OK, so what exactly is an "adventure van"?

[ChrisL]

Real men ride camels

But Doctors smoke Camels

 

[PaulW2]

Doesn't matter

The point is its often unnecessary. If you've to drive over 2000 miles to use your 4x4 for less than a quarter ( being generous probably more like 1/12) of the time you dint really need it.

You don't really need a motorhome either. "Real" need is a red herring. Like saying that anything above the barest physical subsistence isn't a "real" need.

And if I only need a low gear to get up hills that make up 1/12th of the distance, does it then follow that I don't need a low gear?

 

[Bill-H]

We all have adventures in our motorhomes.

I'd debate that statement.
I know two couples who only ever go to the same site each time out, along the same route, stopping for a tea break at the same car park each and every time. Only eating and drinking at the site's bar and rarely leaving the confines.
The site one of the 50-something couples go to is less than 20 miles from their home.

 

[ChrisL]

This would be all that's necessary to cross the Moroccan desert

 

[Northernraider]

You don't really need a motorhome either. "Real" need is a red herring. Like saying that anything above the barest physical subsistence isn't a "real" need.

And if I only need a low gear to get up hills that make up 1/12th of the distance, does it then follow that I don't need a low gear?

My motorhome is used 24 hours per day , 7 days a week, 12 months of the year.


All gears are used every day.


Your analogy doesn't work.

 

[mikash]

My motorhome is used 24 hours per day , 7 days a week, 12 months of the year.


All gears are used every day.


Your analogy doesn't work.

But do you really need it ?

 

[PaulW2]

This would be all that's necessary to cross the Moroccan desert

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Assuming that one can establish that crossing the desert is a need.

 

[TheCaller]

The Moroccans cross the desert in 40 year old 2 wheel drive Renault 4's on ordinary tyres.

We ran elderly R4 vans on the farm. With half decent tyres on the front they would go anywhere a land-rover would. Wouldn't tow or carry much, but as it was me, a toolbox & maybe a couple of bags of sheep feed, they did the job just fine.

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[Jon and Shell]

Nah, not as adventurous as our Laika.

Unless 'adventure' just means AT tyres.

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[Northernraider]

But do you really need it ?

More than you need yours

 

[Northernraider]

Assuming that one can establish that crossing the desert is a need.

Fortunately I've not had the desire or the need. I spent 24 hours looking at it.
That was enough.

 

[Jon and Shell]

There is a sense of achievement once you've crossed a desert though-

 

[scotjimland]

My kind of adventure van

 

[PaddyM]

An adventure van is a type of van owned by content creators, YouTubers and influencers. Since they are not allowed to just go on holiday like the rest of us but must be on an "adventure" which is part of their "story".
Since everything they do is part of their adventure any van they own must be an adventure van.
They are of course always desperate to tell you how much of an adventure they are having in their adventure van

It’s not a “ story “ it’s a “ journey “ which is “ challenging “

 

[pappajohn]

seeing seven men in less than an hour

Wouldnt want to be the seventh

 

[Northernraider]

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[Just smiffy]

Anything that takes you out of your comfort zone will be an adventure, people’s zones will differ tremendously….

I try to have an adventure at least once a week, the adrenaline rush is good for you….

 

[TheTwoOfUs]

It’s like a most of the BMW GS or a Range Rover, they pose as off readers but don’t get any further than crossing a grass verge.

 

[PaulW2]

The experience of that guy at the first toll booth would be enough to put me right off the idea of going there. (If I was considering it, which I wasn't, but still...)

It's almost like a "bystander apathy" case study. And the perps knew that no random bystander would make a fuss.

 

[Barchetta47]

If the R4 is not your thing what about the 2CV? I was passed by a group of them yesterday heading for Freetown, Sierra Leone!

 

[Northernraider]

If the R4 is not your thing what about the 2CV? I was passed by a group of them yesterday heading for Freetown, Sierra Leone!

Theyre very similar cars how theyre built but I always preferred the look of the Renault 4 to the 2cv ....and having driven a 2cv a few times when I was an apprentice I didn't like how they drove.

But both of these cars are amazing off road because they are so light and agile .

Id love a Renault 4 but like hens teeth in the uk and too expensive to import one nowadays

 

[captainPaul]

If the R4 is not your thing what about the 2CV? I was passed by a group of them yesterday heading for Freetown, Sierra Leone!

I think I saw them too Steve, heading towards the Mauritania border great wee fun motors

 

[fishplug]

Assuming that one can establish that crossing the desert is a need.

Having crossed it once then I definitely needed to cross it again to get home...

No one 'needs' to have an adventure. We do it because we can, because they're great things that enrich our lives and give us energy and pleasure.

Some of us have the good fortune of being able to, others make sacrifices in order to have them (I know people who have sold all their possessions to buy a motorbike and go off round the world for a decade)

Some of us travel in half built old delivery vans, others buy 250k motorhomes to reach the same destination.

So what? Enjoy what you do, do what you enjoy. We're only on this rock for a short time.

 

[Rog NotJane]

this argument again? Seriously, why does everyone care so much when someone wants something they either don’t want or can’t afford. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to get so uptight about this stuff. It’s not good for you.

Go and read John Stewart Mill’s On Liberty. If someone isn’t actually doing anyone else harm, let them have their fun.

I’ll also quote The Captain’s favourite philosopher:

“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.” ― Marcus Aurelius

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[ChrisL]

this argument again? Seriously, why does everyone care so much when someone wants something they either don’t want or can’t afford. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to get so uptight about this stuff. It’s not good for you.

Go and read John Stewart Mill’s On Liberty. If someone isn’t actually doing anyone else harm, let them have their fun.

I’ll also quote The Captain’s favourite philosopher:

“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.” ― Marcus Aurelius

Totally agree with this, after all who even needs a motorhome, Dave Kunst circumnavigated the planet on foot between 1970 and 1974, Shane Acton circumnavigated the planet in a 18' plywood boat that cost £400 over 8 years, Noraly Schoenmaker has travelled most of the planet on her motorcycles, we all travel as our sense of adventure and budget allow, and long may that continue.

 

[Northernraider]

this argument again? Seriously, why does everyone care so much when someone wants something they either don’t want or can’t afford. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to get so uptight about this stuff. It’s not good for you.

Go and read John Stewart Mill’s On Liberty. If someone isn’t actually doing anyone else harm, let them have their fun.

I’ll also quote The Captain’s favourite philosopher:

“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.” ― Marcus Aurelius

Totally agree with this, after all who even needs a motorhome, Dave Kunst circumnavigated the planet on foot between 1970 and 1974, Shane Acton circumnavigated the planet in a 18' plywood boat that cost £400 over 8 years, Noraly Schoenmaker has travelled most of the planet on her motorcycles, we all travel as our sense of adventure and budget allow, and long may that continue.

You could just not read it if it offends you so much .

I mean I scroll past 100 posts a day , I even completely avoid whole sections of the forum.

 

[ChrisL]

I even completely avoid whole sections of the forum

Apparently not this one though joking aside, nothing you've written offends me, I just don't understand why you seem so against 4 x 4 motorhomes, unfortunately for me I don’t have the budget for one but having had to be towed off a pitch more then once, I can certainly see the attraction, even in the UK, and if I could afford one it would give me more confidence to explore out of the way places, I certainly don't begrudge someone who can afford one their purchase.

 

[Northernraider]

Apparently not this one though joking aside, nothing you've written offends me, I just don't understand why you seem so against 4 x 4 motorhomes, unfortunately for me I don’t have the budget for one but having had to be towed off a pitch more then once, I can certainly see the attraction, even in the UK, and if I could afford one it would give me more confidence to explore out of the way places, I certainly don't begrudge someone who can afford one their purchase.

Its in motorhome chat , one of the few forums i view

Ive explained my view on them before in previous threads...let's not rehash it

It'll only upset folk


P.s it isn't just 4x4 motorhomes either I also think 4x4 cars should be banned unless the buyer can prove that its offroad at least 75% of the time. I stopped buying them when I wasn't taking them off road.

Otherwise its just unnecessary

But im also against cars with engines bigger than it physically needs to perform to the roads its used on .
Cars built for a racetrack should be kept on a racetrack.

Harsh I know , but everyone with a vehicle is suffering as a result of years of abuse.

And we're getting ev vehicles shoved down our throats as a result.

 

[Noots]

We've heard this term banded about in social media.
What exactly is an "adventure van"?

We all have adventures in our motorhomes.

How adventurous do you have to be in order to become an adventure traveller?

How adventurous does your van have to be to become an adventure van?

Our Laika has loads of ground clearance, loads of lithium, all season tyres, roof bars, a ladder and a sump guard. Is it an adventure van now? Does it need to have the spare wheel bolted to the back wall to quality?

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[PaulW2]

this argument again? Seriously, why does everyone care so much when someone wants something they either don’t want or can’t afford. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to get so uptight about this stuff. It’s not good for you.

Go and read John Stewart Mill’s On Liberty. If someone isn’t actually doing anyone else harm, let them have their fun.

I’ll also quote The Captain’s favourite philosopher:

“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.” ― Marcus Aurelius

Isaiah Berlin's Two Concepts of Liberty would seem to be apposite.

Positive Liberty - freedom and ability to act on your will. Having the necessary resources, skills to do as you wish.
Negative Liberty - lack of obstacles or barriers imposed by other people or the state.

What we seem to have here is people utilising their positive liberty while others (even while using their own positive liberty) employ social opprobrium to shame people - an attempt to restrict their negative liberty - for doing as they wish.

I tend to have a short, sharp response to this sort of attempt when I encounter it in the wild.