Motorhome Vehicle Excise Duty

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BBC Look North tonight had a feature on the 700% increase in VED for motorhomes and its potential impact on converters and tourism. Anyone see it?
 
As I recall, first year was a couple of grand plus and subsequent years 600 quid plus, compared with £265 per year for my old beast. I'm sure others on here are conversant with the full facts.

So, not much incentive to buy a new cleaner vehicle -- stick with a "dirty" old one!
 
as "vans" are now classed as cars can we now park where it says no motorhomes allowed !!!! and when plodette's arrive to move you on you can argue that you are a car because that's how the DVLA/goverment see it .
 
POH said:
as "vans" are now classed as cars can we now park where it says no motorhomes allowed !!!! and when plodette's arrive to move you on you can argue that you are a car because that's how the DVLA/goverment see it .
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You are confusing your own definition of a "car" with the legal definition of a "motor car".

Most motorhomes and commercial vans with a MAM of 3500 kgs have always been motor cars, due to their unladen weight:

“motor car”means a mechanically propelled vehicle, not being a motor cycle or an invalid carriage, which is constructed itself to carry a load or passengers and the weight of which unladen—
(a)if it is constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects, is adapted to carry not more than seven passengers exclusive of the driver and is fitted with tyres of such type as may be specified in regulations made by the Secretary of State, does not exceed 3050 kilograms,
(b)if it is constructed or adapted for use for the conveyance of goods or burden of any description, does not exceed 3050 kilograms, or 3500 kilograms if the vehicle carries a container or containers for holding for the purposes of its propulsion any fuel which is wholly gaseous at 17.5 degrees Celsius under a pressure of 1.013 bar or plant and materials for producing such fuel,
(c)does not exceed 2540 kilograms in a case not falling within sub-paragraph (a) or (b) above

(Sec 185, Road Traffic Act 1988)

All other goods or passenger vehicles including buses, coaches, large lorries and motorhomes which due to their weight do not fall within the definition of a motor car, are are heavy motor cars.

That doesn't mean that traffic signs and regulations placing restrictions on buses, goods vehicles or other types of vehicles including motorhomes are unenforceable. They are all types of motor car or heavy motor car. It just happens that vehicle excise duty legislation denotes some tax bands in relation to the broad classifications rather than the narrower descriptions of vehicle types.

So good luck with Mr Plod and the magistrates (y)
 
Trouble is, the gov say the new rate is to incentavise the move to cleaner transport but there is no option available to us ( no REASONABLE option )
And without new vans being sold makers have no money to invest in a cleaner future
All in all it is just another head n the sand, two fingers in the air government policy
 
And (though I’m not complaining) my 5.5 tonne MH comes in at £165, only £70 more than my motorised cycle.
 
End of the day though if you want a new van you "want a new van" and you have to play by the rules at the time, if you spit your dummy out and don't buy who is the one without the new van they wanted? so who suffers.

Martin

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Its now no different than paying £40,000 for a new diesel car/ 4x4.
I was chatting to a mate of mine who has just bought an F-Pace Diesel and he said good, why should someone buying a motorhome (Luxury purchase not needed) Pay any less than someone buying an expensive car.
He had a point!
 
funflair said:
End of the day though if you want a new van you "want a new van" and you have to play by the rules at the time, if you spit your dummy out and don't buy who is the one without the new van they wanted? so who suffers.

Martin
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The increase in road tax did act as an incentive to us.

We bought just before it came into effect.
 
Has anyone twigged that the “very healthy” sales reported by many manufacturers and dealers at the October NEC show were probably mainly for in stock models that weren’t going to get hit for the new VED? Bailey and Hymer to name but two manufacturers are reported to have bought in stocks of non-qualifying chassis to build on and save their customers money. It’s only short term though as when they’ve gone they’ve gone and watch those sales plummet.

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Does it still apply to 'slightly' used new ones from abroad?????? you know ones with a few hundred miles on and no emissions figure. and which weigh 4 ton.
 
Most motorhomes are luxury itesm, with the exception of the handfull of full timers. On that basis surely it is reasonable that they are treated for taxation as such? It's only by a loophole that they were not being penalised in the same way that the expensive luxury but no doubt gas guzzling car has been. And we all know that, even with the latest version engines, a van will have poor fuel economy and high emissions compared to moderate cars.

Yes raised tax is a problem for some manufacturer's, dealers and some employment. But let's get real, if the country is to take climate change seriously, the days of motorhoming in it's current form probably do have to be numbered (as would many forms of leisure travel). It will be decades before the MH can have effective alternative fuel after all how are you going to recharge not only the vehicle but also leisure batteries when you are parked up in a field and your 100W solar won't cut it. In other threads, people complain about overcrowded motorhome facilities, so perhaps rising taxes is also a disincentive to purchase to limit the strain on those facilities.

The challenge may well be at the modest end of the market, those vans that are retailing for the £40k to perhaps 60k region - so not just MH's but also the ubiquitous VW type camper. Proportionately the added VEL is a lot. Above that level the proportionate costs reduce to be perhaps less of a barrier.

Short term we'll huff and puff that it's all a bit costly. Give it a couple of years and those that would have bought new, will again do so (with no doubt other ecomonic and environmental factors affecting that decision), but the limited new sales in the meantime may also lead to higher second hand prices if the new sales had diminished.
 
As far as I know, road tax.
Kannon Fodda motorhomes tend to do less mileage than cars.
Still think they should abolish road tax and all the costly administration that goes with it and put it on the fuel. That way,noone escapes.
 
TeeMyob said:
Just to clarify?

Is this road tax or purchase tax?
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There are two elements. The luxury purchase tax is imposed on vehicles which have a list price in excess of £40K. If the vehicle attracts the luxury tax rate, then its annual VED charge for the first 5 years also attracts a surcharge related to the level of its emissions. The additional rates are included in the annual VED rate and paid as a single element.

Once the additional tax has been paid, the annual rate of tax from year 6 is substantially less than the current PLG rate.
 
GWAYGWAY said:
Does it still apply to 'slightly' used new ones from abroad?????? you know ones with a few hundred miles on and no emissions figure. and which weigh 4 ton.
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over 3.5 ton LGV road tax
 
Theonlysue said:
As far as I know, road tax.
Kannon Fodda motorhomes tend to do less mileage than cars.
Still think they should abolish road tax and all the costly administration that goes with it and put it on the fuel. That way,noone escapes.
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I’m six months of motorhoming I’ve done half the total mileage achieved in my two year old car that’s used for work ;)
 
If the new VED is related to emissions. and being under 3500 kgs surely it should also apply to over this weight. Generally this group have higher emissions and are more than £40,000.

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origins?

car = motor car = motorised carriage
 
Got to be good for the caravan manufacturers though as they will be the beneficiaries. Some will hold on to the existing vehicles, some will by 2nd hand (which will keep values up) and a large proportion of first timers in particular, will surely go for a caravan instead?

Although Swift also make caravans.....
 
ramsthom said:
If the new VED is related to emissions. and being under 3500 kgs surely it should also apply to over this weight. Generally this group have higher emissions and are more than £40,000.
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I believe this is what now happens, the above or below 3500kg no longer makes any difference to the VED rate on new motorhomes. If over £40,000 they will all be treated the same as luxury cars for VED purposes.
 
I have been giving this some thought..
Until such time as the technology reached the stage where we can drive 200(ish) miles, then recharge sufficient to do another 200 miles in a max of 15 minutes electric vehicles are unlikely to be a viable contender to an ICE ..
My idea, as muted some 6 years ago, of having standardised batteries that are swapped out automatically at 'gas stations' has to my knowledge never even been looked at
You pull into the garage over a pad. Pad slides away and the flat battery hooked out to be replaced with a charged unit
Flat battery automatically gets shunted off to be charged..
Using that method would negate the issue of cars being valueless after 8 years or so, would negate the issue of 'can I get there without having to stop for an hour or so' AND would lead to a standardised cost and the ability for garages to make profit in much the same was as they do with fuel

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