For those thinking of using P&O Ferries (2 Viewers)

[Brains]

Just a reminder for those thinking of using P&O Ferries to cross over to the mainland.

Two years ago they sacked all their UK staff, so that they could employ non-EU/UK residents at less than half the cost
(It was a "Brexit benefit" to P&O management as the ships were no longer trading EU to EU, but let's not go there.)

It has now been found here they are not even paying half minimum wage.
The loophole they used as a 'short term' gain, has really paid off, as two years later, they are still getting away with it.

I promised two years ago, that as long as P&O Ferries remains managed by DP Word of Dubai, that I would not use their services, no matter how cheap they make the crossings.
I'm keeping to my promise.

Will YOU promise too?

(It should be noted P&O Cruises is under different management)

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Just a reminder for those thinking of using P&O Ferries to cross over to the mainland.

Two years ago they sacked all their UK staff, so that they could employ non-EU/UK residents at less than half the cost
(It was a "Brexit benefit" to P&O management as the ships were no longer trading EU to EU, but let's not go there.)

It has now been found here they are not even paying half minimum wage.
The loophole they used as a 'short term' gain, has really paid off, as two years later, they are still getting away with it.

I promised two years ago, that as long as P&O Ferries remains managed by DP Word of Dubai, that I would not use their services, no matter how cheap they make the crossings.
I'm keeping to my promise.

Will YOU promise too?

(It should be noted P&O Cruises is under different management)

That is non news to be honest. They are paying ITF seaman rates which is the same as most of their competitors are doing. P&O cruises pay similarly, as do the other cruise companies.

I am no fan of P&O as they did the same thing to us in the commercial fleet in 1984 by flagging all the ships out and offering inferior contracts. It is nothing new and how the world’s merchant fleets have operated for many years

 

[Parrot Face]

I promise.

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[BouncyBoatFolk]

Me, my motto is "Won't Go P&O".
Not sure if this topic belongs in this area though
Mike.

 

[JockandRita]

I promised two years ago, that as long as P&O Ferries remains managed by DP Word of Dubai, that I would not use their services, no matter how cheap they make the crossings.
I'm keeping to my promise.

Will YOU promise too?

I've stuck to my guns so far re P&O Ferries, and will continue to do so for as long as is practically possible.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[rb62]

Yesterdays news,

P&O Ferries……. disgusting!

Just read an article on an itv news feed that P&O are STILL paying their crew less than £5 an hour!!!! This after sacking 800 of their uk based crew. We should boycott P&O 😡

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

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[VXman]

How do they compare to the Dover crossings in the pay stakes? Are Irish ferries paying a better wage? DFDS? I doubt it. I always use Irish ferries as generally I have sound them to cheapest of the three. Are you suggesting they pay their staff better? If so, how do they do it, especially consider whenever I go they seem to be empty.

I think the alternative was for P & O to go bust - would that have been any better for their staff?

The staff I see on these ferries seem happy - They could could easily get better paid jobs elsewhere if they wanted. Why do they stay if they are paid £5 an hour? Something doesn't make sense.

 

[Silver-Fox]

That is non news to be honest. They are paying ITF seaman rates which is the same as most of their competitors are doing. P&O cruises pay similarly, as do the other cruise companies.

I am no fan of P&O as they did the same thing to us in the commercial fleet in 1984 by flagging all the ships out and offering inferior contracts. It is nothing new and how the world’s merchant fleets have operated for many years

As you say flagged in a different Country so whatever the UK minimum wage is irrelevant in law.

 

[dazandandrea]

As far as i can make out for as long as peoplecare happy to work for that much they will still be employing people.
Its only when the employment pool dries up that they will stuggle.
Ill generally use the cheapest supplier and unless i see their staff being flogged or abused ill carry on.

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[funflair]

As far as i can make out for as long as peoplecare happy to work for that much they will still be employing people.
Its only when the employment pool dries up that they will stuggle.
Ill generally use the cheapest supplier and unless i see their staff being flogged or abused ill carry on.

Just booked P&O out of Hull (no alternative anyway) I will keep an eye open and let you know if I see any flogging

 

[Gellyneck]

Just booked P&O out of Hull (no alternative anyway) I will keep an eye open and let you know if I see any flogging

but will you be the flogger or flogee?

 

[Tombola]

Let's all boycott them...everyone...then they have no customers..and finish all the staff.

Yeh great idea.


Not.really, it won't make one bit of difference to them, but if it makes you feel better go for it.

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[Coolcats]

Just a reminder for those thinking of using P&O Ferries to cross over to the mainland.

Two years ago they sacked all their UK staff, so that they could employ non-EU/UK residents at less than half the cost
(It was a "Brexit benefit" to P&O management as the ships were no longer trading EU to EU, but let's not go there.)

It has now been found here they are not even paying half minimum wage.
The loophole they used as a 'short term' gain, has really paid off, as two years later, they are still getting away with it.

I promised two years ago, that as long as P&O Ferries remains managed by DP Word of Dubai, that I would not use their services, no matter how cheap they make the crossings.
I'm keeping to my promise.

Will YOU promise too?

(It should be noted P&O Cruises is under different management)

We don’t use P&O
We don’t use Tesla
We don’t use Amazon
We don’t use Dyson
We don’t use Google

I could go on but people would get bored we try and shop ethically and support companies that have an ethical base.

 

[Coolcats]

Let's all boycott them...everyone...then they have no customers..and finish all the staff.

Yeh great idea.


Not.really, it won't make one bit of difference to them, but if it makes you feel better go for it.

We can all choose where we spend and don’t spend our £

 

[Tombola]

We can all choose where we spend and don’t spend our £

Of course...it goes both ways..(you don't use amazon? WOW) and don't use Google...I'll guarantee you defo use and generate money for Google...you just don't know it.

but the original post did more than that...

Will YOU..

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[chaser]

We don’t use P&O
We don’t use Tesla
We don’t use Amazon
We don’t use Dyson
We don’t use Google

I could go on but people would get bored we try and shop ethically and support companies that have an ethical base.

When do you check the firms out ?
When I go and buy something I just buy it never ever think who or what is selling it.

 

[scotjimland]

It may not affect you , but one day you, or one of your family, may be fired by video message and your job given to a low paid foreign agency worker..

Turn a blind eye and keep supporting this company ... it doesn't affect you.. your choice.

When this happened I vowed never to set foot on a PO ferry again.. I haven't and I wont..

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me.

By Martin Niemöller

 

[Coolcats]

Of course...it goes both ways..(you don't use amazon? WOW) and don't use Google...I'll guarantee you defo use and generate money for Google...you just don't know it.

but the original post did more than that...

Will YOU..

There are alternatives to Google such as duck duck go, the realist in me understands that I may cross paths with Google and that Amazon dominate the web storage market (AWS) but I won’t buy from Amazon and I won’t use Google deliberately

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[Coolcats]

When do you check the firms out ?
When I go and buy something I just buy it never ever think who or what is selling it.

That’s what they want to happen it’s about values and ethics.

 

[dally]

We won't use P&O again. It's not about the wages, it's about binning the UK workforce in the way they did. If we don't do something, however small, it'll continue to happen to others, including our own.
It's a constant erosion of works rights. If we keep allowing the likes of P&O to keep pushing the boundaries then it won't be long before we have no workers rights. I'm thinking about how it's going to be for our grandchildren and to be honest, it worries me.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

There are alternatives to Google such as duck duck go, the realist in me understands that I may cross paths with Google and that Amazon dominate the web storage market (AWS) but I won’t buy from Amazon and I won’t use Google deliberately

I like duckduck go (obvious reasons) but find it very US centric but good for my AI stuff

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[DuxDeluxe]

We won't use P&O again. It's not about the wages, it's about binning the UK workforce in the way they did. If we don't do something, however small, it'll continue to happen to others, including our own.
It's a constant erosion of works rights. If we keep allowing the likes of P&O to keep pushing the boundaries then it won't be long before we have no workers rights. I'm thinking about how it's going to be for our grandchildren and to be honest, it worries me.

They did the same to me in 1984, but the ITF actually have teeth and anyone violating it falls foul of port state control. Plus ships are subject to rigorous inspections as P&O found out earlier to their cost.

 

[Tombola]

I won’t use Google deliberately

thats better

like you say each to their own

 

[chaser]

It was probably a case of pay less money or go out of business, then no one would even be getting the fiver.

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[Coolcats]

I like duckduck go (obvious reasons) but find it very US centric but good for my AI stuff

Most of the browser stuff is US centric we have allowed them to do this despite Tim Bernard’s Lee

 

[Coolcats]

thats better

like you say each to their own

I will steer clear of the Google world and if people had any sense they would too.

 

[Coolcats]

It was probably a case of pay less money or go out of business, then no one would even be getting the fiver.

Here is the thing the bosses get paid more and more, the peasants as they see them get less and less and consumers want to pay as little as possible the casualty is the worker.

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[chaser]

Here is the thing the bosses get paid more and more, the peasants as they see them get less and less and consumers want to pay as little as possible the casualty is the worker.

Why don't you go and tell those workers to leave then, see how much notice they take.

 

[Coolcats]

Why don't you go and tell those workers to leave then, see how much notice they take.

Think you may find for an overseas worker it is ‘sufficient’ money but my guess is none will be British or EU. Now if your ok with overseas workers taking on work at that pay in place of British and EU workers it’s a sad day so I agree with the OP we should just boycott the ships.

 

[chaser]

Think you may find for an overseas worker it is ‘sufficient’ money but my guess is none will be British or EU. Now if your ok with overseas workers taking on work at that pay in place of British and EU workers it’s a sad day so I agree with the OP we should just boycott the ships.

The whole country is over run with foreign workers, why should these be any different when they don't even get off here.
How much is your average parcel delivery guy getting, not much more ill bet

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