem

All is clear now

Still not good though

Good luck

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[Teasy2007]

Good luck with Marquis! We had a very difficult situation with them and a 2 year old van.

You have a warranty so you should get them to sort it. Don't let them fob you off, the only good thing I can say about Marquis is that they eventually sorted everything, even if it was a stressful and frustrating experience.

 

[MikeD]

Sorry to cause confusion! This was only discovered as the suspension spring was being investigated, Our garage said the spring isn't really an issue, easy to replace and if we don't replace it will just ride a tiny bit lower on one side. It was just that as he was looking at the spring issue he said I think you should come and look at this and called us down to have a look under the van in the inspection pit to tell us this was a MUCH bigger problem, then he checked the other side and it was just as bad. So yes, just in the wheel well, if you hadn't got under there with a light you would never know it existed. He won't even benefit from discovering it as he feels its now too big a job for him to do.

Is it on the front or rear?

 

[sticky130]

All the front, everywhere else seems ok, the plan is now though to get it all thoroughly checked out as soon as the MOT is sorted.

Curious to why you ask?

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[jollyrodger]

Front a big ,expensive problem as part of the actual chassis /cab whilst rear not so hard to access as part of the motorhome body make up ,on the front will probably have to remove all running gear and suspension struts .

 

[MikeD]

The front is the original makers chassis and "may" be MOT failure if corroded. The rear would be Autosleeper built and not structural so not (IMO) an MOT failure.

Also some of these "A" class motorhomes have funny/useless drainage channels from the roof/windscreen and I wondered if you have a blocked drain causing the water to be channeled into a area where it causes damage.

In my opinion unless you have extensive corrosion all over the chassis the vehicle probably has not been flooded. If it is one corner I would suspect either above or makers error in anti-corrosion or light accident damage.

Also check that all the rubber/plastic bungs are fitted to all main chassis holes, I understand that earlier chassis bungs were prone to fall out leaving a gaping hole in the chassis sections.

But either way I hope you get it sorted to your satisfaction ASAP.

 

[Gellyneck]

Well it was bought for £5 under £30k and just checked we paid £250 deposit by CC so looks like we fit!!

Yes you should be covered for the full purchase price!

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[dave newell]

Looking at the photos and now knowing its the front end I assume it is the rear of the wheel well/inner arch area (what would be the front end of the door steps on a standard cab)? If so then while it is not good it is not that big a job to repair, the A class factor does make it more awkward with not having a passenger side cab door and the gas locker close by but it is not more than a day's work to sort out, this is obviously simply from looking at your photos and there may be more rot to deal with that is not visible but from what I can see in the photos I'd estimate a days labour plus materials.

D.

 

[sticky130]

Looking at the photos and now knowing its the front end I assume it is the rear of the wheel well/inner arch area (what would be the front end of the door steps on a standard cab)? If so then while it is not good it is not that big a job to repair, the A class factor does make it more awkward with not having a passenger side cab door and the gas locker close by but it is not more than a day's work to sort out, this is obviously simply from looking at your photos and there may be more rot to deal with that is not visible but from what I can see in the photos I'd estimate a days labour plus materials.

D.

I seriously can't see how it's a weeks worth of labour as the garage quoted. I also think this this massive quote has caused more problems for us with Marquis to be honest and we're going to take it to another garage in the village for them to try to give us a more accurate figure. The original garage who has decided that they don't want anything to do with the job, I feel, just plucked a number out of thin air as Marquis insisted for a ball park figure.

 

[Jaws]

I would urge you to take it to a small independent garage who advertise as MOT welding specialists
As far as I can see from the pictures, while it looks bloody awful, a maximum of an hour with the cutting disk and a days fabrication work would be about right

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[sadlonelygit]

just had a look at the pictures, looks to me like there has been either a failure of the underseal or it's draining run off into the chassis.
either way not really the dealers fault and to be honest it's 'fair wear and tear' for a 11 y/o vehicle. especially a SEVAL based motor.
However £2800 for a days welding is a little steep.
Bite the bullet and get it fixed pronto. Also find out why it's so corroded, perhaps a job for the dealer (goodwill and all that).
i know we will have hundreds/thousands of irate SEVAL owners telling us of their 1899 model hasn't a bit of rust, but the fact is if it was left with just the factory underseal, i'm surprised it has lasted this long as they were renowned for falling apart around the driver.

 

[joncris]

The seller IS responsible NOT the MOT garage. Who actually issued the MOT the dealer or an independent garage ?. Also even having a current MOT is no get out clause for the dealer

 

[joncris]

Just looked at the pictures OMG that vehicle should never have been sold to the public, not in that condition anyway. Also what's the rest of the vehicle like particularly that which you can't see.
Q Did you or they do an inspection before purchase. As dealers they are supposed to inspect their products BEFORE selling them EVEN if they are being sold on another's behalf.
Also I don't like Marquis as they were bloody rude to me when I inquired about buying a MH. So any help you may need just ask via pm
PS hate to say this but that MH should be returned to the dealer forthwith and any agreement voided

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[joncris]

PPS If you don't mind what did it cost you and when did you take possession??. That info may help in formulating a plan

 

[sadlonelygit]

Just looked at the pictures OMG that vehicle should never have been sold to the public, not in that condition anyway. Also what's the rest of the vehicle like particularly that which you can't see.
Q Did you or they do an inspection before purchase. As dealers they are supposed to inspect their products BEFORE selling them EVEN if they are being sold on another's behalf.
Also I don't like Marquis as they were bloody rude to me when I inquired about buying a MH. So any help you may need just ask via pm
PS hate to say this but that MH should be returned to the dealer forthwith and any agreement voided

you do realise that they bought the m/h over a year ago! sounds like you have an issue with the dealers rather than contributing to finding a solution.

 

[sticky130]

I think to be fair, even though I agree Marquis are responsible, they took it in for an MOT before we bought it maybe they thought they shouldn't have to re-inspect it? Marquis do seem to be dealing with it after the conversation we had this morning and they have arranged it to go into a workshop tomorrow, so lets see how it pans out.

We've had it for 1 year so it's the first MOT we were responsible for. Everybody that has seen the photo's seems to think that it's not fair wear & tear for an 11 year old vehicle though, my mini is the same year and it's spotless.

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[sticky130]

I must admit we didn't go and check over every square inch of the van before purchase, we looked everywhere we could see without getting the van over an inspection pit, and assumed that as it has passed an MOT that there would be nothing of great concern. Also 12 months ago it probably wouldn't have looked like that!

 

[Judge Mental]

for what an inspection costs and the potential grief if you get it wrong, Its absolute madness not to.......shop with your head not your heart.

These dealers play on this and they know very well what they are selling!

 

[Puddleduck]

Please let us know what happens.

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[joncris]

you do realise that they bought the m/h over a year ago! sounds like you have an issue with the dealers rather than contributing to finding a solution.

NO that's why I asked when they bought it. As for me not liking the dealer that has nothing to do with my previous advice. It appears that even one year ago they were sold a pup

 

[Daz n Tina]

Sorry to see the problem you have. I think if I were in your shoes I would let the credit card company deal with it. Tell them that the vehicle was sold unroadworthy due to the spring issue and major corrosion has been. Found.

 

[joncris]

Also as it was bought only one year ago it clearly wasn't fit to be sold even then In other words as SOGA states it was not fit for purpose Also any money claim can be enacted upto 6 years from the date of knowledge of its condition

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