wet belt broke

[rambo]

just had a call for me to sort out a broken ford transht wet belt this will be the 5th i have done ....got to love a ford lol

 

[Figaro]

Are you a mechanic by trade or just a friend everyone wants
Does it wreck the engine when it breaks ?

 

[Richard n Ann]

just had a call for me to sort out a broken ford transht wet belt this will be the 5th i have done ....got to love a ford lol

My Ford 2.2 diesel engine has a cam chain
The engines are so fantastic Peugeot buy them for the Boxer... Or did

 

[Jo662]

just had a call for me to sort out a broken ford transht wet belt this will be the 5th i have done ....got to love a ford lol

A friend of mine has a garage,and he’s done a fair few.
One engine to stay well clear of.

 

[Reallyretired]

My transit has a chain as did my last Mercedes.

 

[pampam]

Funnily enough a couple of months ago i read on here about transits wet belt(didnt know ours had one) but apparently it had ,i immediately got it booked in and changed120,000 miles, £900 i think its cos its 2 litre and not2.2, so thanks to this site i got it done

 

[rambo]

Are you a mechanic by trade or just a friend everyone wants
Does it wreck the engine when it breaks ?

yes but retired at 40 ,12 year ago and got into property but i cant help myself i like workin on tricky shty stuff now and then keeps the brain ticking good.yeah it can write the engine off depending on the worth of the van if its a beat up work van u mite be better off cutting your loss

 

[rambo]

Funnily enough a couple of months ago i read on here about transits wet belt(didnt know ours had one) but apparently it had ,i immediately got it booked in and changed120,000 miles, £900 i think its cos its 2 litre and not2.2, so thanks to this site i got it done

..lol u were lucky ..keep ya oil changes up and go well under the time and millage for a belt change

 

[BusyBuilder Retired]

Fix Or Repair Daily

 

[d95gas]

There seems to be a bit of a downer on Transits with "Wet Belts"........ Not on here I might add, but certainly on other social media channels. Lot of scaremongering going on.

There is no issue with the wet belts as long as you follow the correct guidance by Ford, regarding oil changes and belt changes.

I heard of a couple where they had done nothing really, splash of cheap supermarket oil for top up, then run the engine through 150,000 miles plus, and wondered why the belt gave up the ghost.

I purchased my Transit Custom with just over 30,000 miles on it, and immediately had the belt changed so I could start from day one with it, despite knowing that the previous 30k had been treated with the recommended oils and changes (Was my son's van used for his business), he is a stalwart of the Transit MS-RT, and does follow Ford's guidelines, as do I.

Look after them, and they will serve you well.

I bet there are a few on here with good miles on them, that have looked after them well, and not had issues.

 

[jongood]

There seems to be a bit of a downer on Transits with "Wet Belts"........ Not on here I might add, but certainly on other social media channels. Lot of scaremongering going on.

There is no issue with the wet belts as long as you follow the correct guidance by Ford, regarding oil changes and belt changes.

I heard of a couple where they had done nothing really, splash of cheap supermarket oil for top up, then run the engine through 150,000 miles plus, and wondered why the belt gave up the ghost.

I purchased my Transit Custom with just over 30,000 miles on it, and immediately had the belt changed so I could start from day one with it, despite knowing that the previous 30k had been treated with the recommended oils and changes (Was my son's van used for his business), he is a stalwart of the Transit MS-RT, and does follow Ford's guidelines, as do I.

Look after them, and they will serve you well.

I bet there are a few on here with good miles on them, that have looked after them well, and not had issues.

From what I've seen and read - there is a lot of this on Youtube, mostly by mechanics - its not just the belt failing in the conventional way, its also that as the belt naturally degrades, the inevitable crumb gets into the oilways with predictable results. We know that car makers no longer want their products to last but some of these wet belts arent even making it out of the warranty period.

I suppose thats the problem with an industry controlled by accountants and constrained by dubious environmental regulations. Even recent camchains are no longer a safe bet as those that decide have reduced the weight of the chains for "to reduce emissions", even previously bullet proof companies like Toyota are being affected.

 

[Realist]

Wet belt system is the worst design ever, why?

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

Even though an engine has a chain drive to the camshaft, this doesn’t mean those are maintenance free. Chain tensioners break or wear (usually have plastic guides), the chains are usually simplex rather than duplex and wear resulting in elongation. BMW, JLR and Peugeot all have issues with chains.

 

[Lenny HB]

There is no issue with the wet belts as long as you follow the correct guidance by Ford, regarding oil changes and belt changes.

That only works if the manufacturer gets it right.

Wet belt change for a Transit was 160,000 miles and they were failing at just over 100,000, change now revised to 100,000.

 

[Hettie's Crew]

My Ford 2.2 diesel engine has a cam chain
The engines are so fantastic Peugeot buy them for the Boxer... Or did

The engine was jointly developed between PSA (Citroen Peugeot) and Ford, because Ford was so useless at solely developing and producing one of their own.
Fords collaboration (dependence) on PSA (Stellantis) goes back to the 70’s/80’s.

 

[Widge]

The engine was jointly developed between PSA (Citroen Peugeot) and Ford, because Ford was so useless at solely developing and producing one of their own.

The usual reason for joint collaboration between vehicle manufacturers is cost, why invent the wheel twice, and when it comes to body shells, two different companys, different models, but can duplicate on a lot of the crash tests to ensure that the body survives ok.

 

[Pausim]

From what I've seen and read - there is a lot of this on Youtube, mostly by mechanics - its not just the belt failing in the conventional way, its also that as the belt naturally degrades, the inevitable crumb gets into the oilways with predictable results. We know that car makers no longer want their products to last but some of these wet belts arent even making it out of the warranty period.

I suppose thats the problem with an industry controlled by accountants and constrained by dubious environmental regulations. Even recent camchains are no longer a safe bet as those that decide have reduced the weight of the chains for "to reduce emissions", even previously bullet proof companies like Toyota are being affected.

I would have thought the alternative to a wet belt would be a dry belt which has the same weight and noise advantages, not back to a chain. I agree that letting the accountants rule businesses is the problem but I can see the need for reducing pollution and emissions.

 

[Lenny HB]

The engine was jointly developed between PSA (Citroen Peugeot) and Ford, because Ford was so useless at solely developing and producing one of their own.
Fords collaboration (dependence) on PSA (Stellantis) goes back to the 70’s/80’s.

Ford have produced some good engines in the past, it comes down to the finances nearly all manufactures do joint efforts on engines and other parts.

 

[gus-lopez]

Does it wreck the engine when it breaks ?

If the belt snaps you can get away with just a new cam carrier which goes above cylinder head.

If the teeth start to strip off and it continues to run when it finally dies it usually bends the valves, meaning the head has to be repaired/replaced also

 

[Richard n Ann]

It's not just the poor design, it's the hideous cost of maintaining it. Double the cost of a normal belt

 

[chaser]

Takes some understanding what's happened to transits, used to be far and away the most reliable van you could buy , the old banana engine would just go for ever , far longer than the body , who could ever believe they have been overtaken by fiats and Peugeots.
It's a wonder why they are still the most stolen van.

 

[The Wino]

Fix Or Repair Daily

Or buy a Fix It Again Tomorrow! Hardly paragons of reliability look at the recent posts on steering rack electrics problems

 

[TDub49]

My Ford 2.2 diesel engine has a cam chain
The engines are so fantastic Peugeot buy them for the Boxer... Or did

Ditto my Ducato. Ford Pinto Puma diesel complete with cam chain.

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Ford Pinto diesel

 

[TDub49]

Oops - sorry - Ford Puma. Doesn't do to get your Pumas and Pintos confused . . . .

 

[Stoosal]

My 2p worth…..

The most stolen van by percentage of sales is the Peugeot boxer with 7.7 per thousand followed by Ford Transit on 5 and Merc Sprinter on 4.9. Does that assume nobody wants a Fiat ?

According to Fleet news the ten most reliable vans are:

1. Volkswagen
2. Ford
3. Mercedes-Benz
4. Renault
5. Vauxhall
6. Peugeot
7. Toyota
8. Citroen
9. Nissan
10. Maxus

I assume that includes all parts including wet belts.

The cost of the wet belt change is pretty high but that appears to be because the change period has been reduced from ten years to six. It was comparable to Fiat until then. If serviced according to guidelines with correct oil etc then there’s nothing I can find that makes Ford any worse in terms of breakages etc than other manufacturers. My niece has just spent £2500 on her Land Rover discovery as her timing chain plastic guide needed replacing due to general wear.

None of these manufacturers are covering themselves in glory. They are building these vehicles to such fine tolerances that it doesn’t take much to end up with a large invoice or an end of life vehicle. Another sale though……

My local garage deals with all vehicles. I asked the mechanics what van they would buy. Much sucking of teeth and the general conclusion is none of them wanted to buy a new van as they all had issues. Two of them are running older transits with timing chain and no adblue etc as they say they are the most reliable ones on the road. Other views may differ!

 

[PhilG]

Wet belt system is the worst design ever, why?

Because all the emissions hoops that you have to jump through, mean that the resistance of a dry belt is too great.

Its a shit idea, but not one that was done for no reason.

Everything is so marginal, that it makes a difference.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Happened to my brother .

Used transit bought from my friends independent garage. He told them to go to Ford , ford repaired free of charge.

A friend in Spain had a ford pick-up. Same problem. He bought it new from Ford. It was just over 2 years old when it failed.

Despite using the Ford garage for servicing, Ford and the dealer would not pay. They offered a reduced cost from €13,000 to €9,000. He had to get it done.

My wife’s nail technician/beauty lady She had a Peugeot. Bought as a demonstrator. Had servicing done by her dad at correct intervals. Peugeot won’t budge, not a penny.

 

[mitzimad]

ford are accepting claims for wet belt failures lots of conditions have to be met and it only covers engines up to 2019 i think have to be fully serviced with the correct oil on the invoices doesnt have to be main stealer
they have also invite people who had previously been refused help to reapply
the fact that they are accepting engines that have been fully serviced seems to admit liability

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[ChrisL]

Not all camchains last the whole life of the engine, this 1994 Mitsubishi 4M40 engine needed a new one at about 120,000 miles, Mitsubishi changed the supplier after a few years so later ones didn't require this to be done, in the photo you can see the camchain tensioner is fully extended.