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[Ivory55]

Why is it down to local authorities to provide parking for hgv surely it’s the responsibility of the buisness to provide them. Or where would it end, local authorities having to cut the grass on Jim and eddies campsites as they are providing camping places.

 

[Ivory55]

With the amount of money being pledged to various other things by all politicians I can not see there being any money left for hgv parking for many years yet.

 

[tonyidle]

So do patients and their visitors. We have a neighbour who`s hospital appointment overran last month and it cost her £10!!. You can`t factor that into a "state" pension!.

If the hospital is like ours a word with Reception will sort it.

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[tonyidle]

Ivory55
Why is it down to local authorities to provide parking for cars surely it’s the responsibility of local businesses to provide them. And streetlights - surely people have torches? And Libraries - there are bookshops for that. Or where would it end, local authorities having to cut the grass on Jim and eddies campsites as they are providing camping places.

 

[Ivory55]

Ivory55
Why is it down to local authorities to provide parking for cars surely it’s the responsibility of local businesses to provide them. And streetlights - surely people have torches? And Libraries - there are bookshops for that. Or where would it end, local authorities having to cut the grass on Jim and eddies campsites as they are providing camping places.

When I shop at Tesco they do provide parking. May be some would like to pay(subsidy) so that the hgv buisness can run for free, others might not. May be it’s the old divide and rule, take from some and give it to others. Or they could be fair and just give me some of this free money.

 

[tonyidle]

When I shop at Tesco they do provide parking. May be some would like to pay(subsidy) so that the hgv buisness can run for free, others might not. May be it’s the old divide and rule, take from some and give it to others. Or they could be fair and just give me some of this free money.

I dont think many would object to paying a fair price to park in the same way that town centre parking is paid for by car owners. It's just that the facility needs to exist before anyone can use it.

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[gus-lopez]

Why should it be the job of "the authorities" to sort it out? Most road transport companies have their own depots and they have a trade body. If they were really bothered they would get together, through that trade body, to enable the depots to be used for overnight truck parking on a mutual self help basis.
That, when one thinks about it, would be the equivalent of the various clubs which set up caravan sites of various types which are the proper camping areas for the various types of caravan

The operators licence stipulates the amount of trucks allowed to operate from the tard.If they had to buy land to park on there would be no point as the council planning would impose all sorts of onerous restrictions.

and yet hospital staff have to pay to park at the hospital. Funny old world.

No one should have to pay at hospitals least of all the staff. but while they aren't prepared to stick together ,rise up & hang a few managers nothing will change.
All the staff , surgeons, consultants et al have to do is whoever brings in any regulations they just "refuse" to treat any & all of them along with any family . So all who vote for it on a council planning /parking etc; are ddenied any assistance. Easily done.
Same with councils & supermarkets. Banned from shopping in them along with all the family.

Why is it down to local authorities to provide parking for hgv surely it’s the responsibility of the buisness to provide them. Or where would it end, local authorities having to cut the grass on Jim and eddies campsites as they are providing camping places.

they don't have to provide them just keep the lay bys tidy ,actually put some bins out & empty them.Keep there nose out of industrial estate parking.

 

[Northernraider]

GJH hasn't turned up but apparently parking and sleeping are two different things one is parking and the other is classed as camping for some reason even though you are not

Well now you've done it

 

[PeteH]

HGV`s are the LIFEBLOOD of UK PLC. Providing space for drivers to take the "rest" proscribed BY LAW. Should be mandatory.! And despite the "green lobby`s" aversion to such transport, will be with us for many more years yet. Nothing is FREE, it all gets paid for one way or another.

When I was "on the road", If I paid for parking, the gaffer got the bill. And doubtless it was factored into his "rate" for the job somewhere. If aviation fuel goes up. the Airlines add a Fuel Excess charge

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[Pekepal]

Thought this was MotorhomeFun - all gets a bit serious!!

 

[SpeedyDux]

Increasing numbers of people living in cars and vans who can't afford to rent proper housing, NHS charging to park at hospitals, town councils building over car parks and killing town centre businesses, HGV drivers finding it difficult to take compulsory rest breaks, MHs finding it more difficult due to compulsive rule-makers and height barriers, gridlocked road systems, and a lot more - every one of these problems that affect ordinary people on a daily basis comes back to England being too densely populated, and increasingly unable to cope with net migration at the rate of @350K+ legal migrants (and estimated 150K illegal ones) each year. The built environment was planned for a UK population of @65 million but in 2019 a figure of 84 million would be more realistic. The ONS official estimates appear wildly inaccurate.

 

[PeteH]

Increasing numbers of people living in cars and vans who can't afford to rent proper housing, NHS charging to park at hospitals, town councils building over car parks and killing town centre businesses, HGV drivers finding it difficult to take compulsory rest breaks, MHs finding it more difficult due to compulsive rule-makers and height barriers, gridlocked road systems, and a lot more - every one of these problems that affect ordinary people on a daily basis comes back to England being too densely populated, and increasingly unable to cope with net migration at the rate of @350K+ legal migrants (and estimated 150K illegal ones) each year. The built environment was planned for a UK population of @65 million but in 2019 a figure of 84 million would be more realistic. The ONS official estimates appear wildly inaccurate.

Your all OK. It was announced tonight on ITV news that Cor-Bin is going to build thousands of New Homes.

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[Blue Knight]

Your all OK. It was announced tonight on ITV news that Cor-Bin is going to build thousands of New Homes.

Council houses are very useful things Pete.

There's a whole load of Brits who sub-let their council houses and then use the proceeds to live permananently in Spain.

 

[PeteH]

Council houses are very useful things Pete.

There's a whole load of Brits who sub-let their council houses and then use the proceeds to live permananently in Spain.

Tell me about it. The Big "scam" with right to buy, was that people who had lived in the (rented) property for lot of years, got substantial pro rata discounts on the "asking" price. Which led to them taking out mortgages for relatively small sums, in relation to the actual value of the property and which where regularly paid by one or more of their kids. When Mum/Dad finally "went to their maker", said kids got an even bigger windfall. The net result of which was a greatly reduced payback for the councils who where forced to sell their housing stock.

 

[AXO66]

Tell me about it. The Big "scam" with right to buy, was that people who had lived in the (rented) property for lot of years, got substantial pro rata discounts on the "asking" price. Which led to them taking out mortgages for relatively small sums, in relation to the actual value of the property and which where regularly paid by one or more of their kids. When Mum/Dad finally "went to their maker", said kids got an even bigger windfall. The net result of which was a greatly reduced payback for the councils who where forced to sell their housing stock.

Was that a conservative policy?

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[gus-lopez]

Council houses are very useful things Pete.

There's a whole load of Brits who sub-let their council houses and then use the proceeds to live permananently in Spain.

& there are just as many who do the same whilst remaining in the UK in partners houses or ones they have purchased.

 

[Northernraider]

Tell me about it. The Big "scam" with right to buy, was that people who had lived in the (rented) property for lot of years, got substantial pro rata discounts on the "asking" price. Which led to them taking out mortgages for relatively small sums, in relation to the actual value of the property and which where regularly paid by one or more of their kids. When Mum/Dad finally "went to their maker", said kids got an even bigger windfall. The net result of which was a greatly reduced payback for the councils who where forced to sell their housing stock.

Yep Maggie sorted 2 problems with that one , it also made workers property owners with " your home is at risk if you don't keep up the payments on your mortgage "

Less likely to go on strike then cause you could lose your house.

And there it began ....loss of union power and big profit companies taking the wee wee.

Which is how we are where we are now

 

[Northernraider]

Was that a conservative policy?

Yes good old Thatcher

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[GJH]

Why Not?. The "Authorities" are very good at "interfering" with other aspects of so called "freedoms". They commonly find the time, and put in great effort, to make pettifogging restrictions on what people can do on their OWN properties, (as I know to my cost, £££, when wanting to "self build"). Even with your example above, there ARE restrictions on numbers of vehicle allowed on many Haulage yards and some even have time scheduled movement orders too. I can see our L-A, who are notorious for this type of interfering, (But lax on moving a "Stealth" traveller site BTW.) getting very hot under the collar if all of a sudden an extra 20 Trucks turned up to "overnight park".

The operators licence stipulates the amount of trucks allowed to operate from the tard.If they had to buy land to park on there would be no point as the council planning would impose all sorts of onerous restrictions.

There might be restrictions at the moment but if the hauliers got together and proposed a solution to parking problems to government, which would cost taxpayers nothing, those restrictions could soon be changed.
Time to think outside the box, gentlemen, realise that when people are willing to put some effort in then good results can be achieved. Of course, it takes more effort than expecting nanny state to take care of it but anything worth doing takes effort.

 

[GJH]

Sorry you are closing it Graham - it's such a useful resource.

Thank you. Nothing to stop anyone else creating a replacement if they want to do so.

 

[PeteH]

There might be restrictions at the moment but if the hauliers got together and proposed a solution to parking problems to government, which would cost taxpayers nothing, those restrictions could soon be changed.
Time to think outside the box, gentlemen, realise that when people are willing to put some effort in then good results can be achieved. Of course, it takes more effort than expecting nanny state to take care of it but anything worth doing takes effort.

Whilst on the face of it it sounds OK. To paraphrase something you have posted before several times. This is another issue where the "numbers" involved are too small for it to register sufficiently on the scale of government (self) interest. It`s like proper "Aire" type parking for Motorhomes or actually changing the rules on "camping" to make it legal overnighting (as opposed to parking).

Another potential "fly in the ointment" of that suggestion, is the fact that most haulage yards are either to small with no room for expansion, (one guy I did work for, on agency, had trucks parked in the road some weekends) Or so far off the beaten track as to be useless as "stopovers". What is required is (cheap, if necessary subsidised) Secure "overnighting" parking within short access of major trunk routes, at the very least.

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[Ivory55]

Yep Maggie sorted 2 problems with that one , it also made workers property owners with " your home is at risk if you don't keep up the payments on your mortgage "

Less likely to go on strike then cause you could lose your house.

And there it began ....loss of union power and big profit companies taking the wee wee.

Which is how we are where we are now

Yes clever move. Money will always lure people. Ie a motorhome might not get the best reviews but if it’s cheap enough people will overlook that. Or a company has a bad time people will soon forget when they are paying less money.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Was that a conservative policy?

Was right-to-buy abolished by Labour under Blair/Brown? Did they abolish the sitting tenant discounted price? Hmmm. Why was that Thatcherite policy to sell Council housing and the proceeds not allowed to be reinvested in social housing allowed to carry on ... answers on a postcard please.

Council houses are very useful things Pete.

There's a whole load of Brits who sub-let their council houses and then use the proceeds to live permananently in Spain.

Or, in some cases, to live off the rent back in the Indian sub-continent. Allegedly.

Qualifying Council tenants especially in the London area were able to buy their Council houses at an artificially very low price, that reflected their ability to afford a subsidised social rent (and subsequent mortgage), who were then able to re-let the house at the much higher private sector rent, in many cases 100% paid for by Housing Benefit (until Osborne decided to cap this sky-is-the-limit benefit that was driving up BTL rents). What a double-dipping taxpayer-funded bonanza for lucky former Council tenants! All down to living in the right place at the right time.

How the Lab/Con politicians convinced themselves that this crazy financial merry-go-round made sense is beyond my comprehension. The taxpayer will always provide, regardless.

 

[Pekepal]

This thread needs renaming!

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[Ivory55]

As a thought why not charge all hgv owners say £3000 a year each motor they own and the money used to provide free parking for them. Sorted. And as for them being the back bone of the country etc, the only reason someone runs a haulage buisness is to make lots of money. They are not doing it for free or out of the kindness of their heart, and people drive their trucks because they are paid to nothing else simples. It’s a buisness end of.

 

[Northernraider]

As a thought why not charge all hgv owners say £3000 a year each motor they own and the money used to provide free parking for them. Sorted. And as for them being the back bone of the country etc, the only reason someone runs a haulage buisness is to make lots of money. They are not doing it for free or out of the kindness of their heart, and people drive their trucks because they are paid to nothing else simples. It’s a buisness end of.

But if we didn't have the trucks nothing would get transported as the rail and canal network doesn't exist.

So surely the government knowing we need trucks to move goods means they should provide the infrastructure to deal with that and that includes parking them does it not?

 

[GJH]

Whilst on the face of it it sounds OK. To paraphrase something you have posted before several times. This is another issue where the "numbers" involved are too small for it to register sufficiently on the scale of government (self) interest. It`s like proper "Aire" type parking for Motorhomes or actually changing the rules on "camping" to make it legal overnighting (as opposed to parking).

Another potential "fly in the ointment" of that suggestion, is the fact that most haulage yards are either to small with no room for expansion, (one guy I did work for, on agency, had trucks parked in the road some weekends) Or so far off the beaten track as to be useless as "stopovers". What is required is (cheap, if necessary subsidised) Secure "overnighting" parking within short access of major trunk routes, at the very least.

In that case it is up to the business owners to work together, through their trade body, to provide for their requirement in the interests of their businesses.

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[Ivory55]

But if we didn't have the trucks nothing would get transported as the rail and canal network doesn't exist.

So surely the government knowing we need trucks to move goods means they should provide the infrastructure to deal with that and that includes parking them does it not?

No. As I said they are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts , they are purely doing it for the money. Or should care workers all be given free cars as the government depends on them to care for the elderly. Why is one more entitled than another.

 

[Northernraider]

No. As I said they are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts , they are purely doing it for the money. Or should care workers all be given free cars as the government depends on them to care for the elderly. Why is one more entitled than another.

I think that's a different think entirely

Care workers get car parks at work to park In

Bus and coach companies are in it for the money too but they get bus stops and places to park.

Whilst I agree the haulage companies are in business , they already provide places to park their trucks at their depots

But if the law created by the government says a lorry has to stop every 4 hours for a break then it has to be able to park somewhere , if theres no place to park it ?

They already pay tax on the money they make , tax on the fuel they use etc etc etc

If the lorries all suddenly stopped people would then realise how important they were

And incidentally I ain't a fan of lorries I hate the buggers on the road

But without them things would be a lot harder

I also think hospital staff shouldbt have to pay to park cars at hospitals either.

Government seems to have endless amounts of cash for stupid things a minority use yet no money for the actual important things

 

[Ivory55]

I don’t particularly like them and I drive them, but I don’t see why tax money should be given to them for free parking when there is me and plenty of better causes that need the money. The driver cpc is just a tax why is that not free?

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