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[Innkeeper]

If I was checking a motorhome and had the vin number. Would it tell me the payload?

 

[MikeD]

I suspect the manufacturer or converter would know from the Vin number.

But there should be two plates showing loads.

One from the chassis maker and one from the converter.

 

[Lenny HB]

Only the certificate of conformity will as it will have both MIRO and MAM on it. The difference being the payload.
There will be 2 lines for MIRO the second one being Techinal MIRO which will be the weight including factory fitted options.
You also need to take account of dealer and user fitted extras.

Note: If it has been uprated the C of C will still have the original weights.

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[pappajohn]

The VIN number alone won't.
The VIN plate might,
some do some don't but if it does it won't be accurate.
The plate will tell you the gross (maximum loaded) weight and both axle maximum weights. The gross weight is the important one at this point.

From there is a trip to a weighbridge completely empty except you, some fuel and a bit of water.

Deduct that weight from the plates gross weight, that is your payload.

 

[Mikeco]

There is nothing in print form that will tell you your payload, you have to weigh it either empty or full of the stuff you normally carry.

 

[Puddleduck]

There is nothing in print form that will tell you your payload, you have to weigh it either empty or full of the stuff you normally carry.

And if there was it would be inaccurate and possibly very optimistic!!!!!

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[namwaldog]

You may want to look at this site.....

https://www.vindecoderz.com

I have checked our MH (it isn't just for motorhomes) and it does supply quite a bit of info but I cant see a payload.

The dvla vehicle check will give you a Revenue weight ( the heaviest it can be on the road) of the vehicle .

I think the only info re payload you will find online is the manufacturers figures and as been said on here frequently you cannot rely on them.

I cannot find it at the moment but there is an article on the forum in the form of a spreadsheet (may be in the resources section) that allows you to calculate what payload you will need. I think it was launched 3 or 4 years ago?

Our MH has been updated to 3850kg and we managed 5 months over winter without going close to that. It took a while to sink in with us but you DO NOT need to set of with everything you are going to need for the whole of the trip. There isn't much in the UK that you cannot get in Europe.

Good Luck with your search
Barry

 

[Lenny HB]

There is nothing in print form that will tell you your payload, you have to weigh it either empty or full of the stuff you normally carry.

Read my post #3

 

[Innkeeper]

I suspect the manufacturer or converter would know from the Vin number.

But there should be two plates showing loads.

One from the chassis maker and one from the converter.

The motorhome is being sold by a broker. We asked him to send photos but he said he was 2hrs away from the van. And the owner was old and did think he would manage to find the plates. Bit miffed as we like the van. But it's about a 6/7 hr drive for us to get there. Any ideas

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[Lenny HB]

The motorhome is being sold by a broker. We asked him to send photos but he said he was 2hrs away from the van. And the owner was old and did think he would manage to find the plates. Bit miffed as we like the van. But it's about a 6/7 hr drive for us to get there. Any ideas

Put another thread up asking if there any Funsters near there.

 

[Mikeco]

Read my post #3

Did read it but it will not tell you your payload , read your last line.

 

[MikeD]

The motorhome is being sold by a broker. We asked him to send photos but he said he was 2hrs away from the van. And the owner was old and did think he would manage to find the plates. Bit miffed as we like the van. But it's about a 6/7 hr drive for us to get there. Any ideas

Ask if someone local will visit the owner to view the van - it has worked for others on here

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[pappajohn]

You also need to take account of dealer and user fitted extras.

Which makes the CoC obsolete unless you know what has been fitted and the exact weights.

 

[Lenny HB]

Which makes the CoC obsolete unless you know what has been fitted and the exact weights.

The technical MIRO as I said includes factory fitted options and it is the closest you will get on paper.

 

[pappajohn]

Agreed Lenny, but it could have a towbar, sat dish, four big batteries..... There's another possible 150kg.

Weighbridge IS the only option.

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[Lenny HB]

Agreed Lenny, but it could have a towbar, sat dish, four big batteries..... There's another possible 150kg.

Weighbridge IS the only option.

True but he was asking if there was any paperwork, and thats the closest you can get, then you need to use common sense but no good asking a dealer they haven't a clue.
So the correct answer should have been None.

 

[Innkeeper]

Before I start asking people to check it out for me here are some photos. See if it even worth the bother.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/168089594@N04/albums/72157703911518562

 

[pappajohn]

True but he was asking if there was any paperwork,

Sorry Lenny, he was asking if the VIN would reveal the payload.....no it won't, the VIN identifies the vehicle when it left the factory, not what happened to it afterwards.

If I was checking a motorhome and had the vin number. Would it tell me the payload?

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[Podney]

decided not to answer,so ignore.

 

[Innkeeper]

Just asked some one in the Inn. He said flip or words like that when I quizzed him about payloads. He said he had never weighed his and never been pulled over. His campervan is out side on our drive as I type this. Am I making to much of this

 

[Podney]

Just asked some one in the Inn. He said flip or words like that when I quizzed him about payloads. He said he had never weighed his and never been pulled over. His campervan is out side on our drive as I type this. Am I making to much of this

No. Unless you are happy to drive a vehicle that may be dangerously overloaded,in which case carry on regardless.
Oh,and you might as well have 10 year old tyres as well. And why not go without ever having a habitation check so that your gas leaks...............

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[Pausim]

Whilst the Certificate of Conformity might not tell you the current weights and available payload it does seem like a good starting point. At least you will know what the position was when it left the factory and might feasibly be able to strip it back to if needed. If the payload was insufficient to start with then surely that is worth knowing because you can walk away without further investigation.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

If I was checking a motorhome and had the vin number. Would it tell me the payload?

No

Please dont take this the wrong way, but you keep asking payload questions. The ONLY way to get the payload is to weigh the individual van and sbtract from the MAM on the weight plate under the bonnet

Please dont make the mistake of using brochure specs ( certainly not on vehicles more than a decade old)
Two vehicles could leave the production line with an identical CoC and differ in actual weight by hundreds of kilos

Beware
Get dealer to get off his fat ar** and weigh it before you travel

 

[Lenny HB]

Whilst the Certificate of Conformity might not tell you the current weights and available payload it does seem like a good starting point. At least you will know what the position was when it left the factory and might feasibly be able to strip it back to if needed. If the payload was insufficient to start with then surely that is worth knowing because you can walk away without further investigation.

That is what I was getting at and using a bit of common sense you can get a good estimate.

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[mitzimad]

Log Book shows max weight at 3500 so you need to know it's current weight to determine payload I doubt it's much at 3500 but can probably be updated by 200kgs on paper

 

[Gellyneck]

btw @Innkeeper there's a couple of recent advisories on the 2019 MOT.
And why is the registration number on the 2018 MOT photo different from the one shown on the V5? Both of them being "cherished".

 

[Pausim]

I don’t disagree that weighing the van will allow you to calculate the payload in it’s present state but

Two vehicles could leave the production line with an identical CoC and differ in actual weight by hundreds of kilos

is a bit misleading. There is a legal requirement that the CoC shows the weights within 5% so it does give a reasonable indication of what you should be able to return the van to if you need to.

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[Cheshirecat57]

I don’t disagree that weighing the van will allow you to calculate the payload in it’s present state but

is a bit misleading. There is a legal requirement that the CoC shows the weights within 5% so it does give a reasonable indication of what you should be able to return the van to if you need to.

So if CoC says for example 3000 kgs, the van could actually weigh 2851 kg or 3149 kg, 298kg discrepancy
That was my point to the OP

DVSA would not be interested in “reasonable indication” argument, but I do take on board your point

 

[Lenny HB]

Should have a second line Technical MIRO which will be the ex works MIRO.