How much might a 10amp hookup cost to provide

[AndyV]

This all brings back memories of a visit to one of those help yourself buffets. Plates were piled high & most went back for 3/4 helpings but the worst part was the amount of food left uneaten.
As for heating an awning, beggars belief.

 

[Gorse Hill]

Good question..

Miniature circuit-breaker are used for: − overload protection and − short circuit protection..
to achieve these two distinct functions they employ electro-magnetic release and thermal bi-metal release

1) To protect the cable from a dead short between L and N or L and E .. it will then trip instantaneously.. this is done by electro-magnetic release,

2) To protect from overload , but it won't trip at 10.5A .. it would need to be overloaded by a considerable amount and for a considerable period before it trips.. during this period it heats up internally and trips by thermal bi-metal release..

There are also three different types with different trip characteristics for different applications. Domestic MCBs are generally type B

Type Tripping Current Operating Time
Type B 3 To 5 time full load current 0.04 To 13 Sec
Type C 5 To 10 times full load current 0.04 To 5 Sec
Type D 10 To 20 times full load current 0.04 To 3 Sec

This explains in some depth https://library.e.abb.com/public/114371fcc8e0456096db42d614bead67/2CDC400002D0201_view.pdf

I’ve recently clamped an 100A HRC running at 140/170A on a TPN system, if they had D curve MCB as your rightly point out SJ could be dragging far more than 10A

 

[Jim]

Thanks all. Think I'm going to go down the 6amp route and put winter prices up by a quid. so in winter a pitch with electric would cost £13 rather than £12

 

[Ivory55]

I bet you checked with Sian to see if 6amp was ok for hairdryers and straighteners before you decided. Haha

 

[two]

Thanks all. Think I'm going to go down the 6amp route and put winter prices up by a quid. so in winter a pitch with electric would cost an extra £13 rather than £12

Good decision. You can monitor and adjust based on experience.

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[MichaelT]

they were all tuggers..Didn't have a single Funster visit this year yet

We visited in March

 

[sweetie]

@Jim @old-mo We Used Campsite at Newark last year they have a system leave a£10 deposit on arrivaland issue you a card insert a card into a box by electric point when you arrive, then remove it and re insert when leaving and the amount registers on office computer.
I googled seems if possible supplied by caravan park electrical services.
www.cpes.co.uk

Steve

 

[Drexxer]

We lost three lots of coin fed meters in the laundry room before switching back to tokens bought from the office

I am looking at credit card payment on line a full telemetric setup.

Sounds like you ought to invest in a decent alarm to protect your property!

 

[two]

Must've been a bit of a shock for someone trying to use them!

 

[Wildbill]

Our son is staying in our garden with the grand children over the school holidays has a fan heater ruing 24 hrs seven pounds
abut and his van is nice and toste warm we are pay as you go on our meter
bill

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[Mr Chrysalis]

they were all tuggers..Didn't have a single Funster visit this year yet

I nearly came, but it was a bit wet that weekend, so we went to Dorset, and got snow!

 

[Feltwell]

Blimey, we must be the exception. We went to a CL over the Easter weekend where electric is included (no option not to have it) but still a very reasonable £16 a night for the pitch. I didn't even bother to plug the van in! Why? Well, the only thing it would power would be the fridge. The heating is gas only. I have got a little oil-filled radiator but don't really use it, it gets in the way!

I used to feel guilty when we had a trailer tent and during *very* cold weather only we'd have a fan heater on low. In-laws had a caravan on a seasonal pitch site, we saw people there using 2 hookups, just so they could run an awning heater as well as electric heating in the van. Such bad & selfish behaviour.

Glad we've got the van now - quite deep snow coming back over the tops from near Barmouth to Welshpool on Monday!

 

[wigster]

Overwintered last year on a site in Norfolk . The site had metered electric a card system . Only electric we used was an oil filled rad 1500 watt not 24 7 and a halogen oven . When it was minus temps we were using about 3 quid 24 hours. I think in the end the only way is pay as you go on campsites to stop people abusing . Not cheap to set up but owners were recharging a master card from meters that people had not used all of there leccy. The warden told me it was a cash cow.He was charging a low pitch fee but a fiver leccy a night or 15 a weekend .

 

[autorouter]

I've stayed on ACSI sites in Spain, and on some of them electricity is all metered. The deal is, you get 4 kWh per day free, then pay for anything extra at some reasonable rate. Added on to your bill at the end of the stay.

So if you just want lights, battery charge and phone charging you don't have to pay a large lump sum. But if you want to heat the Costa Brava, you paya da costa.

 

[Gromett]

I occasionally stop at a nice CL near Leicester. He used to include electric in the pitch fees but it got abused. He was having to choose between increasing his rates from £10 to £15 for everyone or install meters. He ended up with vintage electric meters rejiggered to accept £1 coins. He had them set at 50% or 70% of the cost of the electric to ensure he didn't overcharge people.

My usage at peak is around 270 watts. So it takes me 4 hours to use a unit of electric. At night I use zero even in winter. I love going to that site because there is always a little residual leccy and it is usually enough to last me 3-4 days. I was there once for a week and the £1 I put in at the start still had half of it left at the end..

If Jim was to put vintage electric meters in I would be more than happy to feed it £1 coins

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[gus-lopez]

This all brings back memories of a visit to one of those help yourself buffets. Plates were piled high & most went back for 3/4 helpings but the worst part was the amount of food left uneaten.
As for heating an awning, beggars belief.

one restaurant overcame that by imposing a penalty charge for any food not eaten.

 

[eddie]

Did you ever find out who pinched the meter money ?

Scumbags!

Lost as in misplaced or lost as in purloined.

Ripped off walls

all sounds rather careless, for Eddie

I would have shot them if I'd been there (good for business lol)

I occasionally stop at a nice CL near Leicester. He used to include electric in the pitch fees but it got abused. He was having to choose between increasing his rates from £10 to £15 for everyone or install meters. He ended up with vintage electric meters rejiggered to accept £1 coins. He had them set at 50% or 70% of the cost of the electric to ensure he didn't overcharge people.

My usage at peak is around 270 watts. So it takes me 4 hours to use a unit of electric. At night I use zero even in winter. I love going to that site because there is always a little residual leccy and it is usually enough to last me 3-4 days. I was there once for a week and the £1 I put in at the start still had half of it left at the end..

If Jim was to put vintage electric meters in I would be more than happy to feed it £1 coins

Your nice, decent, and abnormal xxxx

 

[PeteH]

eBay item number:
131009670014
This would be quite simple to accommodate in most electric points.
There is a site in Kettlewell we use has them.
Chris

Hi. I had to chuckle when I saw where the seller lived?. (no I am not telling, go look)

Clue. "HOW Much!"

 

[olley]

Stayed at an Aire in the pyrannes in winter, 4amp leccky, about 100 vans there, we all survived. Even in my RV 4amp is enough.

 

[Jagtazman]

I think £2 or £3 extra for EHU is not unreasonable. Sometimes when stopping for 1 night we don't use EHU sometimes we do. But as others have said if its free why not use it.
Charge separate for it and if peeps complain them the the non ehu has been discounted for peeps not needing ehu.

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[ukbill]

For the reasons above,that's why i wouldn't provide lecu,to recharge batts yes,but here in the summer, I'd have a leci bill that would be eye watering,

 

[PJGWiltshire]

We have just returned to bricks and mortar after three years on the road. We Wintered in Spain this year and last year stayed in the UK from November through to the end of January bore heading to Goa(Flying).

During the Winter period, We stayed at few CLs with hardstanding and at no time were we pestered by the owners around Electric usage but due to Winter time not many suitable for our needs. We ran a blown air heater on EHU so god knows what that cost the owners.
We used a lot of MC club sites and although winter prices very reasonable we just took FULL advantage of their generous hospitably around the AMP supply, taking account what they charge in the nicer weather.
So I can see running Winter sites must be very expensive for owners for little financial return.

WE will be back on the road in a month as house now up for sale.

Just had the duel fuel bill in for 6 weeks and at £180 I just can't believe how much it cost to heat a house in Winter. Its cheaper to live on the road.

 

[Clive Mott]

Hookups should be a selectable option in todays modern world. Seperately charged and debited directly to your card. The more you use the more you pay. The trend in modern motorhomes is to use leccy for heating. Alde let you select 1, 2 or 3kw of leccy. Then the gas cooker had one leccy ring. And that fan heater you plant in the corner of the awning. So the mindset says if we have to have it irrespective then we shall fully exploit it.
I rememember christmassing at a Sethorns in the New Forest the lecccy kept going off due to overloading. All these awning fan heaters. So yes, if you are directly billed for what you actually consume then this also removes the greed aspect.
Just pondering.

 

[LesW]

Heating an awning is taking the p*ss!

 

[EuroTrotters]

Really bugs me when you have to pay for EHU just to charge batteries. Apart from one Motorhome, we have always heated on Gas.

I much prefer for EHU to be metred. Much fairer and this can be done in the UK. You just can’t charge more than your utilities supplier charges you.


If we rent out our house in the winter including bills, we can run out of 180kG of LPG in a few weeks. Along with a spinning water and electric meters.

If we set the rent at a lower rate plus, utilities as extra. The Gas never needs charging in 6 months and the electric and water are vastly reduced.

Because: if it’s included, the renters heat the whole house including empty rooms 24/7. Lots of baths instead of showers and house lit up like a Christmas tree.

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[john lillie]

10 years ago I was involved in building a 350 berth marina, first thing we did was install card operated electric posts that you could set to any charge per unit, having previously ran a small 10 berth operation with unlimited electric-lesson learnt!

 

[Puddleduck]

We lost three lots of coin fed meters in the laundry room.

The health charity where I worked had an honesty box for tea / coffee. We closed for a week to have minor building work done and carpets replaced. The honesty box was ripped from the wall mounting and taken (the base would have just unscrewed if the ******** had looked - but only pennies in it as we'd emptied it the Friday before) - the really nasty thing was that the box of tea bags and the jar of coffee were also taken - along with the sugar and sweetener - plus an out of date half pack of dried milk. Needless to say no one had seen anything but we have a very good idea of which company the thief worked for. There was also an attempt on the safe in the Boss's office, wish they had got in there as the Boss had forgotten the combination and lost the key a year previously ....... nothing in it as the lock smith had managed to get it open once the key loss was discovered - and after that it was never used. (cash box hidden elsewhere in the building - so security conscious!)

 

[Emmit]

My pet 'grouch' is to try and book a pitch without electricity to be told 'We only have pitches WITH lecky and we're charging you XXX for the privilege of not using it.

Are you listening (reading) C & CC Club.

 

[Jim]

My pet 'grouch' is to try and book a pitch without electricity to be told 'We only have pitches WITH lecky

What they are effectively saying to members is; You are probably a dishonest member and likely to steal electricity if we put you on a pitch that has electric you haven't paid for.

 

[busby]

they were all tuggers..Didn't have a single Funster visit this year yet

There is your answer,,ban all tuggers,,BUSBY

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