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My wife and I just sold our caravan last week and we are now in the process of looking at campervans. We saw this lovely Citroen Relay at the weekend and it had everything that we were looking for – price, layout, rear toilet, size, colour – but there is a fly in the ointment.
My wife had read that when looking at a van you shouldn’t be afraid to move cushions etc to get into all the nooks and crannies and check for damage and damp and she did just that, asking the owner if it was ok first, and everything was coming up fine until she got to the area under a bench cushion where the water heater and pump along with all the pipes and connections are located. She found that it was damp, almost wet, under the plywood that everything sat on and I had a feel as well getting my fingers right underneath and yes it was not only damp but I would say wet.
The owner, who seems a nice person, looked disconcerted about what we had discovered. The van is obviously well kept by the owner and his wife in fact it looks pristine and I tend to believe him when he said that this area of wetness was a surprise to him. The van had been sitting for two weeks since their last short trip.
My feeling is that there is a very slow leak from the water heater or pump and that this is causing the problem. I don’t think there is any water ingress from anywhere causing this. Everywhere else in the van as far as we could tell is dry and there is no smell of damp at all. There is no habitation report for the van.
I called him later on that day and said that I would like to buy the van on condition that the area that was wet was repaired and the cause identified.
Anyway I would appreciate any thoughts that members may have on this. This is a big purchase for us and we don’t want to be left with a white elephant if we go ahead and buy then have to sell at a loss later in the year.
cheers Martin
 
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The Dvla have no record of the model, but is registered as a class 4 camper van, which looks to have been registered as converted in 2016.

Its had MOT advisory’s recently.....nothing bad. Worn front tyre, binding hand brake and a chipped windscreen.

Oh and a failure for the horn not working, which now must be fixed.

The thing I’d be concerned with and would definitely be checking.....is that the emissions are registered as 999g/km, which would make it a group M road tax.....which is at present £580 pa. if paid in one payment. I’m sure this must be wrong, but ask what the road tax is a year, to avoid any nasty surprises.
XxAnthxX - Superb detective work! I had checked the MOT record on line and it didn't worry me. But the emissions thing and and group M is a great spot by you. I can feel a text to the seller coming on (y)
 
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Does look a nice van for the money, albeit with a decent mileage on the clock.

But, as has been suggested, do check carefully if the sleeping arrangements will work properly for you.

It does sound like the damp is most likely a plumbing issue, which should be straightforward to sort out, provided the water heater/boiler isn't US.

Good luck, whatever you decide. (y)
Thanks Mike - my wife really liked it and if she is happy I'm happy, but doesn't mean that I won't be following all the great advice on here. I agree that it seems a plumbing issue everything else was dry as far as I could see,

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If its not registered as a motorcaravan I would expect insurance to be for a builders etc van which wouldn't include anything inside.
It is registered as a camper van.....

One of my converted vans was registered and insured as such the other was still registered as a van but insured as a camper with Anthony Evans, who I really rate, they specialise in horse box with accommodation conversions and motorcycle carriers (race vans) with accomodation.

Reasonable flat rate quotes with no no claims required or gained.
 
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Hi Pappajohn this needs investigating!

Apparently it is registered as a M/H
It’s still definitely worth asking the question and checking the log book...it was actually documented on one of the MOT‘s. it appears it was re-registered with the DVLA in 2016, possibly when converted.

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Run for the hills there's always another one if this is what you can see.............................................
May have to do that yet - - will see what happens this weekend

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I only discovered that there was a small water leak at the water heater in my pressurised system when the pump would burst into life for a couple of seconds at night when the system wasn't being used in order to restore pressure . It took me several nights of being woken up by the pump before I realised what was causing it.
Good call Spriddler - will flag this up to the seller and see if his water pump is coming on unexpectedly
 
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The van doesn't appear to be a named brand but a self-build. Nothing wrong with that (providing it's been converted by a skilled person) but it becomes difficult to assess it's true market value because there is no comparison with branded vans. You may also find it's more expensive to insure and the insurers may request an engineers report.

When buying a van I always consider how easy it would be to sell when the time comes.
 
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The van doesn't appear to be a named brand but a self-build. Nothing wrong with that (providing it's been converted by a skilled person) but it becomes difficult to assess it's true market value because there is no comparison with branded vans. You may also find it's more expensive to insure and the insurers may request an engineers report.

When buying a van I always consider how easy it would be to sell when the time comes.
Hi Wagoneer I've texted the seller asking if its a self build and if his insurance is high but he's still to get back - it does seem like it will turn out to be a self build though. He's asking 20K for it - on first look do you think this is reasonable?
I agree that consideration needs to be made about re-selling.

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Good call Spriddler - will flag this up to the seller and see if his water pump is coming on unexpectedly
My leak was about a drip every 20 seconds but enough to trigger the pump once a night after the water system had been unused for 4 or 5 hours, in my case at about 4 a.m.
Bear in mind that my pressurised system has one 16lbs p.s.i. pressure sensing switch integral with the pump.
A leak in an unpressurised system won't trigger the pump as it will have taps with micro switches which when turned on trigger the pump electrically.
 
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My leak was about a drip every 20 seconds but enough to trigger the pump once a night after the water system had been unused for 4 or 5 hours, in my case at about 4 a.m.
Bear in mind that my pressurised system has one 16lbs p.s.i. pressure sensing switch integral with the pump.
A leak in an unpressurised system won't trigger the pump as it will have taps with micro switches which when turned on trigger the pump.
I've texted him with your hypothesis plus quite a few other queries that other members suggested I raise with him. Although he seemed a totally decent sort I would imagine him getting a bit fed up with all my questions after a while. Probably sell the van out from under me to someone who just comes and buys as seen. Still - lots of fish in the sea and I'm learning lots even from my short time on here.
 
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When buying a van I always consider how easy it would be to sell when the time comes.
Have you seen how much ‘builders’ Vans are selling for......and how sought after they are?

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We had an occasional leak in our previous motorhome, an Adria, which we thought was because of a loose connection somewhere. After a lot of checking we realised it was coming from the water heater. Several pin holes in the main water jacket ended up costing me £570 to get repaired.

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Starting to think that he may have overpriced his van. Will go in with much lower offer and see how he reacts.

IMO the asking price is a bit cheeky for a self build on an older base van. It's a seller's market for staycation campervans, plenty of eager novices with cash, so I expect he's aiming high.
 
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Although he seemed a totally decent sort I would imagine him getting a bit fed up with all my questions after a while.
Chill. After all, you're not buying a pair of socks.
Asking questions costs you nothing - questions are far cheaper than correcting costly faults.
 
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IMO the asking price is a bit cheeky for a self build on an older base van. It's a seller's market for staycation campervans, plenty of eager novices with cash, so I expect he's aiming high.
Been on for over a week now though and have noticed that other similar vans are priced around 16k some are even 13k. A nice VW crafter going for 18750 so I definitely think its too pricey.

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We had an occasional leak in our previous motorhome, an Adria, which we thought was because of a loose connection somewhere. After a lot of checking we realised it was coming from the water heater. Several pin holes in the main water jacket ended up costing me £570 to get repaired.
How did you find out that it was your water heater?
 
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Chill. After all, you're not buying a pair of socks.
Asking questions costs you nothing - questions are far cheaper than correcting costly faults.
Good advice. It took a long time to save the money for this (endowment policy maturing) and I agree its important not to get carried away when looking. Exciting but nerve wracking at the same time.
 
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The clue is in the pipes, joints that carry water, if it had been damp for any amount of time the area would be discoloured, any wood would be blown etc etc.
Don't be put off get round there with the owner and inspect the pipes for any leaks it'll take minutes when the system is pressurised to find out if the there is a leak or not.

We use tissue paper as a "tell" when tracing leaks - both in the house and the van.

Still - lots of fish in the sea and I'm learning lots even from my short time on here.

If it's for you it won't go by you.

I'd be looking at some of the dealers as well - I think there is a place just off the old A1 near Tranent that has vans for sale - they sell as an agency for the owners

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and there will be many more around. Worth going and kicking tyres anywhere that is open.

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I find it hard to be cheeky when saying to a seller 'I'll give you x below asking price' and don't have much experience at all at it. For you experienced negotiators out there what price should I come back to him with - is £15k too low?
 
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Yeah, regardless of how excited you are when you first see the van, this can happen once you spot a damp patch :cool:

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Just skimming this thread again, I would walk away from this mate. You have had a caravan, a panel van is going to be so claustrophobic by comparison, if you start with any doubts about it you could end up hating it and trying to sell it on. How would you like to do that with what you know now.
 
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I find it hard to be cheeky when saying to a seller 'I'll give you x below asking price' and don't have much experience at all at it. For you experienced negotiators out there what price should I come back to him with - is £15k too low?

Why would you feel cheeky, it's your hard earned cash, if you feel you really want the van go back for another look, discuss the points you aren't happy with and then make your offer £15k is a good starting point, he'll either make a counter offer or not move on price, whatever be prepared to walk away there are plenty of vans out there.
Good luck to you whatever action you take.
 
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Why would you feel cheeky, it's your hard earned cash, if you feel you really want the van go back for another look, discuss the points you aren't happy with and then make your offer £15k is a good starting point, he'll either make a counter offer or not move on price, whatever be prepared to walk away there are plenty of vans out there.
Good luck to you whatever action you take.
Thanks - will hopefully be going back this weekend and after digesting all the great advice here will be in a better position to negotiate.

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Right, sorry to be negative, but to the trained eye, this looks like a very cheap conversion using a wrecked caravan. Overhead lockers too tall and don't flow through. The toilet area is basic to say the least and no swivel seats to use the cab onsite.

IF this is the product of a wrecked caravan, that leak may be a damaged water heater so an expensive item to replace. The biggest issue may be the insulation that was or was not installed during the conversion

£15k is tops for this type of van usually but may be up to £16-17 if prices stay so high

Just too many what if's for my liking and I would certainly be looking elsewhere. And I used to buy and sell motorhomes as a sideline so seen this sort of van too many times
 
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