Lpg gas adapter help

[TobyQuest]

My Japanese gas bottle needs refilling in Spain and I can't figure out what type of adapter I need. I had someone at a garage refill it once very quickly and easily however I need to refill it again and no one I can find has the right adapter. Any ideas?

 

[TobyQuest]

By the way, the thread tightens by turning anti clockwise not clockwise as is the case for most things

 

[namwaldog]

Looks and sounds like a Pol connector as supplied for most gas bottles, esp Calor, in the UK.
Dont have any personal experience but I understand there is a company near Estepona, Costa del Sol that will refill it for you. If you are anywhere near there I can look them up for you.

Otherwise you will have to get a Spanish gas bottle that will fit in your locker and the requisite adaptor/regulator to connect to your Van's supply.
Any idea of the size of the Japanese cylinder ? Looks like a 6kg ?

Barry

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Doubt you will get that filled except illegally. Best to buy a Spanish bottle and adaptor and connect it to your inlet regulator.

 

[Raul]

You can get a adaptor, as I got a pol to dish. You probably need pol to spanish. But as mentioned, that bottle, I don’t think its meant to be refilled by public.

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[Bessy765]

Will look out for you when your van catches fire as a result of liquid gas entering your system. Refillable bottles have a safety cut off at 80% to prevent this from happening. I am aware people have filled them, but it’s illegal and potentially dangerous.

 

[TobyQuest]

Very unlikely it would catch on fire.
I don't see the big deal. If I have an 8kg tank, it's empty and I put 6kg in it then it's less than 80 percent full.

 

[Bessy765]

You may in an extreme case get liquid gas through to your burners or the fridge pilot, this will flare up as it will be many times the required amount hence the risk of a fire. Yes you can put 6 kg of gas in an empty 8garage kg tank. But get it wrong and look out. With the 80% cut off there are no mistakes. Overconfidence and a complete disregard for safety or the law could result in problems.

 

[Raul]

Your are talking about liquid take of. In a gas take off you don’t get liquid in the system, even on overfill. The danger on overfill is much grater than few flames. Tank can rupture of excess pressure. It does not have the space to expand. LPG varies in pressure in line with temperature and the hotter outside, the greater the pressure. No space to expand, the liquid will make its way out weather you use it or not.

 

[Reallyretired]

If you are in Spain, just get a Spanish gas bottle. Bottled gas is cheap in Spain, cheaper than refilling with autogas.

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[Pausim]

I see you describe yourself as a semi-newbie. My advice is if you want a refillable bottle buy one and don’t use one that is not designed for it. Potentially dangerous and likely to get us all banned from using LPG pumps.

 

[bobandjanie]

Apart from it being illegal, your 8 kg gas bottle has 7.3kg on it. ?
Are you sure it's not 6kg, because Calor gas 6kg bottles weigh from 7.3kg empty, so your calculation could be dangerously over your estimate. ?

 

[Canyon904]

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My Japanese gas bottle needs refilling in Spain and I can't figure out what type of adapter I need. I had someone at a garage refill it once very quickly and easily however I need to refill it again and no one I can find has the right adapter. Any ideas?

Safefill bottles use the same thread adapter. www.safefill.co.uk I bought the French one a few years ago (very expensive)

 

[TobyQuest]

Many of you seem to be making a big deal about it when I think there's really no reason to panic. I imagine the people who work at the petrol stations that sell LPG know about LPG. One might expect they do some kind of training before getting the job.

The fact that numerous Spanish petrol stations have the adapters, some have while boxes full of them and even refill the bottles for you. Would they be doing that if it really was as dangerous as many of you are making out? I doubt it.

It's relative, perhaps many of you here are getting on a bit and with age comes risk aversion, so I'll factor that in, but I'm happy to take a certain level of risk as long as it's not dangerous and I don't consider this to be, given the prevalence of it and I've never heard of anyone's MH exploding because the gas can was filled at a petrol station instead of a company.

The bottle has 7.3kg written on it. I plan to fill it to just over half until I learn a lot more about how they work and potentially buy a foreign bottle that fits the majority of countries around the world. Which country sells the most universally used bottle?

 

[Stanbrook]

goodluck with the refill

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[denisejoe]

Many of you seem to be making a big deal about it when I think there's really no reason to panic. I imagine the people who work at the petrol stations that sell LPG know about LPG. One might expect they do some kind of training before getting the job.

The fact that numerous Spanish petrol stations have the adapters, some have while boxes full of them and even refill the bottles for you. Would they be doing that if it really was as dangerous as many of you are making out? I doubt it.

It's relative, perhaps many of you here are getting on a bit and with age comes risk aversion, so I'll factor that in, but I'm happy to take a certain level of risk as long as it's not dangerous and I don't consider this to be, given the prevalence of it and I've never heard of anyone's MH exploding because the gas can was filled at a petrol station instead of a company.

The bottle has 7.3kg written on it. I plan to fill it to just over half until I learn a lot more about how they work and potentially buy a foreign bottle that fits the majority of countries around the world. Which country sells the most universally used bottle?

Nothing like that in U.K. petrol stations

 

[The Wino]

Many of you seem to be making a big deal about it when I think there's really no reason to panic. I imagine the people who work at the petrol stations that sell LPG know about LPG. One might expect they do some kind of training before getting the job.

The fact that numerous Spanish petrol stations have the adapters, some have while boxes full of them and even refill the bottles for you. Would they be doing that if it really was as dangerous as many of you are making out? I doubt it.

It's relative, perhaps many of you here are getting on a bit and with age comes risk aversion, so I'll factor that in, but I'm happy to take a certain level of risk as long as it's not dangerous and I don't consider this to be, given the prevalence of it and I've never heard of anyone's MH exploding because the gas can was filled at a petrol station instead of a company.

The bottle has 7.3kg written on it. I plan to fill it to just over half until I learn a lot more about how they work and potentially buy a foreign bottle that fits the majority of countries around the world. Which country sells the most universally used bottle?

The best thing is to get a refillable bottle then you will have a separate fill point not have to get the cylinder in and out have a safety cut off which means you can top up before getting empty and just have a few adapters for different countries.

 

[Pausim]

Yes I am an older risk averse person. Perhaps that is why I got to be older, I don’t mess with dangerous substances, cut corners and break sensible regulations just to save a few pennies.

 

[jollyrodger]

Possibly the same as a propane fit?
Had plenty of use over the years.
Must be done on an empty bottle.
And close bottle before disconnection. Some forget that, once.
I'm still around

 

[Pausim]

PS Saint Toby/Tobias died from burning.

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[jollyrodger]

Was he filling a bottle at the time

 

[gus-lopez]

Bottled gas is cheap in Spain, cheaper than refilling with autogas.

But only if you use the government price controlled 12,5 kg ones.

One might expect they do some kind of training before getting the job.

You would think that .

Would they be doing that if it really was as dangerous as many of you are making out? I doubt it.

They'd be doing anything around here including filling coke bottles with petrol.

Which country sells the most universally used bottle?

Each have there own or many different ones .

 

[thebriars]

Very unlikely it would catch on fire.
I don't see the big deal. If I have an 8kg tank, it's empty and I put 6kg in it then it's less than 80 percent full.

I personally cannot understand why a newbie spends a load of money on a motorhome, and then puts himself and others at risk by trying to save a few quid and avoid buying a replacement gas cylinder, or a refillable one. You might think it is safe, but wiser people than yourself have banned the practice in many countries.

Indeed if you really think you are safe, perhaps consider the simple fact that they don't sell LPG by weight but by volume. OK you can work out the correction, and perhaps calculate any difference due to temperature. Hope your maths is good.

 

[Pausim]

Indeed if you really think you are safe, perhaps consider the simple fact that they don't sell LPG by weight but by volume. OK you can work out the correction, and perhaps calculate any difference due to temperature. Hope your maths is good.

You also need to know the butane content, some countries have higher butane content than others and this also affects the weight calculation.

 

[pj650]

I am also an older risk averse person. I also used to drive a “flammable gas” tanker. The rules and regulations
are in place because of the nature of the product. In normal use there shouldn’t be any problems, but when things go wrong it can be disastrous for the user and others. But who is to say when it’s going to go wrong?
If the gas bottle isn’t designed to be re-fillable, then please don’t fill it yourself. It is dangerous !!
It goes against all safe working practice. We all like to save a few bob, but there’s no cutting corners with gas.
OK, rant over......please please please be safe.

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[thebriars]

You also need to know the butane content, some countries have higher butane content than others and this also affects the weight calculation.

Add to that a Japanese bottle! WTF? I presume the OP speaks fluent Japanese to be sure it suitable for purpose. Heaven only knows what pressure the Japanese use in their bottles, and indeed even whether it is for butane/propane, it could be for a completely different gas.

 

[rick brind]

Just don't even think about it. How did you end up with a Japanese bottle anyway?

 

[peterc10]

Many of you seem to be making a big deal about it when I think there's really no reason to panic. I imagine the people who work at the petrol stations that sell LPG know about LPG. One might expect they do some kind of training before getting the job.

The fact that numerous Spanish petrol stations have the adapters, some have while boxes full of them and even refill the bottles for you. Would they be doing that if it really was as dangerous as many of you are making out? I doubt it.

It's relative, perhaps many of you here are getting on a bit and with age comes risk aversion, so I'll factor that in, but I'm happy to take a certain level of risk as long as it's not dangerous and I don't consider this to be, given the prevalence of it and I've never heard of anyone's MH exploding because the gas can was filled at a petrol station instead of a company.

The bottle has 7.3kg written on it. I plan to fill it to just over half until I learn a lot more about how they work and potentially buy a foreign bottle that fits the majority of countries around the world. Which country sells the most universally used bottle?

No the petrol station staff are not trained. In my experience most of them know less than I do about filling gas bottles. And filling gas bottles that are designed only to be filled by the original supplier is risky, and therefore dangerous.

Gas bottles are peculiar to each country, although they often use the same thread, a bottle bought in one country cannot be accepted in exchange for a full one in any other country. The only exception I think is Portugal and Spain, but I may be wrong. That is why many of us buy and fit proper user refillable bottles with an 80% cut off valve that are designed to be fool proof. That, along with an exterior filling point and the 4 different adaptors that cover European countries, enable us to safely fill our bottles at the Autogas pumps that you find in petrol stations all over Europe.

 

[Chris CM]

Use a non approved bottle and have an accident with it and your insurance will be invalid. Is it really worth the risk of blowing up what looks like a 50k+ Motorhome for the sake of a couple of hundred quid to get the right kit!

 

[thebriars]

Just don't even think about it. How did you end up with a Japanese bottle anyway?

Its a Japanese imported van. Must have been left in it.