90 days in 180 (2 Viewers)

[spitfire]

Just as an aside as friends with a holiday home near us have just disembarked in Newcastle. They were asked to show the new entry form and were also asked how much alcohol they had and as they had a fair few boxes were told you will not be allowed this amount after 'that word we dont mention lol"Interesting not sure if others have had the same warning. Its two years since I was last in the UK so have no recent contact with immigration or customs or are they one in the same ?

 

[OldCodger]

You were following on from Gus saying 90 days in one EU country then move to another, so I thought you were talking about the same - sorry

No problem

 

[DavidMarsh]

We have a home in Spain which we visit twice a year if in good health. Generally we go for the months of March, April and May. Then we are back home to the wonders of Lancashire for June, July and August for our wonderful summer. We normally go over to our home in Spain again for September, October and November to charge ourselves up for the wintertime which we spend oop north. Hopefully, when summat has been sorted out between the EU and the UK we will be able to continue doing what has become a part of our daily life. We do use our motorhome for the travelling via Portsmouth-Bilbao and take our time, after a few days in the house over in Spain we generally go off somewhere in the motorhome for a bit of a holiday. I enjoyed our travels way way before we became members of The Common Market and it was no problem at all. I was involved in the operation of a large coach company doing business all over Europe, again pre Common Market days and it was no problem at all. Hopefully we will be able to enjoy these times for the foreseeable future.

 

[2657]

Just as an aside as friends with a holiday home near us have just disembarked in Newcastle. They were asked to show the new entry form and were also asked how much alcohol they had and as they had a fair few boxes were told you will not be allowed this amount after 'that word we dont mention lol"Interesting not sure if others have had the same warning. Its two years since I was last in the UK so have no recent contact with immigration or customs or are they one in the same ?

I think the 'Border Force' and HMRC are 2 separate entities, lots of 'spooks' watching when you disembark.

 

[Molly A]

Untill UK and EU finish negotiating no one will know what happens on Jan 1 2021 so why speculate and worry.Whatever the outcome we will find out eventually
BUSBY

The only thing under discussion right now is a trade deal. The freedom of movement issue has already been decided. 90 days in 180...that's your lot. Thanks Brexiteers for removing the freedoms which underpin the way that many of us choose to lead our lives.

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[Molly A]

We have a home in Spain which we visit twice a year if in good health. Generally we go for the months of March, April and May. Then we are back home to the wonders of Lancashire for June, July and August for our wonderful summer. We normally go over to our home in Spain again for September, October and November to charge ourselves up for the wintertime which we spend oop north. Hopefully, when summat has been sorted out between the EU and the UK we will be able to continue doing what has become a part of our daily life. We do use our motorhome for the travelling via Portsmouth-Bilbao and take our time, after a few days in the house over in Spain we generally go off somewhere in the motorhome for a bit of a holiday. I enjoyed our travels way way before we became members of The Common Market and it was no problem at all. I was involved in the operation of a large coach company doing business all over Europe, again pre Common Market days and it was no problem at all. Hopefully we will be able to enjoy these times for the foreseeable future.

As it stands right now, you will not.

 

[Tykatem]

As it stands right now, you will not.

He complies with the 90/180 ruling, so why not?

Pete

 

[spitfire]

The only thing under discussion right now is a trade deal. The freedom of movement issue has already been decided. 90 days in 180...that's your lot. Thanks Brexiteers for removing the freedoms which underpin the way that many of us choose to lead our lives.

This has been said over and over . Trade is the only discussion and sticking point .

 

[gus-lopez]

Just as an aside as friends with a holiday home near us have just disembarked in Newcastle. They were asked to show the new entry form and were also asked how much alcohol they had and as they had a fair few boxes were told you will not be allowed this amount after 'that word we dont mention lol"Interesting not sure if others have had the same warning. Its two years since I was last in the UK so have no recent contact with immigration or customs or are they one in the same ?

I've never been asked about anything by anyone when enetering the UK? I drive off the ferry around the port & out? Then again I've never had the steering wheel swabbed or dogs sniffing around.

He complies with the 90/180 ruling, so why not?

Pete

No he doesn't.
In spain march april ,may = 90 days .
june july agust = UK = 90 days
On 1st september when he wants to go again he has to count back 180 days , which brings him to the 1st March, roughly, & if he has been in the EU for 90 days then he cannot enter until 1st december.
So no he cannot enter.
It isn't 90 days in every 180 but a maximum of 90 in a rolling 180.

 

[Rob Hammond]

The only thing under discussion right now is a trade deal. The freedom of movement issue has already been decided. 90 days in 180...that's your lot. Thanks Brexiteers for removing the freedoms which underpin the way that many of us choose to lead our lives.

A very tiny minority

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[busby]

The only thing under discussion right now is a trade deal. The freedom of movement issue has already been decided. 90 days in 180...that's your lot. Thanks Brexiteers for removing the freedoms which underpin the way that many of us choose to lead our lives.

Think you know much more than The Media then,,must be a mole in the negotiations..I will wait and see.. BUSBY.

 

[sallylillian]

This has been said over and over . Trade is the only discussion and sticking point .

So not fishing then? Not level playing field gov support? Not financial passporting? etc etc.

 

[orridge]

So not fishing then? Not level playing field gov support? Not financial passporting? etc etc.

These are all Goods and Services being discussed under an FTA. Travel/People are not

 

[philann]

I've never been asked about anything by anyone when enetering the UK? I drive off the ferry around the port & out? Then again I've never had the steering wheel swabbed or dogs sniffing around.

No he doesn't.
In spain march april ,may = 90 days .
june july agust = UK = 90 days
On 1st september when he wants to go again he has to count back 180 days , which brings him to the 1st March, roughly, & if he has been in the EU for 90 days then he cannot enter until 1st december.
So no he cannot enter.
It isn't 90 days in every 180 but a maximum of 90 in a rolling 180.

but on the 2 September he will still be only 90 days as the 1 March drops off. So as it is a rolling 90 days in any 180 if you have done a block of 90 days then stay in the UK for 90 that is your 90/180 and you can then go back.
As you reach day 181 after the start of the first 90 you can stay for 1 day and after day 182 you can stay another day and so on. As long as you are out of Schengen for the 90 days you are OK.

 

[Coolcats]

i think weve tried that method obviously you wasnt trying to earn a living through the three day week and power cuts

Like everything it’s not a perfect world some here are benefitting from final salary pensions a benefit many won’t have in the future

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[Neodave]

I've never been asked about anything by anyone when enetering the UK? I drive off the ferry around the port & out? Then again I've never had the steering wheel swabbed or dogs sniffing around.

No he doesn't.
In spain march april ,may = 90 days .
june july agust = UK = 90 days
On 1st september when he wants to go again he has to count back 180 days , which brings him to the 1st March, roughly, & if he has been in the EU for 90 days then he cannot enter until 1st december.
So no he cannot enter.
It isn't 90 days in every 180 but a maximum of 90 in a rolling 180.

Hi Gus, what happens if he goes on say the 10th September does he not lose days off the front of his March visit thereby taking it below 90 days in the previous 180. Very convoluted system I think.

 

[Neodave]

Sorry Philann already got in before me.

 

[Tykatem]

No he doesn't.
In spain march april ,may = 90 days .
june july agust = UK = 90 days
On 1st september when he wants to go again he has to count back 180 days , which brings him to the 1st March, roughly, & if he has been in the EU for 90 days then he cannot enter until 1st december.
So no he cannot enter.
It isn't 90 days in every 180 but a maximum of 90 in a rolling 180.

Yes he does! One needs to check and understand the following!....

90/180 Schengen Visa Rule
The 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period.

Schengen Calculator - Calculate Your Legal Short-Stay in Europe

Schengen Calculator for Visa-Free visitors and holders of multiple entry visas valid for six months and with 90 days of permitted duration of stay.

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Pete

 

[spitfire]

So not fishing then? Not level playing field gov support? Not financial passporting? etc etc.

Which is all trade in its various forms

 

[EdwardFT]

But in different ways. the Uk resident can only have 90/180 in all schengen. The permanent foreign resident with TIE can have 90 days in one eu state then 90 in next door etc; exactly the same as now.

Where did you find that, please? My interpretation was that permanent residence in one Schengen country gave you as much time as you like in that country obviously, plus the equivalent of a Schengen visa for the rest of Schengen, I.e. 90/180 for all of Schengen outside your country of residence. Not for each other Schengen country separately. I wish!

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[Boris7]

Hopefully the final deal will allow free travel (we’ll need to wait and see)

if not my Paddy pass will work fine and swmbo can sit home waiting for post cards

 

[busby]

Yeah. But we all do!

No we don't,Worry is just like a Rocking Horse,,,it gives you something to do BUT it gets you nowhere.BUSBY

 

[busby]

These are all Goods and Services being discussed under an FTA. Travel/People are not

Are you in these meetings or are you getting this information from the media? BUSBY.

 

[jumartoo]

Am I doing it wrong??

 

[orridge]

Are you in these meetings or are you getting this information from the media? BUSBY.

Er no its all published here what is and is not being discussed https://ec.europa.eu/info/index_en under future EU-UK relationship for all to see.

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[jumartoo]

A different calculator, tells you the next earliest date of entry.

 

[Tykatem]

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Am I doing it wrong??

No it's telling you that the dates shown are ok

Pete

 

[Carpmart]

So in layman terms, if I wish to be in Europe for Spring and Autumn for 90 day trips and I break each of these trips up with a 90 day period back in the UK, is this workable under the terms we anticipate will be introduced?

 

[Tykatem]

So in layman terms, if I wish to be in Europe for Spring and Autumn for 90 day trips and I break each of these trips up with a 90 day period back in the UK, is this workable under the terms we anticipate will be introduced?

Yes!

Pete

 

[gus-lopez]

Yes he does! One needs to check and understand the following!....

Yes apologies it is me getting confused with what it used to be years ago.

Where did you find that, please? My interpretation was that permanent residence in one Schengen country gave you as much time as you like in that country obviously, plus the equivalent of a Schengen visa for the rest of Schengen, I.e. 90/180 for all of Schengen outside your country of residence. Not for each other Schengen country separately. I wish!

Permanent residency under EU rules in excess of 5 years made you the same as a national without the passport. You retain exactly the same rights that you had before under the withdrawal agreement(WA).
I specifically asked the question of the Policia Nacional on 3 seperate occasions to be told each time that i was exactly the same as a national of any EU state who could stay for up to 90 consecutive days in another state & the reset the clock by going in to another.
I had the A4 green residency sheet but obviously whilst there is no requirement to change to the new EU wide identity card the benefits are multiple.
On the spanish TIE it is biometric, holds full details including fingerprints, allows you to cross borders into other eu states without needing a passport.
I've no idea about other countries but under EU directives the card should be exactly the same as the one I have just got accept stating what country it was issued by.
The other thing , & pointed out at the police station is that as a permanent resident in spain If I travelled into France who would know how long I had been there as there are no borders & the production of the card shows basically that I am spanish but without the passport.

Here is the Moncloa( spanish parliament day to day records) showing that travel without a passport & with the card alone is ok.
https://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/brexit/howtoprepare/Paginas/190108residence.aspx


**However, obtaining this residence document, which complies with a model established at a European level and which expressly mentions the holder's status as beneficiary of the Withdrawal Agreement, is very useful, as it is a physical card that includes biometric elements that will allow many administrative procedures to be carried out, including crossing foreign borders within the European Union. **

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