Quest pop up 6 - popping down!

[2657]

Had our Quest pop up 6 sider up for about a month now in Portugal, had some strong winds over the last few days and the roof has popped down twice now, anybody else had this problem?

I have no doubt the manufacturers will state that they are not designed to cope with strong winds etc but we are hoping to leave ours up all winter.

The sides remained in position and stable but if this happened combined with heavy rain then then the inverted roof would fill with water and I would imagine the weight would destroy the whole thing.

I have fixed a support pole under the centre and secured it in place and am confident this will prevent a re occurrence in all but the most extreme conditions but it gets in the way a little.

 

[rosalan]

I am truly not trying to be negative but 'vans that pop-up like your Quest would not generally be made for semi-permanent use. Their virtue lies in light weight travel and quick erection rather than substantial heavy weather treatment.
However I am sure you enjoy challenging situations and will, I hope, have many happy years braving the elements.

 

[2657]

I am truly not trying to be negative but 'vans that pop-up like your Quest would not generally be made for semi-permanent use. Their virtue lies in light weight travel and quick erection rather than substantial heavy weather treatment.
However I am sure you enjoy challenging situations and will, I hope, have many happy years braving the elements.

Yes I realise that, my post is by the way of a warning and is the reason that I have made the modification.

No awnings or shelters for use with motorhomes or caravans are meant to cope with extremes, the question is what defines 'extreme'?

 

[Silver-Fox]

You can put some rods across the roof Support’s that will help with resisting the roof dropping.

 

[2657]

You can put some rods across the roof Support’s that will help with resisting the roof dropping.

The problem then is fixing them to the existing roof supports, good idea though I will investigate

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[Silver-Fox]

The problem then is fixing them to the existing roof supports, good idea though I will investigate

Tie wraps or some of those Velcro type tie wraps.

You could do a bit of dumpster diving if someone is vining a cheap tent.
Get the rods out of it as it will allow the roof to flex a bit.

 

[Theonlysue]

If the winds turn bad, it will just damage it.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Or fix some bungees across as that would also allow the roof to flex ?

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

I have fixed a support pole under the centre and secured it in place and am confident this will prevent a re occurrence in all but the most extreme conditions but it gets in the way a little.?

You can always dance around it

 

[2657]

Tie wraps or some of those Velcro type tie wraps.

You could do a bit of dumpster diving if someone is vining a cheap tent.
Get the rods out of it as it will allow the roof to flex a bit.

I'm not sure that cable ties or velcro would be strong or solid enough to withstand the side forces.

Another consideration is the fixing wearing against the the relatively thin roof material.

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[2657]

If the winds turn bad, it will just damage it.

I think the basic structure is flexible enough to take the normal strong winds that we are used to every winter it is just stopping the roof flexing downwards which I am confident that my modification will solve.

I will investigate the method mentioned by Silver-Fox which I think will work if I can work out a fixing method.

 

[Silver-Fox]

You could use hose clips and put some cloth between the clip and the roof material

 

[2657]

You could use hose clips and put some cloth between the clip and the roof material

I like that one, why didn't I think of that I have plenty of pipe insulation here.

 

[Silver-Fox]

I like that one, why didn't I think of that I have plenty of pipe insulation here.

?

As this consultation was less than 15 minutes there’s no charge ??

 

[movan]

Was this you practising?

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[romany]

I think the basic structure is flexible enough to take the normal strong winds that we are used to every winter it is just stopping the roof flexing downwards which I am confident that my modification will solve.

I will investigate the method mentioned by Silver-Fox which I think will work if I can work out a fixing method.

This was vango's storm strap much advertised advantage and patented system and as silver fox has said there are much cheaper and easier ways to do the same. The popping down of the roof is a recognised problem in quest if used in moderate to strong winds centre pole and strapping are the two biggest helps

 

[2657]

Was this you practising?

Can't get the funny button? to work on this tablet so had to give it a like.

My dancing days of any description have long gone, never got started really

 

[Teasy2007]

Had our Quest pop up 6 sider up for about a month now in Portugal, had some strong winds over the last few days and the roof has popped down twice now, anybody else had this problem?

I have no doubt the manufacturers will state that they are not designed to cope with strong winds etc but we are hoping to leave ours up all winter.

The sides remained in position and stable but if this happened combined with heavy rain then then the inverted roof would fill with water and I would imagine the weight would destroy the whole thing.

I have fixed a support pole under the centre and secured it in place and am confident this will prevent a re occurrence in all but the most extreme conditions but it gets in the way a little.

Had our Quest pop up 6 sider up for about a month now in Portugal, had some strong winds over the last few days and the roof has popped down twice now, anybody else had this problem?

I have no doubt the manufacturers will state that they are not designed to cope with strong winds etc but we are hoping to leave ours up all winter.

The sides remained in position and stable but if this happened combined with heavy rain then then the inverted roof would fill with water and I would imagine the weight would destroy the whole thing.

I have fixed a support pole under the centre and secured it in place and am confident this will prevent a re occurrence in all but the most extreme conditions but it gets in the way a little.

We have a Quest 4, they are fantastic. We were in Benicassim during a storm when loads of awnings were ripped from caravans and motorhomes. Our Quest just dances! The best part of the quest is that is goes with the wind but does not rip or break. When the wind was at its height the top popped down, all we did was push it up again, no problem, no worry, no damage.

Enjoy watching your quest dance in the wind and talking to other campers who cant understand why your awning can stand up to anything, whilst theirs has disintegrated!!

 

[2657]

We have a Quest 4, they are fantastic. We were in Benicassim during a storm when loads of awnings were ripped from caravans and motorhomes. Our Quest just dances! The best part of the quest is that is goes with the wind but does not rip or break. When the wind was at its height the top popped down, all we did was push it up again, no problem, no worry, no damage.

Enjoy watching your quest dance in the wind and talking to other campers who cant understand why your awning can stand up to anything, whilst theirs has disintegrated!!

I agree about the wind, I could live with it popping down but if it did it in the night during a rainstorm I think the outcome could be catastrophic for the shelter.

 

[gwyntaxi]

We have a Quest 4, they are fantastic. We were in Benicassim during a storm when loads of awnings were ripped from caravans and motorhomes. Our Quest just dances! The best part of the quest is that is goes with the wind but does not rip or break. When the wind was at its height the top popped down, all we did was push it up again, no problem, no worry, no damage.

Enjoy watching your quest dance in the wind and talking to other campers who cant understand why your awning can stand up to anything, whilst theirs has disintegrated!!

I’ve also got a quest 4 and at this yearss Malvern Moho show there was a bit of a wind, but not what I would describe as very strong wind and it ripped one of the circular pegging points clean off, so I took it down to avoid any further damage and sewed the pegging point back on when we got home, but I was a bit disappointed that it ripped off in such a moderate wind, I don’t think they are suitable for very high wind, though we had it up in Benidorm for a month and it got quite breezy on times, but no problem apart from the fact that it faded quite a lot, ours is the navy coloured one but the roof is now a shade of bluey-grey.

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[David and Sally]

Gwyntaxi

I would guess the time in Benidorm weakened the fabric due to UV and it ripped because of that.

Happened to out Vango awning. Fell to bits.

 

[Minxy]

I agree about the wind, I could live with it popping down but if it did it in the night during a rainstorm I think the outcome could be catastrophic for the shelter.

Simple solution to that ... cut a nice big skylight in it ... sorted!

 

[Delboyarapaho]

We had the same problem as you describe on our Quest 6-sider a couple of years ago at Lake Garda. We had an almighty storm one morning, torrential rain and the roof caved in. It filled with water and our only saving grace was that I had left our table inside so when the roof collapsed the centre was prevented from hitting the floor by the table. The weight of the roof once full of water was tremendous and it would have certainly destroyed the pop up. Now I always leave a table under the centre of the unit in case. Once the roof inverts (and I saw this happen due to wind not the rain) no amount of fixings will tolerate the amount of water that builds up when raining.

 

[rosalan]

Do not write off the use of Velcro for there are a range of strengths to suite most situations. My previous Dethleffs van had some external panels that were held on with Velcro. It can be very strong.

 

[2657]

Do not write off the use of Velcro for there are a range of strengths to suite most situations. My previous Dethleffs van had some external panels that were held on with Velcro. It can be very strong.

I have used velcro for securing many things and it is very good for certain jobs but it has its limitations, the main one being the fixing of the velcro to the objects being held together.

The direction of the forces involved in securing the two rods or bars together in this instance would make it difficult to get a solid fix I would think.

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[rosalan]

There are some adhesives that are both strong and permanent but I do not wish to labour the point other than to say that Velcro can and is used to hold motorhome body parts permanently together during manufacture.

 

[2657]

There are some adhesives that are both strong and permanent but I do not wish to labour the point other than to say that Velcro can and is used to hold motorhome body parts permanently together during manufacture.

I have not met a velcro adhesive that will withstand high temperatures and the joint envisaged in my particular scenario would need to endure high sheer stresses where the strength of the adhesive would be more important than the strength pf the velcro.