How much might a 10amp hookup cost to provide

[Blue Knight]

they were all tuggers..Didn't have a single Funster visit this year yet

That's because you're stingy with the leccy

Joking aside, I now know the real cost of electricity after plugging a 1500W oil heater in the van for 14-weeks over Xmas.

We received the bill the other day and the missus was not happy. It upped our Xmas bill by almost £500.

 

[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

they were all tuggers..Didn't have a single Funster visit this year yet

Really?

 

[tacr2man]

Instead of having wired EHU provide generators to each pitch , it will soon self regulate its own use

 

[Ivory55]

When you see Jim’s costs you start to see why the big boys charge what they do. The brother in law pays over 3 grand a year site fees for his static plus gas and electric. Huge numbers must be involved in the big sites supplying it all.

 

[DangerMousy]

Coin operated meters are still available. There is a labour element involved in emptying them and resealing them but they do have the advantage of being able to be fed as needed.

One issue with card meters is that unless you have cards for various amounts (more cost to you) you will get people moaning about half their credit being left on the meter when they leave and wanting refunds.

The very first time we went away in the MH it was to a site with card meters - they just sold £1 cards and you bought as many as you needed. Being newbies we only had a vague idea of how stuff worked, and no idea how much leccy we expected to use.....so we ran out a couple of times. It was a bit inconvenient, a coin meter would probably have been better - though as we don't carry much cash we'd have been a bit stuck there too unless we were forewarned. If you go for a coin meter would be a good idea to also get one of those machines that changes notes into coins? Something I've noticed on a few sites abroad is that rather than have meters they offer a lower price for a 6A connection and a higher one for 10/16A - I guess on the principle that you can't run a big bill on a 6A hook up.

On a CL type place I'd be happy with 6A: its enough to charge the bike batteries and other bits and bobs, and if we turn everything else off for a few minutes we can run the Tassimo or a low wattage hair dryer.

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[old-mo]

Instead of having wired EHU provide generators to each pitch , it will soon self regulate its own use

That might be another road to go down...

Couple or three Honda 1 genny`s in a locked box (Soundproof box/cupboard can be situated away from campers), them that want to rent for say a 2 or 3£ a night buy the petrol off the owner at today`s rate per litre..

1litre Honda big enough to run a fridge/TV/Lights charge battery`s etc... and just use gas for heating and oven/hob..

Cost a couple of grand...

 

[Ivory55]

I bet there are a lot that really only need EHU for the hair dryer, the rest is all ok on gas etc.

 

[two]

If a camper used 10A continuously, I reckon they’d be “cooked” within a day, even with the windows open. That’s an awful lot of heat for such a small space. Their heaters will not be taking their full potential over 24hrs, however, but switching on and off at random. I’d assume that a greedy user would use about a third of this (10A x 230V x 8h = 18.4kWh = £2.76/day @ 15p/kWh) but there’s a fair chance that they’d trip their bollard at some stage. I’d put their breakers in a locked cupboard, opened on request at a specified time only.

In practice, the maximum draw for the site will be limited by the size of the breaker at the distribution board and that may be only 32A but should only trip if there was a coordinated switching on of domestic kettles…

 

[Puddleduck]

One issue with card meters is that unless you have cards for various amounts (more cost to you) you will get people moaning about half their credit being left on the meter when they leave and wanting refunds.

One site we used (just the once) had card meters and the lowest value card was £15. We were only there one night..... still waiting for the money back off the card.

Another site we have used a few times read meters (well it is an honesty system in that the opening meter reading is on your receipt when you arrive and pay, you take the final reading and do the (basic) maths leaving the cash for the electric in an envelope and through the office door if you leave early morning or with the staff if the office is open. That is a lovely fair system and as they make it clear that is the way things are done when you book I have no issues with it. We have stayed on that site a few times and the most we paid for electric was £3 a night. One visit it averaged 60p a night!! And that is with medical equipment running 12 hours a day.

 

[Nasher]

I bet there are a lot that really only need EHU for the hair dryer, the rest is all ok on gas etc.

Not me, I suffer from premature kojakulation

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[2657]

A CS that we have used on our visits to the UK for the past ten years has just informed us that their charges are going from £12.50 to £15 a night due to the electricity used by 'residents' over the winter.

This hacks me off somewhat as we only use the site in July and August and our electricity use is minimal, another thing is being charged the full rate for electricity for a short overnight stop, especially in summer, we usually do without if there is a separate charge.

I do have sympathy for CL/CS owners for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread and realise that running one of these is more of a hobby than a business and will continue to use them.

 

[hchris]

eBay item number:
131009670014
This would be quite simple to accommodate in most electric points.
There is a site in Kettlewell we use has them.
Chris

 

[funflair]

Put a 3 amp breaker in that should stop some abuse, battery charging and possibly medical is all anybody should need really.

Martin

 

[tacr2man]

eBay item number:
131009670014
This would be quite simple to accommodate in most electric points.
There is a site in Kettlewell we use has them.
Chris

even cheaper

 

[mitzimad]

abroad they read the meters remotely when you pay your bill its already on it we know as we exceeded the acsi alowance and were charges 9 cents were were a bit peeved as we never got to see the readings till we left this was one night

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[Barky-Bill]

We were on a site in Cornwall in the snow that had the metered breakers fitted, didn't mind as the pitch rate was quite good and in 2 weeks we used about £30, but that was with electric hearing on most of the time, another site had the gizmo below fitted to all their seasonal users.

 

[filopastry]

Sadly a 10amp MCB doesnt limit supply to 10amp

I'm confused, not for the first time I must admit but I thought the idea of the 10amp mcb was to limit the power draw. Please explain cos I'm already down to the wood scrathing my head.

Ta Phil

 

[ludo]

If you are using a "breaker meter" to charge for supply I SUSPECT the meter would have to be properly certified, as any meter used for a chargeable supply is. I could be wrong but it needs checking before installation.

 

[scotjimland]

I'm confused, not for the first time I must admit but I thought the idea of the 10amp mcb was to limit the power draw. Please explain cos I'm already down to the wood scrathing my head.

Ta Phil

Good question..

Miniature circuit-breaker are used for: − overload protection and − short circuit protection..
to achieve these two distinct functions they employ electro-magnetic release and thermal bi-metal release

1) To protect the cable from a dead short between L and N or L and E .. it will then trip instantaneously.. this is done by electro-magnetic release,

2) To protect from overload , but it won't trip at 10.5A .. it would need to be overloaded by a considerable amount and for a considerable period before it trips.. during this period it heats up internally and trips by thermal bi-metal release..

There are also three different types with different trip characteristics for different applications. Domestic MCBs are generally type B

Type Tripping Current Operating Time
Type B 3 To 5 time full load current 0.04 To 13 Sec
Type C 5 To 10 times full load current 0.04 To 5 Sec
Type D 10 To 20 times full load current 0.04 To 3 Sec

This explains in some depth https://library.e.abb.com/public/114371fcc8e0456096db42d614bead67/2CDC400002D0201_view.pdf

 

[SpeedyDux]

This might seem a silly question, but why can't we cope with a 6 amp EHU?

I fail to understand the desire to replicate all the bricks and mortar power hungry appliances in a MH. Changing the lifestyle as well as the scenery is what makes it feel different from staying at home.

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[kelpie]

How much might a 10amp hookup cost to provide
In my opinion , priceless. When you need something you will pay for it. Unfortunately a few will kick the ar8e out of it . Same as waste water dumpers , a few spoil it for the majority. No smilies , I hate them.
John

 

[eddie]

I'm confused, not for the first time I must admit but I thought the idea of the 10amp mcb was to limit the power draw. Please explain cos I'm already down to the wood scrathing my head.

Ta Phil

No a 10 amp MCB can allow up to 50% over rating if introduced gradually. I just checked our last campsite electric bill £3,900 for the Month with a relatively quiet number of pitches taken, as opposed to an average of about £1200 with most pitches booked in the Summer

Our infrastructure was installed with 16amp in mind, but we limit it to 10amp to keep some lid on it!

 

[Ivory55]

This might seem a silly question, but why can't we cope with a 6 amp EHU?

I fail to understand the desire to replicate all the bricks and mortar power hungry appliances in a MH. Changing the lifestyle as well as the scenery is what makes it feel different from staying at home.

As said we are all different, some would be happy with gas lights and using a bucket for a toilet, others would want full mod cons.

 

[MikeD]

they were all tuggers..Didn't have a single Funster visit this year yet

We wanted to @Jim

 

[Minxy]

Jim, I'd suggest you lower your supply to 6amp, then if it does creep over, it will be within the 10amp you budget for.

Is there a 'no-electric' fee as well as one including it? We don't need it as we're self-sufficient but as other have said if it's included might as well use (but not abuse) it.

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[Bobby22]

Most sites that provide electricity do so with the costs averaged over the season. Winter usage is always going to have spikes and summer is going to have lows. If you are factoring in electric use to every pitch then you must take the rough with the smooth.
I agree that some will abuse it just because they can.

If people have the choice of paying for an electric pitch or not then they could take the option that suits them.

If they have no choice and must take electric then they are more likely to carry an electric heater and use it willy nilly.

I find it cheaper to use the heating in my van on gas ( and using it when needed) than have to pay 4 or 5 quid a night for electric. ( and over use it because its there )

 

[eddie]

Coin operated meters are still available. There is a labour element involved in emptying them and resealing them but they do have the advantage of being able to be fed as needed.

One issue with card meters is that unless you have cards for various amounts (more cost to you) you will get people moaning about half their credit being left on the meter when they leave and wanting refunds.

Cost wise coin op and card meters cost roughly the same apart from you need to buy cards for the card meters. You will need sealing pliers and seals for the coin op ones which is a cost but a tiny one. The installation is the same for both types.

One other thing to consider with meters of any description is that they don't tend to be water proof so will need to be either indoors somewhere or in an enclosure on the post.

We lost three lots of coin fed meters in the laundry room before switching back to tokens bought from the office

I am looking at credit card payment on line a full telemetric setup.

 

[Ivory55]

Did you ever find out who pinched the meter money ?

 

[daveandsan]

We lost three lots of coin fed meters in the laundry room before switching back to tokens bought from the office

Lost as in misplaced or lost as in purloined.

 

[two]

all sounds rather careless, for Eddie

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