Road Tax

[Steve and Denise]

Just out of interest (motorhomers being a thrifty lot)
Do you still pay UK road tax on your van/motorcycle when traveling abroad?

 

[Badknee]

Yes.

 

[Boringfrog]

I don't pay it even in the UK.....

 

[VXman]

I don't pay it even in the UK.....

I think that needs some explanation.

 

[VXman]

Just out of interest (motorhomers being a thrifty lot)
Do you still pay UK road tax on your van/motorcycle when traveling abroad?

Hmmm.... never thought of this. I do SORN my car if out of the country for a couple of months. Hadn't thought about the motorhome. Is this legal? There isn't some obscure legality that says a car should be taxed in it's home country when used abroad is there???- I believe that is the case for MOT. What about insurance companies?

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[TerryL]

Vehicle needs to be fully legal for road use in the home country to be legal abroad.
No road tax, no insurance. How lucky do you feel?

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Just out of interest (motorhomers being a thrifty lot)
Do you still pay UK road tax on your van/motorcycle when traveling abroad?

You need to have your vehicle taxed insured, mot etc for foreign travel. If you are pulled up in the EU they may ask to show your documents including your road fund tax.
If you are on a foreign campsite however and not using the roads I am sure you could SORN your van whilst it's there.out of action as it were. Similarly in the UK.

 

[TheBig1]

Technically I believe the rules state that the van must have and MOT and tax paid an the can only be bought if you declare the vehicle is within the UK at that time. The same with MOT, it needs to be done in the UK. This was brought to light when a UK firm was issuing British MOT certificates remotely to a sister garage who tested in Spain. The guy that did the testing lost his testing ticket, as did the UK garage

 

[Boringfrog]

Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) previously road tax need to be paid to keep you vehicle legal no matter which country your in....
And just as a bit info, mine has increased by £45 this year.... robbing barstewards.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Taking a vehicle out of the UK

Taking your car out of the UK - when VAT is not payable on a car you're exporting, procedures, registration and vehicle tax.

www.gov.uk

See the section ,"Taking your own Vehicle abroad"

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[Steve and Denise]

Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) previously road tax need to be paid to keep you vehicle legal no matter which country your in....
And just as a bit info, mine has increased by £45 this year.... robbing barstewards.

But VED is for use on UK roads if your not using a Uk road you should not be liable,
Just the Uk government making money from the motorist again really it should have no relevance whichever way you look at it

 

[pappajohn]

But VED is for use on UK roads if your not using a Uk road you should not be liable,
Just the Uk government making money from the motorist again really it should have no relevance whichever way you look at it

If that was the case you would have to have VED, or whatever johnnie foreigner calls it, for the countries you're visiting instead.

 

[gus-lopez]

Is this legal?

No

There isn't some obscure legality that says a car should be taxed in it's home country when used abroad is there???-

It is an eu wide law & has been in place for years

not using the roads I am sure you could SORN your van whilst it's there.

No you can't .That is also an offence as to 'SORN' the vehicle has to be off road IN THE UK:

But VED is for use on UK roads if your not using a Uk road you should not be liable,

When the foreigners, like me, come over we are allowed to use your roads due to the road tax we pay in spain. Vice versa you are allowed here to wear out our roads as long as you pay the road tazx in the UK

Just the Uk government making money from the motorist again really it should have no relevance whichever way you look at it

As above the rules are european wide & the same for all.To wear out someone els's roads you are paying in your own country.

Just out of interest (motorhomers being a thrifty lot)
Do you still pay UK road tax on your van/motorcycle when traveling abroad?

Yes it is totally illegal not to.

You also need to bear in mind that in the event of an accident your vehicle legality will be checked to the absolute limit.Even more so if it involves injuries or death.
Involvement in an accident my first question is
is the vehicle legal? = tax,mot, insurance.
Is the driver legal with the correct licence?
Does the driver live here & has not changed licence?
Are all the attachments to the vehicle homologated or have there been " modifications" especially if the vehicle is UK ?
The list is endless .
Bear in mind also that there is no knock for knock here. someone is always at fault.

If you are hit by say a drunk driver & found to be , just say, without road tax then the drunks insurance will not be paying for your repairs & quite likely you will be paying for the drunks as the law is quite simple.
If you are not legal to be on the road the drunk could not have hit you as you should not have been there. The fact that he was drunk doesn't enter the equation . He will still be banned/fined/locked up but will have a repaired/new vehicle.
& yes I have actually seen this happen.
for the few quid for road tax don't even think about it.

 

[rosalan]

What an excellent summation!

 

[Steve and Denise]

No

It is an eu wide law & has been in place for years

No you can't .That is also an offence as to 'SORN' the vehicle has to be off road IN THE UK:

When the foreigners, like me, come over we are allowed to use your roads due to the road tax we pay in spain. Vice versa you are allowed here to wear out our roads as long as you pay the road tazx in the UK

As above the rules are european wide & the same for all.To wear out someone els's roads you are paying in your own country.

Yes it is totally illegal not to.

You also need to bear in mind that in the event of an accident your vehicle legality will be checked to the absolute limit.Even more so if it involves injuries or death.
Involvement in an accident my first question is
is the vehicle legal? = tax,mot, insurance.
Is the driver legal with the correct licence?
Does the driver live here & has not changed licence?
Are all the attachments to the vehicle homologated or have there been " modifications" especially if the vehicle is UK ?
The list is endless .
Bear in mind also that there is no knock for knock here. someone is always at fault.

If you are hit by say a drunk driver & found to be , just say, without road tax then the drunks insurance will not be paying for your repairs & quite likely you will be paying for the drunks as the law is quite simple.
If you are not legal to be on the road the drunk could not have hit you as you should not have been there. The fact that he was drunk doesn't enter the equation . He will still be banned/fined/locked up but will have a repaired/new vehicle.
& yes I have actually seen this happen.
for the few quid for road tax don't even think about it.

I still think it is wrong to charge for a service you are not using, as we are nothing to do with Europe our government do not send them any money towards their roads.
Also I am not sure all countries outside of UK pay road fund license or now called VED ?

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[VXman]

The 'your car needs to be legal in your home country' is a interesting one.

We (a group of VX220 owners who had been down to Le Mans for a track day) got pulled up by the police on the motorway near Calais on the way home a few years ago. The police inspected the cars. The cars are manufactured with the number plates stuck on with double sided sticky pads not screwed on. Apparently in France they have to be screwed to the body of the vehicle. They began to demand we paid a fine or screwed the plates on - there at the side of the road.

I was a little way down the queue and wasn't the original reason for the original pulling over which was due to another member of the group doing a little 'exuberant' take off from the toll booths, so I subtlety left and headed for the border.

Unfortunately they had radioed ahead to the border control and we got nabbed there, removed to a secure area, made to pay the fine in cash. We missed our tunnel crossing due to the delay. The police made a nice few hundred euros in cash that day. No receipt and difficult to argue that they were wrong when your French is poor and you just want to go home.

There are probably dozens of minor laws affecting cars in European countries that do not apply in the UK. As a foreigner you are a sitting duck.

 

[gus-lopez]

Also I am not sure all countries outside of UK pay road fund license or now called VED ?

In france there is no road tax.But you pay to use tolls. as a foreigner stay off them & it is free.
here next year we appear to be getting toll roads back plus all the mways that were free before to be tolled & still be paying road tax .mine is one of the highest in spain & no refunds ,sorns ,( well there is but you wouldn't want to do it) etc .you own it 1st jamuary the years tax is yours.

 

[mondo]

I still think it is wrong to charge for a service you are not using, as we are nothing to do with Europe our government do not send them any money towards their roads.
Also I am not sure all countries outside of UK pay road fund license or now called VED ?

So you think it's wrong to pay VED in UK..but you will pay on the peage..double standards methinks..

 

[VXman]

I still think it is wrong to charge for a service you are not using, as we are nothing to do with Europe our government do not send them any money towards their roads.
Also I am not sure all countries outside of UK pay road fund license or now called VED ?

Maybe, but they all have to pay for road building/maintenance in some manner and you as a foreigner do not contribute. I don't object to reciprocal payment. As said above, European drivers come here and don't pay either so it all equals out.

 

[tonyidle]

VED has nothing to do with road use. It is a duty paid to the Exchequer and is merged with general taxation.

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[Steve and Denise]

So you think it's wrong to pay VED in UK..but you will pay on the peage..double standards methinks..

That is not what I said, if you read my post correctly and as I also said road tax as we used to understand it is now not road tax,
I accept it’s just another tax but just to put another spanner in the works, it is perfectly legal to drive a vehicle on a Uk road without a valid VED charge,
if pre booked for an MOT
So many variants it makes your head spin
by the way our vehicles are always taxed and fully legal, this was just an interesting scenario.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Afternoon Steve and Denise have you taken a big hit on your rental properties and need to save a few quid, hence this thread

 

[Steve and Denise]

Afternoon Steve and Denise have you taken a big hit on your rental properties and need to save a few quid, hence this thread

Ha ha yes the rental job has changed a bit but as they come empty now we’re selling them,
The government are making it impossible to treat people like adults anymore fortunately most of ours are bungalows so have done well and most tennants are long term, but I’m getting older so can’t be bothered to jump through hoops any more but still don’t want to pay anymore tax than is nessasary

 

[Silver-Fox]

Ha ha yes the rental job has changed a bit but as they come empty now we’re selling them,
The government are making it impossible to treat people like adults anymore fortunately most of ours are bungalows so have done well and most tennants are long term, but I’m getting older so can’t be bothered to jump through hoops any more but still don’t want to pay anymore tax than is nessasary

I’m sure you’ve found a way around paying too much tax, all legitimate obviously