90 days in 180 (1 Viewer)

[Northernraider]

Want 180 days stay? sign this :

Petition: Negotiate more favorable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens

From 1st January 2021, U.K. citizens travelling to the EU will only be allowed to stay a maximum of 90 days in every 6 month period. The government must negotiate reciprocal treatment for its U.K. citizens, meaning allowing stays of atleast 180 consecutive days.

petition.parliament.uk

Thats doing well lol

 

[Littlewheels]

It’s only just been launched give it time.

 

[OldCodger]

It’s only just been launched give it time.

This isn’t our rule this is Europe’s. It applies to all non-EU Citizens. Our Parliament has no say.

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[The Wino]

This isn’t our rule this is Europe’s. It applies to all non-EU Citizens. Our Parliament has no say.

Its also what we voted for.

 

[Drexxer]

Its also what we voted for.

 

[Littlewheels]

This isn’t our rule this is Europe’s. It applies to all non-EU Citizens. Our Parliament has no say.

It doesn’t stop the need to negotiate a longer stay which is what the Petition is about.

l don’t recall voting for a 90/180 travel option.

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[OldCodger]

It doesn’t stop the need to negotiate a longer stay which is what the Petition is about.

l don’t recall voting for a 90/180 travel option.

I suspect there will be higher priorities that get government time ahead of this. Brexit may now be final but it is far from done , there’s a ton of work to be done getting things moving smoothly.

And although the majority voted for this I certainly did not.

I understand democracy, we are on the path chosen by the most voters and I will be behind any efforts to make it work, you won’t find me moaning about European rules and how unfair they are to brits. I will be trying to understand those rules and work within them. They are after all a sovereign group. They have the right to set the rules that suit them as do we.

Dismissing reality doesn’t make it any less real.

 

[Coolcats]

It doesn’t stop the need to negotiate a longer stay which is what the Petition is about.

l don’t recall voting for a 90/180 travel option.

There are a lot of things people will realise they did not vote for including the lorry park being built in Kent which the locals are quite upset about.

No one told us or listed everything that would change and when people were outlining this it was called project fear.

Now we have left Europe we must accept the changes and petitions like this whilst legitimate will probably go nowhere for a while. So we have to get on with what we are left with and create a Different future for ourselves.

Be kind be considerate and above all have fun.

 

[MisterB]

Something else to consider from the French tax man!



Pete

and if you own a second property in the UK you also pay capital gains tax on your profit (aswell as increased stamp duty when you first purchase one)

interestingly though, i wonder if there is a provision in France to transfer a loss to another property - though as very few have more than one property, then perhaps not so interesting. What i am sure of is that those who can afford it, will be helped to find a way of not paying .......

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[Littlewheels]

Thats doing well lol

It’s only just been launched give it time.

The Petition has grown by 800 in the Last 20 hours so it has got momentum.

 

[peterc10]

I am struggling to understand the use of the word "reciprocal" in this petition. AFAIK the 90 in 180 applies both ways. If so that is reciprocal. Or have I got that wrong?

In any event, as others have said, the UK no longer has any say in EU rules, so our parliament has no say in this. Better to petition the European parliament not ours, if you want this changed. And good luck with that!

People who live or spend long periods of time in Spain etc had, and I think still have for a little while at least, the opportunity to apply for residency there. As I understand it, that was supposed to be what they should do anyway, even when we were in the EU

 

[Abgs]

Something else to consider from the French tax man!



Pete

Great story, but it's not quite a black and white as that...

Firstly ... you have to have made a profit on the sale of your second home after allowable expenses have been deducted. The French housing market is not like the UK. You are unlikely to see a massive uptick in the value of your house unless you bought in a real property hot-spot. Most of the Brits I know who bought in France have done so in rural areas. Generally it's pretty good going if you get your money back after 10 or 15 years of ownership.

Secondly ... there is a system of taper relief depending on the length of time you have owned the property. This starts at 6 years and the GCT payable discount level increases annually. After 22 years the relief is 100% so no CGT, for CDS (Nat Insurance if effect) it is 30 years. Details here.

However if you are letting your second home in France for holiday rentals AND your are a UK (are therefore non EU) resident you will notice your CDS rate increase this year. However, if you claim all the reliefs and play by the rules it's not that onerous. As a rule of thumb if you are registered tourism provider you will pay about 10% of gross income to the French tax man for Tax and CDS.

And ... of course as a UK resident, any rental gains or sale profits have to be declared to the UK tax man. You will then be assessed under UK rules for that income and will quite likely find you have more tax to pay in the UK even after the dual taxation treaty has been applied.

You then realise than French tax rates are generally lower but even more so if you are a French tax resident.

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[chopper602]

So if I enter France the 90 day clock is ticking. I keep driving and leave the schengen zone does the clock stop until I re-enter (how will they know?)? Often we've been waved through without any exam of a passport . . .

 

[Coolcats]

So if I enter France the 90 day clock is ticking. I keep driving and leave the schengen zone does the clock stop until I re-enter (how will they know?)? Often we've been waved through without any exam of a passport . . .

ANPR for starters plus the ferry/ tunnel ticket and I cannot imagine for one moment that at a country’s boarders even if no customs post the cameras will be watching and linking your MoHo to a database.

 

[jumartoo]

So if I enter France the 90 day clock is ticking. I keep driving and leave the schengen zone does the clock stop until I re-enter (how will they know?)? Often we've been waved through without any exam of a passport . . .

If you leave the Schengen area the onus will be on you to prove it. You need to insist on an entrance and exit stamp. Otherwise you'll have a lovely time trying to explain in a language not native to you!

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[MisterB]

So if I enter France the 90 day clock is ticking. I keep driving and leave the schengen zone does the clock stop until I re-enter (how will they know?)? Often we've been waved through without any exam of a passport . . .

if you leave the schengen zone, the 180 day clock is still ticking, though the 90 day one might not be if you can get a stamp on your passport to prove it .....

 

[Garry - June]

As others have said if you are ever stopped in Europe the onus is on the individual to prove where they have been and how long for...so passport stamps or at the very least a purchase receipt for fuel or provisions..

 

[2657]

if you leave the schengen zone, the 180 day clock is still ticking, though the 90 day one might not be if you can get a stamp on your passport to prove it .....

Please explain how the 'rolling' 180 day period stops rolling?
Passports will be scanned on entry and exit from the Schengen zone so why the need for stamps?

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[MisterB]

Please explain how the 'rolling' 180 day period stops rolling?
Passports will be scanned on entry and exit from the Schengen zone so why the need for stamps?

Erm, I didn't say it did ...I said it keeps ticking .... As for scans and stamps, if you get stopped by gendarmes I imagine it would be easier to demonstrate compliance at the scene of the stop rather than suggest they contact border control. But hey, if you don't want to get your passport stamped, then just ask them not too ....
Gendarme -
Monsieur, your passport shows you entered the EU 96 days ago,

Me, yes but it also shows I left the EU for 30 days from .....to...... therefore I have not exceeded 90 days in the EU.

You - well if you contact border control it will show I left the EU for 30 days etc etc ...

I wonder who will be on their way quicker ??

And if the gendarmes don't ask either of us, then neither of us will be delayed.

 

[2657]

Erm, I didn't say it did ...I said it keeps ticking .... As for scans and stamps, if you get stopped by gendarmes I imagine it would be easier to demonstrate compliance at the scene of the stop rather than suggest they contact border control. But hey, if you don't want to get your passport stamped, then just ask them not too ....
Gendarme -
Monsieur, your passport shows you entered the EU 96 days ago,

Me, yes but it also shows I left the EU for 30 days from .....to...... therefore I have not exceeded 90 days in the EU.

You - well if you contact border control it will show I left the EU for 30 days etc etc ...

I wonder who will be on their way quicker ??

And if the gendarmes don't ask either of us, then neither of us will be delayed.

Sorry but ticking implies ticking away and the 180 days definitely do not tick away they just keep rolling along
I agree with your other comnents re stamps but I care not if my passport is stamped or not.

 

[MisterB]

Sorry but ticking implies ticking away and the 180 days definitely do not tick away they just keep rolling along

If it's not tickin, it's probably turkey ..

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