Well put and you are 100% right Dave ,regards AlfThe majority of these older flagship model Hymers are still trundling around, unlike there British built counterparts from the same era. There used to be lots for sale in Germany at little money and many found there way here to the UK. I think it was Oaktree who first started bringing them in and I do believe thats where JJ acquired his. Those that now own these Sclass Hymers know they are not the fastest or the most frugal MHs on the road, but what compensates for that is the build quality and reliability of these old motorhomes. They were built in a day before the accountants were running the manufactures and when your average German had plenty disposable income. Many of these older quality built models are now finding there way to the old commy block countries where labour is cheap and people have now got a shilling or two to spend on luxuries. They will only go up in price now, unlike your modern MH.