How significant are we motorhomers?

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We have had a many posts about how we think councils should do more for us motorhomers and how much benefit we are to local traders, the local economy, etc.

So it got me wondering just how significant we are?

I started thinking (dangerous at my age) about numbers, some of these I got from the web, others are guestimates based on information gleaned – if anyone has good information about average occupancy & number of days motorhomers spend in them in the UK I would be happy to revise these ramblings. Also, I got thrown out of school at 15, so if anyone on here can do maths, please check my workings!

There are around 250,000 motorhomes in the UK and currently growing (but for how long?)

Average occupancy say 1.5 people per van (many couples, many singles and some families)

That would equate to 0.568% of the population of the UK or less than 6 in a 1000

If you increase the average occupancy to 2, that would equate to 0.757% of the population (less than 8 in a 1000)

For comparison an estimated 9.6% of the population ski/snowboard & 2.2% play bowls

Now, if we were to look at Motorhome usage and say that they are used on average 100 days per year (lots of full timers, but equally many working people with MH in storage – so I think this figure may be too high) and of that 50% of days used are outside of the UK - That would mean an average of 0.078% of the UK population motorhoming at any one time in the UK with an average occupancy of 1.5 (that’s less than 8 in 10,000)

If we were to increase the average occupancy to 2 then that would equate to 0.104% for 100 days per year in the van (again assuming 50% of time spent away is outside of the UK) just over 1 in a 1000

Now these are just simple equations & averages and there are potentially many other factors that you could take into account (motohomers from overseas, vans used as a motorhome but not registered as a motor caravan, tourist destinations, seasonality, if the UK was more ‘motorhome friendly’ etc.) But no matter how we look at it, motorhoming is pretty small beer, although for many of us on here it’s the only thing in the world that matters (and why not)

As for spending in the local economy, there aren’t many of us and I suspect that a lot of ‘local’ spending is done with national/international companies (supermarkets, pub/restaurant chains, etc.) so if no one motorhomed we would just spend the money closer to home with the same company! (for example, me buying a Greggs steak bake & diet coke in Swindon instead of my home town, is not going to make much difference to Swindon’s local economy or Gregg’s regional sales figures – but YUM!

All this leads me to realise that those people who invest their money & time (and there are some on here) in providing facilities for us motorhomers are enthusiasts & certainly not in it for the money!

I would even go so far as to suggest that the only way to make a small fortune out of motorhomers, is to start with a large fortune:)
 
Seems that the French and Germans must have it all wrong then and should reconsider free or low cost Aires and stelplatz places:xThumb:
 
I think your 100 days usage is way too high. Somewhere between 14 and 21 would be my guess. Lots of MHs just sit on a drive and get used once or twice a year.
 
but go back to the first french airres .
they were set up because m,caravans werent allowed in campsites .
neither were caravans but the french didnt hardly have any.
tents were the way .
the m,home clubs and manufacturers got together and got free aires in some towns and villages , very often by the railway station or places not really used much.
later the wine folk said park in our yard and you can buy wine etc.
the french m,homers were very used to free parking anywhere also good at making a mess . they did look after the airres and more came along.
for us in uk we have always been starting from a different start point.
but over the years have never really caused a fuss or a real chaos to get noticed.
if all motor homers stopped using campsites we might get noticed .
 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/660546/europe-number-of-people-skiing-by-country/

The person who estimared 9.6% of the population ski or snowboard should get a job with the Bank of England!

I used the same website as your link for the information, it gave a figure in thousands of 6,340 for the UK

Which is 6.34 million, with a population of 66 million equates to 9.6%

I have tried to look at the figures again, but the site won't let me without payment!

If someone could please check the link, that would be great

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We left the Hymer at home last week and set off in the car combining a funeral we wanted to attend and a short break in Whitby. What surprised us was how busy the town was in late November, we really struggled to find a hotel with a vacant room, the pubs, bars and restaurants were also very busy.
A quick recount of our expenditures,
Accommodation £300
Meals out £200
Drinks, treats and a bit of Christmas shopping £250
That’s approx £750 spent in town, I wonder what the average visiting moho spends ?
 
We have had a many posts about how we think councils should do more for us motorhomers and how much benefit we are to local traders, the local economy, etc.

So it got me wondering just how significant we are?

I started thinking (dangerous at my age) about numbers, some of these I got from the web, others are guestimates based on information gleaned – if anyone has good information about average occupancy & number of days motorhomers spend in them in the UK I would be happy to revise these ramblings. Also, I got thrown out of school at 15, so if anyone on here can do maths, please check my workings!

There are around 250,000 motorhomes in the UK and currently growing (but for how long?)

Average occupancy say 1.5 people per van (many couples, many singles and some families)

That would equate to 0.568% of the population of the UK or less than 6 in a 1000

If you increase the average occupancy to 2, that would equate to 0.757% of the population (less than 8 in a 1000)

For comparison an estimated 9.6% of the population ski/snowboard & 2.2% play bowls

Now, if we were to look at Motorhome usage and say that they are used on average 100 days per year (lots of full timers, but equally many working people with MH in storage – so I think this figure may be too high) and of that 50% of days used are outside of the UK - That would mean an average of 0.078% of the UK population motorhoming at any one time in the UK with an average occupancy of 1.5 (that’s less than 8 in 10,000)

If we were to increase the average occupancy to 2 then that would equate to 0.104% for 100 days per year in the van (again assuming 50% of time spent away is outside of the UK) just over 1 in a 1000

Now these are just simple equations & averages and there are potentially many other factors that you could take into account (motohomers from overseas, vans used as a motorhome but not registered as a motor caravan, tourist destinations, seasonality, if the UK was more ‘motorhome friendly’ etc.) But no matter how we look at it, motorhoming is pretty small beer, although for many of us on here it’s the only thing in the world that matters (and why not)

As for spending in the local economy, there aren’t many of us and I suspect that a lot of ‘local’ spending is done with national/international companies (supermarkets, pub/restaurant chains, etc.) so if no one motorhomed we would just spend the money closer to home with the same company! (for example, me buying a Greggs steak bake & diet coke in Swindon instead of my home town, is not going to make much difference to Swindon’s local economy or Gregg’s regional sales figures – but YUM!

All this leads me to realise that those people who invest their money & time (and there are some on here) in providing facilities for us motorhomers are enthusiasts & certainly not in it for the money!

I would even go so far as to suggest that the only way to make a small fortune out of motorhomers, is to start with a large fortune:)

Statistics can be twisted to prove almost anything:

Missing from the list is the amount paid to buy, service, tax and insure motorhomes.......

Not insignificant!
 
To get it in perspective , think how many trucks are having night out stops , how many specialized facilities are there for them ? not many , so don't expect much and you wont be disappointed :)

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A bit off track here but I have started sending a standard letter which I composed, and made copies which I keap in the van. If I have found easy parking or the rare overnight facility I send my letter to the chairman of the city or district councils thanking them for there consideration given to motorhome users, it can't do any harm and you never know it may hit a chord and do some good.
 
To get it in perspective , think how many trucks are having night out stops , how many specialized facilities are there for them ? not many , so don't expect much and you wont be disappointed :)

Not many visiting restaurants either.....................;)
 
I don’t live near a port :xThumb:
I used to..... Then they stopped dredging the harbour and made it a bloody yacht marina.

Grab, grab, grab.

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Would be nice to see some of the UK but just too much hassel, without even considering overnighting the biggest problem is you can't stop anywhere even for a few hours. Hight barriers on nearly every carpark and the one ones you can get in, dare to overhang a white you get a ticket.
 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/660546/europe-number-of-people-skiing-by-country/

The person who estimared 9.6% of the population ski or snowboard should get a job with the Bank of England!

So that means nearly one in ten people own ski,s or snowboard , I know an awful lot of people but dont know anyone that owns or uses either

Many rent ski & snowboard equipment and yes, the number surprised me as well, but looking at my nearest neighbours of 22 people 3 ski & 2 snowboard (including me & I snowboard, ski & occasionally Telemark but I only counted me once:))

I was thinking exactly the same thing. So i looked it up .. 6 million in the UK apparently . only 8 million French ski, AND THAT IS WHERE ALL THE BLOODY SNOW IS.

yes we are insignificant

Thanks for checking Phil, I thought I might have misread the numbers when I read what @billym had posted, but I didn't, these varifocals are better than I thought!
 
So let me get this straight

250000 motorhomes with an average occupancy of 1.5 =375000 (think that is a bit low)

400000 playing Bowls (think that's a bit high because that's a 2011 figures and that all I can find)

6.34000000 skiing/snowboarding (Who do you know who owns a pair of skis or snowboard - I know 2 and have at least 20 friends with motorhomes)

But Statistics are numbers that can be extrapolated any way you want


AS for affecting local economies think about this

Before you go away you stock up at a supermarket (not as bad as the Dutch who buy ALL their food before they leave)

You might go to the pub when away (how many are independent now ??) but at least they employ locals
You may fill up before the return trip how many of us go to the supermarket ??

Then think where are you stopping when away
A Club site ??
A Certified site/location ??
A commercial site ?? (Haven Park Resorts)
Wild camp ??
Car Park??

Out of all those only the Certified type and Council carparks help the local community
 
Why do we have to attack our own hobby with so many negative posts?:doh:

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Apparently, one in five people in the world are Chinese. And there are five people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum or my dad. Or my older brother, Colin. Or my younger brother, Ho-Chan-Chu.
But I think it's Colin.
 
Many rent ski & snowboard equipment and yes, the number surprised me as well, but looking at my nearest neighbours of 22 people 3 ski & 2 snowboard (including me & I snowboard, ski & occasionally Telemark but I only counted me once:))



Thanks for checking Phil, I thought I might have misread the numbers when I read what @billym had posted, but I didn't, these varifocals are better than I thought!


What the hell is Telemarking? Asking for a friend
 
What the hell is Telemarking? Asking for a friend

Telemark skiing is a skiing technique that combines elements of Alpine and Nordic skiing. Telemark skiing is named after the Telemark region of Norway, where the discipline originated. performed on skis to which only the toe of each boot is fixed, with the outer ski advanced and the knee bent.

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Telemark skiing is a skiing technique that combines elements of Alpine and Nordic skiing. Telemark skiing is named after the Telemark region of Norway, where the discipline originated. performed on skis to which only the toe of each boot is fixed, with the outer ski advanced and the knee bent.

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So its skiing then ...

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