Pilote P740GJ - Anyone have one or similar? (3 Viewers)

[Dave K]

I've been avidly reading all your Pilote Sensation P740GJ posts! And in fact, last Thursday, we bought the said 740GJ Pilote from Robsons near Durham - and at a very good price, i might add - fortunately for us we had the cash and no trade in - though they were happy to take our Autocruise Starburst as part ex if we had not managed to sell it beforehand. So far, they have been excellent and very knowledgeable and helpful regarding our Pilote purchase - we'll see how this continues! We are due to collect it around the 20th September - we can't wait! And we live 375 miles away in Somerset - but this was the last remaining P740GJ available in the country and we just love the whole Pilote style and build and after months of searching, visiting dealers countrywide, could find nothing to match this for fulfilling our tick list. And yes - with the white faux leather! Robsons are fitting the Thule 5200 4.5m awning and a dual control Solar panel, altering the waste pipe by extending the pipe to the side of the van and ensuring the CD/Radio has a live feed to be able to play continuously - all included in the sale price!!. As soon as we collect we are off to Ash at Vanbitz for fitting of a Dometic reversing camera, Striker and Growler alarm and Non Starter MT Tracker - and maybe a few other bits too! We are concerned about the payload, as we have many goodies onboard and I think i shall contact Robsons tomorrow regarding the possibility of upgrading to the 3650T at this late stage - and see if they quote £200!! My concern is, my partner meets 70 years of age in Feb and is going to apply to retain C1. but sticking with the 3500 would be good!
So - i'll keep you posted and continue to keenly watch all your posts!!

Good news regarding the purchase of your van, we are also based in Somerset and bought our van in Newark so we also travelled, but I have spoken to our local Pilote dealer in Weston Super Mare and they have agreed to carry out any warranty work, I'll obviously use them for servicing and hab checks as well. As said I would definitely upgrade to 3650kg, this then will give you a decent payload, good luck with the van when you get it, hope you enjoy it.
Dave

 

[Jands]

Congratulations on getting your Van.
I have to wait till summer 2019 but started looking a few years back and am favouring the Pilote P740C.
Went from the 6.5 to 7 to the 7.5 m vans a the largest is so much more roomy although an extra meter long.
Going to get the 4400Kg upgrade too.
Would be grateful to hear how you get along both good and bad as user experiences are good info.

 

[Blue Knight]

Many thanks Andrew - so helpful! A few replies - I've been watching the van since May, as we desperately advertised selling our Starburst. Unsure why the Pilote didn't sell sooner, as the price was good and there were no other similar vans about - maybe it's not a popular model!! I'm thinking that folk prefer to stick sub 7 metres - as we do - but similar vans felt very 'pinched'.
I haven't a clue with the Pilot electrics!! However, I was told the radio was presently connected to the engine battery so would switch off - whatever! But hopefully they will sort it!
Due to the huge and boring distance, we plan to stay on Robsons site for 2 or 3 nights trying everything we can! Then plan on attending the Lincoln motor home show for the 4 nights - if OK, slowly forwards via Malvern and then onto Vanbitz for a few nights and goodie fittings! If we have problems, then back the 150 miles to Wolsingham! Happy days! Then home and hope it will fit in the drive!
Yes, any warranty work required will be a nightmare - hopefully we shall even out any tricky wrinkles over the week. Ongoing, Davans of Weston-super-Mare or Freeborn at Southampton are our local Pilote dealers - we have not approached them yet regarding warranty issues and doubt they will be keen, as they have met us in our motorhome search and both hoped we would buy from them! Any Fiat problems, we can go to the Fiat dealer locally and if it comes to it, provided the habitation issues are not critical we will be spending a few holiday weeks in Wolsingham!! Pilote seem to have a good record and I think I have a good relationship with Lynne at Robson - hope!! A third resort is Hayes, though they are not near either and again, may not be keen to undertake our warranty work!
Regarding the scary payload - we have spreadsheets everywhere and know we are skating on legal thin ice! Age wise my partner would prefer to remain on the 3.5T until he hopefully receives his C1 permissions - he will be 70 in Feb. Fortunately, I will hopefully have 9 more years to be able to drive freely!! We are unsure who it is best to go to regarding upgrading to 3650T, if we can decide we are best to apply for it?? Do we request Robsons before they apply to DVLA for registration this week whilst they await the Pilote conformity paperwork - who actually puts the upgrade request forward - and to whom? Or is it easier to go to SV Tech? Do most selling dealers do this at no cost? We are totally unfamiliar with the procedures.
Last week we stayed in Wolsingham at Melbourne Place, whilst viewing and formalising our purchase. What a lovely and friendly place and a lovely village. When we collect in Sept, we are thinking of sending by courier the equipment we shall need and then coming up by train - via the world it seems! If we drive up, we'll then be separate in a car and motor home - life is never easy!!
Caroline

Hi Caroline,

That's quite a list of considerations there. If you drink a whole bottle of red wine then they'll all blur into one easily solvable issue - it works for me.

We spoke with the Durham Dealer in Jan and Feb of this year about the 3.65T upgrade and all they said is that it would cost about £200 to sort via a local agency.

Wolsingham is a fantastic little town but as you've probably established it's in the middle of the sticks, in fact, if you drive a few miles West then you're literally in the middle of nowhere. This is why the Durham gang don't sell many vans as its not convenient for the majority of purchasers.

Dave (as mentioned above) has struck lucky with his local Pilote Dealer agreeing to service his new van locally but in our case the Wolsingham Team refused outright (and in a very rude manner too) to have anything to do with our servicing/warranty etc since we had purchased elsewhere.

Every dealer that I've come across have offered free 3.65T upgrades but that's something that you may wish to take up with them. That said, your awning has a £500 RRP so your freebie allowance has probably gone on that.

Anyway, enough waffle from me. I hope you work out your 3.65T dilemma and if we can advise or help then post-up and we'll have a go.

Very best,

Andrew

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[Blue Knight]

Regarding the scary payload - we have spreadsheets everywhere and know we are skating on legal thin ice!

G'Day Caroline,

I've done a few figures for you in between packing-up our house.

The figures are based on your actual van spec using the manufacturers standard MIRO. It includes a full tank of fuel (not 90% as per MIRO), 1 x 13kg gas bottle @ 90% full and 20-litres/20kg of water, and two people @ 75kg each.

It does not include any fresh water, waste water or black(toilet) waste. It also excludes all clothes, food, utensils, books, personal belongings, handbags, accessories, bed linen and duvets, scooters, bikes, mobility devices, dogs & pets etc etc..........

1. MIRO: 2,970kg
2. Variation in MIRO @ 3%: 90kg
3. Oven: 13kg
4. GRP sides: 10kg
5. 150 BHP engine: 11kg.
6. LED DRLs etc: 2kg
7. Spare wheel, wheel carrier and jacking tools: 43kg
8. Thule 5200 awning: 30.6kg
9. 1 x Solar Panel: 10kg
10. Driver @ 75kg
11. Passenger @ 75kg
12. Extra fuel to fill tank to 100% capacity: 7.65kg
13. Radio: 1kg

Total so far: 3,338.25kg

Extra Motorhome Gear:

14. Millenco ramps: 9kg
15. 2 x chairs and one table: 18kg
16. Silver screen (3.5kg)
17. Motorhome tools and extra fluids: 10kg
18. Avtex TV: 10kg
19. TV aerial: 6kg
20. Alarm, tracker, rear cameras, front monitor: 4kg
21. MoHo Paperwork to carry onboard: 5kg

Total: 65.5kg;

Sum total: 3,403.75kg

You may not want a TV or ramps etc but even if you remove such items then your payload is now quite desperate.

Right then, I'm off to remove the last few items from our loft.

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Freedom Hunter]

Hello Andrew
You're a star! Thank you for all your help and suggestions! By the way, the Thule 5200 x 4.5m which I specifically requested, as it has the extra tension rods is around RRP of £775 - as opposed to the 4900 model around £600. Robson's coughed a bit, as the other A Class their - which they also sold last Weds, they are putting on a 4m x 4900 model! Also the dual control solar panel I requested is £450! Firstly they offered us free fitting which was 200 for the awning and 180 for the solar. Bearing in mind, they had since our first quote in May reduced the van by 2k, we were not gaining a penny for cash from the previous quote at the higher sale price. We had also seen a really nice Carthargo at Doncaster, which they knew about. So, my partner and I sat in the Pilote for nearly an hour chatting it through. So - I took the bull by the horns and phoned Doncaster and got an excellent price for the Carthargo - they wanted my dosh!! Mind you, it is a lot more expensive van than the Pilote, but i had to feel comfy with whichever deal we made - personally, i do think i preferred the Cathargo spec! But, we still both loved the Pilote, don't know why, but it feels right for us and a sensible price. So went back into the office, i openly laid my cards and thoughts on the table and suggested to get the deal they throw in the awning and solar - to our spec. We left and went for a stressful coffee and returned an hour later - they agreed - we shook hands and I immediately transferred the first 25k!! Brilliant!!
I am today going to contact SV Tech the specialists in re-plating vehicles. Looks like we're going to have to pay for it any way - and unfortunately the Robsons bosses are both away the next fortnight, so no one knowledgeable their to deal with! And I don't want to hold up the DVLA reg as we have our precious Vanbitz appointment booked!
Where are you moving too - afar? Just being nosey!!
Caroline

 

[Blue Knight]

Hi Caroline,

I see that you're from Sherborne. The last time I visited your town was back in August 1999 when I spent two weeks on the D&C roads as one of the Police Motorcyclists - I've not been back since but I had a fab time.

We'll be staying in Durham for a few more months before executing the 'master plan'!! We tell everyone that our plans are top secret but in truth we don't quite know what we'll be doing from 2018 onwards; the excitement eh.

I can see why you like the Carthago Brand but in terms of value for money then the Pilote is not a van that can be beating easily. That said the Carthago is a mighty good looking vehicle and I would be chuffed if one was sitting on my driveway. Still, I'm content with our van - for now

FYI: The lady which you dealt with in Durham has no authority in the business whatsoever but the short blonde lady (with a double barrelled first name) is the trusted employee of the family. You mentioned that the bosses are away but I'll tell you now that there's always someone available when money is involved in that organisation. Enough said.

If you need any assistance/info/inside line for your visit up North then drop me a PM and we may be able to help.

It sounds as if you have the nut cracked ;-)

Best wishes,

Andrew

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[Wissel]

Yet more research been done on this van

I think over the last month we have looked into every motorhome available in the last 10 years. Keep coming back to the Pilote P740GJ so besides a proper look at the 2018 version in October, this is what we will be ordering. I think

Decided to go with a small car on A-frame behind so will go with a tow-bar. This means we won't bother with elec. bikes (just our normal mountain bikes).

I spoke to a couple of dealers about the need for alloy wheels with the 4.4T chassis and they didn't seem to think is was a necessity. As the alloys are listed as an upgrade along with Air-Top Suspension, I asked about this as well. For those that don't know, these are air balls that fit above the rear suspension. They can be pumped up individually from valves fitted next to the drivers seat. As I've driven a wallowy motorhome in the past, I like the idea of being able to firm up the rear end. So we will have the alloys and Air-Top

Also decided to go with Alde heating.

This should give us a payload free of about 350KG.

I've re-attached an updated file showing all costs and weights for anyone interested.

 

[Blue Knight]

Now you're talking David - I thought I was going to have a dull evening in and then a spreadsheet pops up. Love it

The heavy chassis will be split on an axle ratio of (F)2,000kg and (R)2,400kg to achieve the final 4.4T allowance.

If we then take the 131kg in the garage plus the 47kg for the tow bar (total of 171kg) and convert it to its actual weight (due to the distance behind the rear axle) then I would say they equate to about 230(+)kg.

The 230kg figure mentioned above will have a direct weight reducing effect on the front axle so, with this considered, I reckon with all of your gear fitted you will only be able to achieve a front axle weight load of between 1,800 and 1,850kg. This means forfeiting a total of between 150-200kg from your MPTLM as you can't achieve the maximum 2,000kg axle weight due to weight distribution constraints. (Your estimated payload of 361kg is now reduced to circa 211kg to 161kg, worst case.

Also, I can't see any entry for a weight variation to the original MIRO. I can't stipulate exactly (as per my previous post) that a Pilote 740-type van is built with a +3% variation but I can be certain that the original published MIRO is under the real time MIRO by anywhere up to 90kg. It's a sloppy way of working it out but if we then remove that 90kg from your outstanding payload of 211-161 kg then your new payload will work out @ between 71-121kg. Also, if we assume that a lightweight A-frame is 13kg (= to 18kg on the axle) and subtract that from 71-121kg then that's about your available payload as I see it, I.e. You could potentially replace 361.5kg with either 53kg and 103kg; this is all rear axle-load dependent.

What do you reckon?

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Wissel]

Thanks for that Andrew - looks right to me

That's gives a little headroom at the back (where I won't need any) and enough at the front if I have my Niece or something with me. All without any compromise so all good.

Scary the weights really. I mean most of the stuff I have is just general stuff that a lot of people carry. Feel a little sorry for the ones that buy a 3.5T and don't give it a second thought.

Thanks again,
David

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[Blue Knight]

It looks as if you're well covered David but as you say it's surprising just how things can soon add up.

I mentioned this before but I don't think that any P740 in its MY17/16 guise is fit for purpose @ 3.5T. My wife and I can bob-about with 3.65T using our style of motorhoming but even that is questionable for most IMO.

That said, if you do buy a MY18 model then it will be interesting to see how much extra payload you gain since the next generation is supposed to be lighter and therefore deliver much better payloads.

You'll have a smashing specced van once it's finished. I am very envious indeed.

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Wissel]

Must admit I'm getting anxious to see a 2018 van. And the prices (not out until Oct)

I should have some images or video of the new model very soon (YouTube'r shot it at Caravan Salon for me) which will hopefully answer a few questions. I'll post it here in case you or anyone else is interested.

Then I'll have to wait until the NEC show to get all the details I want. Just hope a gas tank can still fit underneath etc - plus I'd like to know the exact config of the Alde setup on that model. I'll be taking a lot of images/video/measurements

As you say though - should be a great little van. Seems very good value at £63k (before battering dealers) compared to other offerings? We loved our last (old) Pilote so I'm sure this will be the same.

 

[Blue Knight]

Must admit I'm getting anxious to see a 2018 van. And the prices (not out until Oct)

I've heard that Rapido will be selling its MY18 vans at below MY17 prices (by a few thousand too), so with a bit of look you'll pay less for more with Pilote. The French are swines for some things but I don't even think the Frenchies will price themselves out of the UK market as they ultimately want to increase their market share even further.

I would be very interested to see the pics and YouTube videos once you've made them David.

All the best,

Andrew

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[Wissel]

I've heard that Rapido will be selling its MY18 vans at below MY17 prices (by a few thousand too), so with a bit of look you'll pay less for more with Pilote. The French are swines for some things but I don't even think the Frenchies will price themselves out of the UK market as they ultimately want to increase their market share even further.

I would be very interested to see the pics and YouTube videos once you've made them David.

All the best,

Andrew

Hope you're right on this

The new Pilote catalogue and options list arrived in the post yesterday.
Seems the elevating bed ends is now an option on the 2018 model (so no longer a standard feature), but on the plus side, so is a side-skirt locker.

No prices yet unfortunately (told they will be released at NEC)

 

[Blue Knight]

I've got my fingers crossed for you David regarding the 2018 price tag. I'm not certain yet if Nicky and I will venture to the NEC in October but I may 'ask if I can go' to check out the mods and the price variations.

The side locker option on the MY17 Pilote A-Class vans was circa £560 so it's not exactly a cheap bit of kit.

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Wissel]

I've got my fingers crossed for you David regarding the 2018 price tag. I'm not certain yet if Nicky and I will venture to the NEC in October but I may 'ask if I can go' to check out the mods and the price variations.

The side locker option on the MY17 Pilote A-Class vans was circa £560 so it's not exactly a cheap bit of kit.

All the best,

Andrew

I didn't realise it was an option on the 2017 model. Don't suppose you know where/what the locker is?

I'll be at the show on the 17th and 18th if you're about and fancy a coffee?

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[Blue Knight]

I didn't realise it was an option on the 2017 model. Don't suppose you know where/what the locker is?

I'll be at the show on the 17th and 18th if you're about and fancy a coffee?

Hi David,

It's not actually classified as an option on the A-class per se (and definitely not on the Pacific until 2018), but the Pilote dealers add it to the invoice of an A-class van as if it were an actual option.

Therefore, if a Pilote A-Class Galaxy was sold as £75,000 (as an example cost) then you would probably see a side locker entry annotated on the invoice with £560 next to it.

It's a bit like the GB Pack, i.e. the pack is standard for the UK market place but when the invoice is printed then you'll most likely see a separate invoice entry as 'GP Pack @ £1200'. This is how the dealers manipulate the invoice to make their money.

It would be great to meet up for a coffee at the NEC and I'll drop you a note closer the time to see if we can make it. We complete on our house deal on the 16th Oct so things are a wee bit tight.

All the best,

Andrew

 

[krclink]

Evening all
Has anyone tried to site an inverter anywhere, unfortunately the waste water tank is directly below the seat that houses all the electrics, I was hoping to go out through the floor and into the seat base which is on your right as you enter the van and fix the inverter there, I'm going to have to think again!

I screwed mine onto the wood panelling below the side seat behind the passengers seat. When seat is down, it remains hidden, and when seat is up due to a person using the window seat, then there is still plenty of room for legs and feet. I have an invertor with a remote switch, and this is placed on wall between kitchen and window on passengers side, partially hidden by curtain. and a short extension cable permanently plugged into then invertor saves having to continually lift seat base up to access it.

 

[Dave K]

I screwed mine onto the wood panelling below the side seat behind the passengers seat. When seat is down, it remains hidden, and when seat is up due to a person using the window seat, then there is still plenty of room for legs and feet. I have an invertor with a remote switch, and this is placed on wall between kitchen and window on passengers side, partially hidden by curtain. and a short extension cable permanently plugged into then invertor saves having to continually lift seat base up to access it.

Thanks for the info, out of interest what size inverter did you manage to put in there? I've got a 2000w but I didn't think I could do that without it fouling on the seat, worth a look now though

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[krclink]

It is only a 600watt pure sinewave. I did originally get a 1200watt one, but according to the instalation instructions, it couldn't be screwed on a side wall on its side,(if you get what I mean). It had to be mounted vertically, and as such by the time the wires were connected, there was no room to fit a plug and have the seat in the downward position. Hope this helps.

 

[Wissel]

@Blue Knight

Hate to be a pain (again) but could you see if either of the bottom two battery banks in the drawing below would fit where your batteries currently are when you get a chance?

These cells have a height of 221mm, so I know (if the 2018 model is the same) that I'd have to reduce the height of the platform under the batteries.

Thanks, David

 

[Blue Knight]

Hi David,

It's not a pain at all - I'll take some measurements tomorrow and post back.

Very best

Andrew

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[Blue Knight]

David,

My apologies for a slow response but I've been up to mischief all day

I've checked the battery housing tonight and it has a profile of 480mm x 435mm with a minimum height of 218mm. I say 'minimum' because I reckon the end of my tape measure is slightly loose and therefore it could well have a height of 220mm.

This is the cunning bit Baldrick: if you were to place a 5mm gauge-thick piece of door insulation trim on the upper wooden boards that make the seat housing then you will achieve an approximate depth of 223mm (Minimum) which will suffice for your Lithium cells, i.e. no modifications required and no lowering of the suspended battery floor required. You can then add the two 12-cell banks in either of the combos suggested above.

Also, you need to consider what is under the suspended floor, namely the wire trunking from the RCD and the twin heating ducts which exit the Truma unit. This will all need relocating if you want to lower the suspended floor hence why my suggestion above would save you lots of hassle. The pic below shows the heating duct that exits from under the battery housing. I have a few more pics on my phone and will try and download them in a separate post.

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Blue Knight]

I'm hoping that the two pics below will depict the ducts and the wiring lengths which lie under the 130mm deep suspended floor.

Very best,

Andrew

 

[Wissel]

Thanks Andrew for the above information - good to know what I think I want will fit
I like your idea of raising the height a few mm and thanks for the images. Looking forward to seeing the new vans at the NEC next week

For anyone interested, Pilote dealers now have the 2018 price list. I spoke to Hayes, who didn't have it to email, but gave me all the prices I wanted over the phone (very helpful guy).

New for 2018, is what they call the Chassis Pack. This is a compulsory option at a cost of £799 and includes the following:
LED Running Lights
Fog Lights
Twin Air Bags
Cruise Control
ESP
Traction Control

At 2017 prices, with all the options I want, the P740GJ comes out at a book price of £63,552.59. At 2018 prices this will be £65,595 but includes ESP and Traction which were not in my 2017 calculation.

It's worth noting for anyone interested in buying a new Pilote at the NEC show, that they will be running a deal where a lot of options are half price.

I'll attach a form with the 2018 prices I have for anyone interested.

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[Blue Knight]

That's very good news David but the only extra item that I would add is the dealer mark-up.

If you were to take the £65,595 example which you mention above and see it on the forecourt of Dixon's of Perth then they would charge circa £70k+ guranteed. It will interesting to see if you can get it all for the exact same retail price as per your spreadsheet.

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Blue Knight]

I've recently been trawling a few dealer sites and web pages regarding the new MY18 Pilote Range and I've got to admit that Pilote seem to have done a fantastic job in developing its product line over the competition.

If you take Autotrail, as an example, then its innovation strategy extends to a new set of graphics only, whereas Pilote has excelled in just about every area possible.

I'm very impressed. Have you guys seen the same.

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Jands]

Decided on getting the P740C a couple of years ago.
As now getting close to retiring went to the NEC show to look for any other comparable Mh's.
Looked at all of the other stands and could not find any other Mh's that bettered it.
Some were close but not as good, other's were way off the mark.
Cannot understand the UK MH's as they do an enormous range with very little variety.
Thought there would at least be a couple to compare the P140C with but nothing got close.
I am surprised that other manufacturers dont look and copy it as they miss the mark on basic things like not having a seperate garage, using the bed as the roof. In the Pilote the garage has a roof, I am sure that the garage smells would permeate into the bedroom.
Lots of other things, like badly designed doors, smaller kitchen area etc

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[Blue Knight]

Evening Peeps,

I'm not sure what the rest of you have done but today I finally got around to fitting some rear mudflaps and an extension pipe to the rear fresh water tank.

I used a pair of £15 rally mudflaps from Halfords which at 28cm wide and 46cm in depth are fantastic bits of kit for a Pilote. I drilled 8 x 8mm holes in the alli subframe and the job was done. Easy job.

The pipework was a doddle too and for this job I used 2 x 22mm speedfit elbow joints and the accompanying 22mm piping (1000mm) to do the job. The pipe is supported by double mounted plastic ties which I had supported via a 6.5mm hole in the left rear chassis leg. Again, an easy job.

I've posted some pics of the products in case you want to buy the gear yourself. The jobs cost £27 in total which wasn't bad.

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Dave K]

Evening Peeps,

I'm not sure what the rest of you have done but today I finally got around to fitting some rear mudflaps and an extension pipe to the rear fresh water tank.

I used a pair of £15 rally mudflaps from Halfords which at 28cm wide and 46cm in depth are fantastic bits of kit for a Pilote. I drilled 8 x 8mm holes in the alli subframe and the job was done. Easy job.

The pipework was a doddle too and for this job I used 2 x 22mm speedfit elbow joints and the accompanying 22mm piping (1000mm) to do the job. The pipe is supported by double mounted plastic ties which I had supported via a 6.5mm hole in the left rear chassis leg. Again, an easy job.

I've posted some pics of the products in case you want to but the gear yourself. The jobs cost £27 in total which wasn't bad.

All the best,

Andrew

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Nice job Andrew, just out of interest have you put any additional pipe work on the waste water tank, I need to get that sorted.
Dave

 

[Blue Knight]

Nice job Andrew, just out of interest have you put any additional pipe work on the waste water tank, I need to get that sorted.
Dave

Hi Dave, I did the waste water a good few weeks ago. I'm not sure if I have any pics on my phone but I used a 40mm x 2m black (heavy oil) flex pipe which attaches directly onto the waste water coupler which came with the van.

If I don't find anything tonight Dave then I'll take some pics tomorrow.

I also took the opportunity to waxoil the brake lines, suspension components and subframe too.

All the best,

Andrew

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