Latest update on travelling abroad after Brexit

[David & Gill]

Hi
Hoping to go away to Spain in January for a few months soon and I wanting the latest on what I need to do.Gov web site is not up to date now we are leaving by the end of January.
1 ———do I need international driving licence for Spain
2———-do I need a international driving licence for France
3———-I have a number plate with GB and European stars on it do I have to change it to one with just GB
4——— Will I need to put a extra GB sticker on my camper.
I have tried to look for advice but have not found a definitive answer.

Dave

 

[Jaws]

Hi
Hoping to go away to Spain in January for a few months soon and I wanting the latest on what I need to do.Gov web site is not up to date now we are leaving by the end of January.
1 ———do I need international driving licence for Spain
2———-do I need a international driving licence for France
3———-I have a number plate with GB and European stars on it do I have to change it to one with just GB
4——— Will I need to put a extra GB sticker on my camper.
I have tried to look for advice but have not found a definitive answer.

Dave

Def not for Spain as they have stated no matter what an IDP will not be required until August
For the sake of a fiver and ten minutes I got a French IDP so am covered what ever happens
Strictly speaking the stars will be a no-no but not something I would worry about.. Having said that I have a stars only plate so I spent the £1.50 on a GB sticker just in case

 

[Potty]

My understanding is that nothing will change during the transition period. We are travelling early February. Already have the IDPs and 2 GB stickers. Not sure if the dog will need a health certificate. Will have to check that with DEFRA.

 

[jongood]

Do you need to change the title of this? can't see any link with trading.

 

[Jaws]

My understanding is that nothing will change during the transition period. We are travelling early February. Already have the IDPs and 2 GB stickers. Not sure if the dog will need a health certificate. Will have to check that with DEFRA.

Hate to say it but if things go even slightly wrong you will be stuck as far as the woofa goes unless you have already had him/her tinter tested or are hing it done tomorrow
Average time to get results is 14 days.. And you cannot travel untl 30 days after the certificate is issued ( which is just so much batchy red tape as far as I can work out !! )

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[Allanm]

I would say No, No, No and No.
You could get an IDP if you want, they are only a few £ but wouldn’t worry about the number plates.
Assuming the UK leaves with a deal at the end of the month there will be a long transition period where nothing will really change.

 

[Jenka]

Hate to say it but if things go even slightly wrong you will be stuck as far as the woofa goes unless you have already had him/her tinter tested or are hing it done tomorrow
Average time to get results is 14 days.. And you cannot travel untl 30 days after the certificate is issued ( which is just so much batchy red tape as far as I can work out !! )

Nothing changes until 31December .so why worry about anything until it's settled .

 

[Jaws]

Nothing changes until 31December .so why worry about anything until it's settled .

Unless we totally bomb out, which is unlikely but who knows, and why take the chance for a few quidlets

 

[Rds559]

Hi
Hoping to go away to Spain in January for a few months soon and I wanting the latest on what I need to do.Gov web site is not up to date now we are leaving by the end of January.
1 ———do I need international driving licence for Spain
2———-do I need a international driving licence for France
3———-I have a number plate with GB and European stars on it do I have to change it to one with just GB
4——— Will I need to put a extra GB sticker on my camper.
I have tried to look for advice but have not found a definitive answer.

Dave

Up to 31st December 2020 answer in no no no and no

 

[Potty]

Hate to say it but if things go even slightly wrong you will be stuck as far as the woofa goes unless you have already had him/her tinter tested or are hing it done tomorrow
Average time to get results is 14 days.. And you cannot travel untl 30 days after the certificate is issued ( which is just so much batchy red tape as far as I can work out !! )

Rabies jab last year and titre tested. I think it is 21 days not 30 and that is for return to the UK not for travelling to the EU. (The 30 days is the period after the rabies jab before the titre test can be done. ) Have been travelling to France with dogs for the last dozen years. Never been asked for their passports leaving the UK. Things will definitely change after Brexit but hopefully we will become a Part 1 Listed Country which will only mean changing the current EU passport for a UK one.

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[TerryL]

If the exit with a deal goes through on 31 January nothing will change during the transition period, that is until 31 December.

If we exit "No deal" then it's anybody's guess - and remember we've had the leaving date put back twice........................!

Belt and braces for me - Green Card plus IDP's for France and Spain. Dog already fully sorted.
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it, especially for just a few quid.

Edit: Of course it's still possible the whole thing could be called off!

 

[soreeyes]

Legally we leave at the end of the month and I thought the transition period was for trade .

What is going to change after we leave at the end of the month is as clear as mud ?

I have changed my number plate and put a GB sticker on and green card for motorhome and green card for trailer and IDP .

 

[The Wino]

Of course the real answer if you look through those given is no-one really knows but it will probably be fine.

 

[David and Sally]

Legally we leave at the end of the month and I thought the transition period was for trade .

What is going to change after we leave at the end of the month is as clear as mud ?

I have changed my number plate and put a GB sticker on and green card for motorhome and green card for trailer and IDP .

Why chance some snotty gendarmme keeping you at the roadside or even attempting to fine you for the sake of an IDP and Green Card? I just don't understand why you would go without them as they are so easy to get.
They may or may not be needed (probably not) but I've got mine. They don't affect the payload much

 

[tuscancouple]

I just don't understand why you would go without them as they are so easy to get.

It's just that some of us take risk less seriously that you Need the adrenaline rush of going to France without an IDP!

Mick

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[42208]

You're not the first to say "exit with a deal on 31st Jan", so you're not the first to get it wrong!
31stJan is the day that Boris The Liar hopes that the EU will ratify his Withdrawal Agreement.
There then follows months of negotiation to get a deal (or end up with no deal).

HOWEVER, BLT's Withdrawal Agreement Bill which got its second reading before Xmas is different to his WAB which he published in November and to which every Tory candidate had to swear allegiance. Needless to say, none of them had the balls to say "this one is different"!
BUT the EU might say "this isn't what we agreed: go back and start again". Wouldn't that be fun?
Probably they'll just accept it because they are fed up with UK incompetence.

When it comes to negotiating The Deal, Boris The Liar has said that he will not extend talks beyond 31stDec 2020. [He also said we would leave on 31st Oct "do or die" and that he'd rather be "dead in a ditch" than ask for an extension to 31st Jan: surely you can see a pattern?]

To get all the laws and regulations in place for 31st Dec, many experts think that negotiations will need to be complete by the end of July. The EU trade deal with Canada, which BLT says he wants for us, took 7years to sort.
Sitting in front of the EU negotiators will be The Liars' Withdrawal Agreement, which is different to what the EU agreed. Are they going to trust BLT to stick with whatever is produced over the course of a few months?
I don't think so: I imagine that they will want every "i" dotting, every "t" crossing and the whole thing signed in blood.

So don't expect "getting it done" to mean that all will be crystal clear on 31st Jan 2020; it may still be fairly muddy on 31st Jan 2021 or 22 or 23 or ....

Happy New Year - Gordon

Apart from a personal rant which parts of the OP's 4 points are you answering, I cant really pick out any guidance at all to help them decide what to do, they are going away this month and probably not particularly interested in your political leanings for the moment, however, they have, in what appears to be good faith, asked for some help, can you help them or not, surely you can at least finish your post with 'And therefore based upon my arguments above you need to....? And clarify the 4 points for them

 

[The Wino]

Apart from a personal rant which parts of the OP's 4 points are you answering, I cant really pick out any guidance at all to help them decide what to do, they are going away this month and probably not particularly interested in your political leanings for the moment, however, they have, in what appears to be good faith, asked for some help, can you help them or not, surely you can at least finish your post with 'And therefore based upon my arguments above you need to....? And clarify the 4 points for them

How can anyone issue guidance when no-one really knows whats going to happen!!!! In that respect the post is just as usefull as anyone elses in that nobody knows.

 

[soreeyes]

I can only go by what we do know at the present time which is we legally stop being members from Jan 31st which would then make the use of Euro plates illegal as they are for the use by member states ? As said why risk any fines by chancing it .

 

[Phill D]

You're not the first to say "exit with a deal on 31st Jan", so you're not the first to get it wrong!
31stJan is the day that Boris The Liar hopes that the EU will ratify his Withdrawal Agreement.
There then follows months of negotiation to get a deal (or end up with no deal).

HOWEVER, BLT's Withdrawal Agreement Bill which got its second reading before Xmas is different to his WAB which he published in November and to which every Tory candidate had to swear allegiance. Needless to say, none of them had the balls to say "this one is different"!
BUT the EU might say "this isn't what we agreed: go back and start again". Wouldn't that be fun?
Probably they'll just accept it because they are fed up with UK incompetence.

When it comes to negotiating The Deal, Boris The Liar has said that he will not extend talks beyond 31stDec 2020. [He also said we would leave on 31st Oct "do or die" and that he'd rather be "dead in a ditch" than ask for an extension to 31st Jan: surely you can see a pattern?]

To get all the laws and regulations in place for 31st Dec, many experts think that negotiations will need to be complete by the end of July. The EU trade deal with Canada, which BLT says he wants for us, took 7years to sort.
Sitting in front of the EU negotiators will be The Liars' Withdrawal Agreement, which is different to what the EU agreed. Are they going to trust BLT to stick with whatever is produced over the course of a few months?
I don't think so: I imagine that they will want every "i" dotting, every "t" crossing and the whole thing signed in blood.

So don't expect "getting it done" to mean that all will be crystal clear on 31st Jan 2020; it may still be fairly muddy on 31st Jan 2021 or 22 or 23 or ....

Happy New Year - Gordon

WOW.... the OP only asked for a few helpful suggestions....

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Hi
Hoping to go away to Spain in January for a few months soon and I wanting the latest on what I need to do.Gov web site is not up to date now we are leaving by the end of January.
1 ———do I need international driving licence for Spain
2———-do I need a international driving licence for France
3———-I have a number plate with GB and European stars on it do I have to change it to one with just GB
4——— Will I need to put a extra GB sticker on my camper.
I have tried to look for advice but have not found a definitive answer.

Dave

No,No,No and guess what, No

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[Pete5996]

Despite a number of posters having confirmed that there will be little, if any, change during the transition period, there still seem to be a lot of disbelievers.

It might be worth having a read of this section, which comes from this web page and confirms that those who are busting a gut to get out will have to either bust a gut or just be a little more patient....

The agreement outlines a transitional period that will last from March 30, 2019 until 31 December 2020. This period could be extended for up to one or two years if both sides agree. But how will life for all UK citizens be affected by this transition period? What will change and what will stay the same?

It’s easy to forget that this agreement is just the first step in negotiations and there is still much to be decided in the future. The emphasis of the withdrawal agreement is on ensuring stability in both the EU and the UK while negotiations on the future relationship continue, based on the priorities set out in an accompanying political declaration.

With stability as its aim, a key aspect of the withdrawal agreement is the fact that it will keep nearly all of EU law in place until the end of the transitional period. This means that little will change for individuals and businesses during this time, with the UK essentially remaining in the single market during the transition.

Significant rules affecting people’s everyday lives, such as the right to travel to other EU countries without visa restrictions, will remain in place. The only exceptions to this are the areas where the UK already had opt-outs from EU law and certain rules in the area of EU foreign policy. Aside from this, UK courts are bound to act in conformity with EU law during the transition period, for which the EU and the UK expect to conclude a specific treaty in the near future.

The free movement of people will continue during the transition period, meaning EU citizens can continue to move here and work here and Britons can continue to move to rest of the EU. But new controls will be put in place, for example EU citizens living in the UK will need to register for a new government Settled Status scheme by June 30, 2021. If the option to add a year or two to the transition period is taken, then the deadline for this scheme will also be extended.

 

[gus-lopez]

and I thought the transition period was for trade .

It covers everything

I can only go by what we do know at the present time which is we legally stop being members from Jan 31st which would then make the use of Euro plates illegal as they are for the use by member states ? As said why risk any fines by chancing it .

you don't cease to be members until end of transition or no deal.

 

[Augusta08]

I think you're looking for problems where none exist. I came over Dover Calais last night the French passport control waved us thru , they don't even know we are here.... They've got much more to worry about than few tourists who want spend money in France/Spain/insert other EU countries.

Macron has a transport railways strike, Germany has neonazi and AFD idiots, Italy hasn't got a government, Spain has Catalan seperatives.

Do you really think they're worried about whether you've got a GB sticker?

Just sit back and enjoy the wine ?

 

[PhilandMena]

Read this in one of today's papers. I believe it to be correct.

Holidays
British citizens, like other citizens around the world, are still able to travel to any EU member state up to December 31, 2020, with no impediments such as visas.

After that time, it is likely that visa-free trips will continue for stays of up to 90 days.

The European health insurance card which provides health cover for tourists in another member state also still applies for this period.

After which time, a new deal about these rights and the conditions for entry will be discussed.

 

[Jenka]

We are leaving simple ,for the majority going abroad won't be any different as of today your only legally entitled to 90 days and you should have separate health insurance it's only those that are going for months on end or feel that it's going to cost them more money that are moaning if you don't like the UK give up your rights and go and apply for settled status in a country of your choice ! Rant over happy New year ???

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[Mikeco]

One interesting difference that I noticed when leaving the ferry at Santander last week was that both our passports, and I assume everyone else’s were scanned before we could get out of the port. Normally it’s been off the ship and straight out but this time it took quite a while.

 

[Speve]

We are leaving simple ,for the majority going abroad won't be any different as of today your only legally entitled to 90 days and you should have separate health insurance it's only those that are going for months on end or feel that it's going to cost them more money that are moaning if you don't like the UK give up your rights and go and apply for settled status in a country of your choice ! Rant over happy New year ???

Not quite correct I think it’s January 31st 2020 and then 31st December end of transition period. But still nothing decided or even confirmed so go while you can??

 

[Phill D]

the info that is needed is clearly set out in post #24 above.

 

[Speve]

the info that is needed is clearly set out in post #24 above.

Exactly?

 

[Jenka]

Not quite correct I think it’s January 31st 2020 and then 31st December end of transition period. But still nothing decided or even confirmed so go while you can??

The 90 days as always applied just not enforced and it is always recommend you have separate full medical cover .?

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