Here we go, banning of new sales of diesel and petrol vehicles brought forward to 2035, thoughts?

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So, where we thought we had circa 20 years before MHs would have to evolve from diesel and petrol, we now have less than 15 years.
 
Hybrids also included .
 
Just can't see how it's going to work, but looks like it's going to have to ........ somehow ?
 
Wonder what the answer to this situation is .

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Listening to a guy who has worked at high level in Merc, Ford, Aston Martin, etc on the radio this morning he stated that he thought it was a good target and would actually not spell the end of the combustion engine as manufacturers would expedite efuel technology to replace fuels that have hydrocarbons.
 
Just a couple of thoughts, the current emission regulations are hitting small business, where a small tradesman could use a cheap vehicle to get in to london do a job and get out again is no longer viable they have to have a low emission vehicle to do the work, in many instances this is not financially viable for the small trader. The Ban is referring to 2035 so 15 years time, there will still be current vehicles about its just they will have to be alternative energy, I suspect Hydrogen will be one of them although plenty of naysayers say it won't. But it is a technology to look out for.

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Sounds sensible to me there needs to be a target to aim for and it sounds like it will include hybrids so the traffic jam stuff is rubbish. Whats not being said is what taxation levels are expected in order to persuade us to swap over in the next few years. What would be sensible would be a minimum gov. tested fuel efficiency target for hybrids and once there are a good number of them on the roads increasing fuel duty to encourage charging.
 
Looking at the trusty loophole detector, there's a fortune to be made by importing RHD nearly new/used hybrid or ICE cars and vans from Japan after 2035.

What really annoys me is the groupthink that prioritises expansion of cheap air travel and keeping jet fuel tax-exempt. Unacceptable IMO.

On a related Green issue, did you also see the proposal to rip out all domestic gas boilers? Currently there are an estimated 10,000 premature deaths from hypothermia every winter. Electric tariffs are roughly 3x gas tariffs for the equivalent Kw hour. How can people on low incomes afford to heat their homes using electricity only.
 
Hollyberry said:
Well, my first thought was I’ll be dead, but that’s a tad selfish. I can’t see how it’ll work with traffic and weather conditions as per Larrynwin ’s post above.
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I guess I also will have turned my toes up :RollEyes:
 
DC4JC said:
So, where we thought we had circa 20 years before MHs would have to evolve from diesel and petrol, we now have less than 15 years.
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........Fake News ?

It refers to CARS?

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I remember testing one of the cars of the future powered by the fuel of the future.
This was when gas was claimed to be the new clean fuel to save the world. It was used on my driving school for 6 months and 36,000 miles then given back to the manufacturer. It was clean and economical.
The car was a Vauxhall and they had started a new production line purely to manufacture gas vehicles.
The same crap is evolving now with electric. How long before they change there minds and move to something else?
 
Battery cars? Talk about devolution... Carrying liquid fuel with you is genius. It is a measured physical quantity, so you know how far you can travel. No lithium mining or disposal problems with petrol, the vehicle burns it's own waste.
Battery cars look like the previous generation of vehicles that were replaced by petrol. Absolute fad.

I think electric motorcycles are more viable as no heater is needed ?.
 
Laterally thinking 50% of cars would be taken off the roads with people doing online shopping, and computers will have a lot of people working from home, it’s already happening.

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SpeedyDux said:
Looking at the trusty loophole detector, there's a fortune to be made by importing RHD nearly new/used hybrid or ICE cars and vans from Japan after 2035.

What really annoys me is the groupthink that prioritises expansion of cheap air travel and keeping jet fuel tax-exempt. Unacceptable IMO.

On a related Green issue, did you also see the proposal to rip out all domestic gas boilers? Currently there are an estimated 10,000 premature deaths from hypothermia every winter. Electric tariffs are roughly 3x gas tariffs for the equivalent Kw hour. How can people on low incomes afford to heat their homes using electricity only.
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Heat pumps, yes its an emerging technology which wont work well in older properties but you have to ask at a time of massive housebuilding why the government still allow gas boilers to be fitted in new builds? It's a bit like banning hydrocarbon vehicles whilst building new runways!
 
A few thoughts in no particular order......

Where is all the electric going to come from? I'm not sure that renewables will be able to cope and if not we will just be moving pollution from one place to another. Unless generated very close to the place of use there is quite a lot of wastage with electricity transmission.

Unless prices for the vehicles fall dramatically there will be far less new vehicles on the road and second hand cars might become more valuable.

Will the infrastructure be in the right place at the right time?

I've been looking at alternatives for when we need to replace our car and at the moment, as things stand, much as I would like to go electric it just isn't practical for us at the moment. Not only the initial cost of the vehicle (which is an immediate halt!) but also having emergency trips to my parents, at night and in winter I would have to stop at least once and probably twice to recharge on the way down. With the current car I can get down and back on one tank of fuel.

I suppose we do have a few years to get everything in order and I hope we can but I also hope that the people who I think will be most affected adversely (remote communities who have no alternative means of transport and who also have intermittent power cuts in bad weather for example) are taken into account.
 
Coolcats said:
Just a couple of thoughts, the current emission regulations are hitting small business, where a small tradesman could use a cheap vehicle to get in to london do a job and get out again is no longer viable they have to have a low emission vehicle to do the work, in many instances this is not financially viable for the small trader. The Ban is referring to 2035 so 15 years time, there will still be current vehicles about its just they will have to be alternative energy, I suspect Hydrogen will be one of them although plenty of naysayers say it won't. But it is a technology to look out for.
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This is a ban on NEW vehicles. Existing ones will be allowed to be continued to be used. It means that there will still be petrol and diesel vehicles on the road in 2050 which is the deadline for us becoming carbon neutral as a country.
 
SpeedyDux said:
Looking at the trusty loophole detector, there's a fortune to be made by importing RHD nearly new/used hybrid or ICE cars and vans from Japan after 2035.

What really annoys me is the groupthink that prioritises expansion of cheap air travel and keeping jet fuel tax-exempt. Unacceptable IMO.

On a related Green issue, did you also see the proposal to rip out all domestic gas boilers? Currently there are an estimated 10,000 premature deaths from hypothermia every winter. Electric tariffs are roughly 3x gas tariffs for the equivalent Kw hour. How can people on low incomes afford to heat their homes using electricity only.
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Where will all the new demand for green electricity be sourced from?

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SpeedyDux said:
On a related Green issue, did you also see the proposal to rip out all domestic gas boilers? Currently there are an estimated 10,000 premature deaths from hypothermia every winter. Electric tariffs are roughly 3x gas tariffs for the equivalent Kw hour. How can people on low incomes afford to heat their homes using electricity only.
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One of the local housing associations here is replacing gas boilers with electric heating. It costs about £3.50 per room per day to use and there is very little control over the output - pretty much on or off and I don't see much difference between the "new" system and the old fashioned storage heaters.
 
Bloody EXPERTS again,,should think this was dreamed up by a group of academics who have probably never ventured out of their London bubble since attending university,,It will never happen,,first we dont have the power stations and the charging points will never be provided in areas of dense housing with only street parking,,what planet are they on..BUSBY..
 
busby said:
Bloody EXPERTS again,,should think this was dreamed up by a group of academics who have probably never ventured out of their London bubble since attending university,,It will never happen,,first we dont have the power stations and the charging points will never be provided in areas of dense housing with only street parking,,what planet are they on..BUSBY..
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No but we do have rather a lot of hydrogen, i just can't think where?
 
SpeedyDux said:
Looking at the trusty loophole detector, there's a fortune to be made by importing RHD nearly new/used hybrid or ICE cars and vans from Japan after 2035.

What really annoys me is the groupthink that prioritises expansion of cheap air travel and keeping jet fuel tax-exempt. Unacceptable IMO.

On a related Green issue, did you also see the proposal to rip out all domestic gas boilers? Currently there are an estimated 10,000 premature deaths from hypothermia every winter. Electric tariffs are roughly 3x gas tariffs for the equivalent Kw hour. How can people on low incomes afford to heat their homes using electricity only.
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You cant argue with EXPERTS,,because they know nothing,,BUSBY.

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