Gas bottles and payload

[Jake Royd]

Quick question.
Are gas bottles part of payload?
Thinking of upgrading mine from 2x6kg to 11kg.
Tia.

 

[2657]

Quick question.
Are gas bottles part of payload?
Thinking of upgrading mine from 2x6kg to 11kg.
Tia.

If it's on the van it is part of the payload!

Theoretical payloads have no meaning, the only weight that matters is the one that is measured.

 

[Zigisla]

Payload is normally the term given to all the added extras after basic fit and manufacturers and dealers are notorious for over exaggerating how much "Payload" you have. However, as @matamoros has stated above, the only figure you really need is your final weight and the weight over each axle. If you know this, then payload is immaterial and you just subtract 6 x 6Kg and add 1 x 11Kg. Just keep below your max gross weight

 

[icantremember]

Quick question.
Are gas bottles part of payload?
Thinking of upgrading mine from 2x6kg to 11kg.
Tia.

Yes, everything has to be accounted for in the GVW.

If you want to upgrade to 11Kg cylinders look into Alugas, which being aluminium are about the same weight as 6Kg steel cylinders.

 

[Jake Royd]

Yes, everything has to be accounted for in the GVW.

If you want to upgrade to 11Kg cylinders look into Alugas, which being aluminium are about the same weight as 6Kg steel cylinders.

Thanks

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[Minxy]

Don't forget that as well as the different weight of 6kg to 11kg bottles you'll be putting more gas in as well so that will reduce the payload.

 

[Zigisla]

Thinking of upgrading mine from 2x6kg to 11kg.
Tia.

Don't forget that as well as the different weight of 6kg to 11kg bottles you'll be putting more ??? gas in as well so that will reduce the payload.

Back to School via Specsavers Mrs

 

[Puddleduck]

2 x 6kg to 1 x 11kg or 2 x 11kg ??

Anyway it's all got be weighed.

 

[138go]

Everything you add on top of the basic MH / Van is payload. Water, Diesel, Awning, Wife, Driver, Dog, Cat, Food, Bedding, Bikes, Bike Rack, Full Gas Bottles as well as all the food in the fridge. Only way to make sure you are safe is to get it weighed with everything in. You need front axle weight, rear axle weight and total weight.

 

[Minxy]

Back to School via Specsavers Mrs

I assume that the OP is changing 2 x 6kg for 2 x 11kg, otherwise why go to all the expense to have LESS gas?

@Jake Royd please clarify!

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[two]

Are you asking about MIRO (mass in running order)?
Manufacturers want to present as low a weight as possible for MIRO and all seem to use a different definition. I think they all include one gas bottle, but it's usually an Aluminium one to keep it as light as possible.
MIRO includes a lonely 75kg driver (no passenger) some fuel and a few drops of water. Some include a (short?) EHU cable.

 

[mikebeaches]

@matamoros ...just subtract 6 x 6Kg and add 1 x 11Kg. Just keep below your max gross weight

Blimey, 6 x 6kg would affect your payload... .

 

[Zigisla]

Blimey, 6 x 6kg would affect your payload... .

and then I had a go at @Minxy Girl for not reading propa. Too much editing original post.

 

[RowleyBirkinQC]

We ditched 2 x 6kg Calor for 1 x 14kg Alugas.

 

[Manic]

Yes they are part of the payload and if tight on payload, look at Alugas bottles.

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[Newfie]

You could get a 10kg safefill as these are half the weight & refillable

 

[Pausim]

Are you asking about MIRO (mass in running order)?
Manufacturers want to present as low a weight as possible for MIRO and all seem to use a different definition. I think they all include one gas bottle, but it's usually an Aluminium one to keep it as light as possible.
MIRO includes a lonely 75kg driver (no passenger) some fuel and a few drops of water. Some include a (short?) EHU cable.

All manufacturers should be following the EU definition of MIRO which I believe is broadly:
“The weight in a roadworthy condition is determined by ordinance (EU) no. 1230/2012 incl. basic equipment (driver 75 kg, 90% fuel, 20 l fresh water, 1 aluminium gas bottle and electrical connecting cables) in the standard configuration.”

 

[Jake Royd]

Thanks for your replies.
Yes , I mean 2x6kg existing planning 2x11kg.
Best for me to get weighbridge masses then work out if I can allow this upgrade.

 

[canopus]

Silly question, but have you checked 2 x 11kg's will fit in your locker? This often the reason why you only have 2 x 6kg's. As has already been mentioned 1 x 14kg refillable Alugas would suffice or maybe 1 x 6kg + 1 x 11kg refillable's.

 

[Speve]

Remember 6 kg bottles hold about 12lts gas =12kg

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[Pausim]

Remember 6 kg bottles hold about 12lts gas =12kg

I thought liquid propane was about half the weight of water.

 

[Speve]

You May be correct but I have always based a litre of liquid approx 1kg to be on safe side

 

[2657]

Remember 6 kg bottles hold about 12lts gas =12kg

Surprisingly a 6Kg bottle of gas holds 6kg of gas, which is around 12 litres

If you are 'filling' a 6kg bottle with 6 litres then it is only half full

 

[Pausim]

You May be correct but I have always based a litre of liquid approx 1kg to be on safe side

1KG LPG = 1.96 Litres.

 

[Speve]

Surprisingly a 6Kg bottle of gas holds 6kg of gas, which is around 12 litres

If you are 'filling' a 6kg bottle with 6 litres then it is only half full

Yes as I said I was not certain but I have twin 11kg refillable bottles and get around 22ltrs per cylinder never have weighed them but always have allowed my theory when loading van to be on safe side.
A 6kg cylinder full weighs approx 15-17 kg according to calor.

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[DDJC]

I use GasLight (BP fibreglass bottles) on a 28mm clip on valve (not an regulator obv)

10 kg BP Gas (filled weight 15.4kg)
5 kg BP Gas (filled weight 8.7kg)

Problem is of course, availability. Flogas and Homebase in UK, but apart from isolated sightings in Spain, I doubt you will find it in Yerp.

 

[Zigisla]

Yes as I said I was not certain but I have twin 11kg refillable bottles and get around 22ltrs per cylinder never have weighed them but always have allowed my theory when loading van to be on safe side.
A 6kg cylinder full weighs approx 15-17 kg according to calor.

That will be the bottle weight plus the liquid weight.
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/lpg-litre-to-kg-conversion.146329/.

 

[Minxy]

Don't forget that as well as the different weight of 6kg to 11kg bottles you'll be putting more gas in as well so that will reduce the payload.

Back to School via Specsavers Mrs

I assume that the OP is changing 2 x 6kg for 2 x 11kg, otherwise why go to all the expense to have LESS gas?

@Jake Royd please clarify!

Yes , I mean 2x6kg existing planning 2x11kg.

and then I had a go at @Minxy Girl for not reading propa. Too much editing original post.

I was right ....

 

[Zigisla]

I was right ....

Nobody likes a gloating winner

 

[Speve]

That will be the bottle weight plus the liquid weight.
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/lpg-litre-to-kg-conversion.146329/.

That’s what I said