DVLA and Euro 6C or 6D?

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I have just picked up my (brand) new PVC which is based on a Ducato 9 speed automatic. I had presumed it would be a Euro 6D or 6D temp but my V5 has just arrived and it states the van is a Euro 6c1. Can the V5 be wrong? How would I check if mine is 6D temp or 6D? and how do I get it changed if the section on the V5 for corrections doesn't include a part to correct that? Ive read that the DVLA are not answering punsters emails but I want to get this corrected. Any advice? thanks
 
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Unsure but maybe ask a friendly Fiat Commercial dealer to decode the VIN? We are currently looking at a brand new Pilote which is going to be registered as a 2021 vehicle, however due to the Covid, this is a 2019/2020 model which has sat unsold. Maybe same happened with your PVC?
 
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You need your certificate of conformarty from the dealer as a starting point.
Then with data from that you should be able to get clarification
 
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As it's the 9 speed auto I'm fairly certain it will be Euro 6D, as Phil says check your certificate of Conformity, your dealer should have given it to you on handover.
 
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The 9-speed auto came out in Ducato form for MHs/PVC in 2019 I believe but the Euro 6D engine was also launched around the same time so whilst I would expect only the 6D engine to come with the 9-speed auto its not beyond belief that there may be some late 6C engines combined with it.

The best bet is that if it doesn't state clearly on your COC what you have you need to contact Fiat Commercial for the details they have in their system which will be correct.

A bit of info here which might help ... or maybe not!

www.fleeteurope.com

Do you know your Euro 6 from your 6c and 6d-TEMP?

All new cars are Euro 6, but some are more Euro 6 than others.
www.fleeteurope.com www.fleeteurope.com

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Thanks for the replies. I have now checked the certificate of conformity and the paper states its a 6C1 but manufacture date is listed as 28/11/20. I'm now even more confused!! I'll try and ask Fiat next week.
 
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BooBooKing said:
Thanks for the replies. I have now checked the certificate of conformity and the paper states its a 6C1 but manufacture date is listed as 28/11/20. I'm now even more confused!! I'll try and ask Fiat next week.
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Ah, as that's on the COC that is likely the converters manufacture date or the date they received the base vehicle from Fiat, but not the base vehicle production date as I don't think Fiat etc were allowed to produce vehicles with the 6C engine from September 2019 but that doesn't mean that existing ones couldn't be converted after that date.
 
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Hi Minxy Girl-no, the certificate states the date of manufacture of the vehicle is 20/11/20 . It arrived in the U.K in January and was converted by Vantage between January and March. Very confusing!
 
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BooBooKing said:
Hi Minxy Girl-no, the certificate states the date of manufacture of the vehicle is 20/11/20 . It arrived in the U.K in January and was converted by Vantage between January and March. Very confusing!
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There's definitely something iffy then ... hopefully just an engine type error on the paperwork.
 
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Word reaches me that there are still unsold chassis cabs and vans in storage that are not Euro 6d, this apparently applies to several manufacturers.

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Interesting... I emailed Fiat and asked them-they need my VIN number (which I have supplied) and we shall see what they come up with!
 
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BooBooKing said:
Interesting... I emailed Fiat and asked them-they need my VIN number (which I have supplied) and we shall see what they come up with!
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The suspense is driving me crazy! 🤪
 
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I have now heard back from Fiat, and my vehicle is a Euro 6D as I thought it should be. The answer from Fiat is as follows:

Good morning Jackie

Thanks for the info.

My homologation team have advised me the following ;

The vehicle has Euro 6D temp emission standards which is currently in force.
The CI are emission characters that identify the emission standard the vehicle meets, They are not an emission standard as there is no Euro 6CI.
There is a Euro 6C not CI and Euro 6C emissions are identified by different emission character such as AC.
Everything is in order with the vehicle and it meets the correct requirements.

I hope this helps :)

Kind regards, Brian

My husband still has no idea of what this all means but I'm happy now I have it on paper anyway!
 
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BooBooKing said:
I have now heard back from Fiat, and my vehicle is a Euro 6D as I thought it should be. The answer from Fiat is as follows:

Good morning Jackie

Thanks for the info.

My homologation team have advised me the following ;

The vehicle has Euro 6D temp emission standards which is currently in force.
The CI are emission characters that identify the emission standard the vehicle meets, They are not an emission standard as there is no Euro 6CI.
There is a Euro 6C not CI and Euro 6C emissions are identified by different emission character such as AC.
Everything is in order with the vehicle and it meets the correct requirements.

I hope this helps :)

Kind regards, Brian

My husband still has no idea of what this all means but I'm happy now I have it on paper anyway!
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That's the good news, the not so good is that your next step is to get it changed on the V5C to the correct type otherwise in the future you could hit issues with going into emission zones etc as this is what they will base your vehicle category on ... might be an idea to leave it a little while though seeing as DVLA are threatening to strike!
 
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Minxy Girl said:
That's the good news, the not so good is that your next step is to get it changed on the V5C to the correct type otherwise in the future you could hit issues with going into emission zones etc as this is what they will base your vehicle category on ... might be an idea to leave it a little while though seeing as DVLA are threatening to strike!
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Annoyingly a large number of DVLA staff have now walked out over covid fears. 2 things occur to me 1 it's a bit late 2 my calculations suggest the DVLA staff infection rate is wildly different to the national rate and is significantly better than the rates for TfL. It trust that despite this BooBooKing gets this resolved with the minimum of difficulty and that DVLA staff return safely to work.

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Just had a look at my V5 it also states euro 6c1 however reading the threads above and the fact I have Adblue then it’s 6d temp.
 
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Just an update on the above. I wrote to the DVLA to ask that it be changed from a 6C1 to a 6D temp- I gave them the information from my dealer and from Fiat stating its a Euro 6D temp, and they wrote back to me today saying they can't change it because "their system will not allow the change that I requested"!! it seems the computer says no!! Oh and my van does have Adblue so yet further proof that its not Euro 6C1. I can't really think of anything else I can do here. Absurd!
 
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BooBooKing said:
I have just picked up my (brand) new PVC which is based on a Ducato 9 speed automatic. I had presumed it would be a Euro 6D or 6D temp but my V5 has just arrived and it states the van is a Euro 6c1. Can the V5 be wrong? How would I check if mine is 6D temp or 6D? and how do I get it changed if the section on the V5 for corrections doesn't include a part to correct that? Ive read that the DVLA are not answering punsters emails but I want to get this corrected. Any advice? thanks
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Don't worry about it, there's no difference in the engines.

6c is for those tested to WLTP standards and 6d & 6d TEMP are for those tested to RDE standard. Both are compliant, both are up to date.

The b's, c's, d's & TEMP's denote how the measurements are made they don't signify a lesser or greater standard.

It's a build up to Euro 7 which will be around for the 2025 diesel vans which coachbuilders will begin to be supplied with during the 3rd quarter of 2024 for their 2025 models..

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Just an update on the above. I wrote to the DVLA to ask that it be changed from a 6C1 to a 6D temp- I gave them the information from my dealer and from Fiat stating its a Euro 6D temp, and they wrote back to me today saying they can't change it because "their system will not allow the change that I requested"!! it seems the computer says no!! Oh and my van does have Adblue so yet further proof that its not Euro 6C1. I can't really think of anything else I can do here. Absurd!
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Totally ridiculous and, I suspect, not totally true. There must be a way to change it but maybe not while they are not working (sic) under normal conditions. A few years ago I bought my company car from the leasing company and an admin error resulted in the car being taxed twice (you'd have thought the computer would have said "No" but it isn't that clever). After one payment was credited back I was stopped by police as the computer said it wasn't taxed. When contacted DVLA could see what had happened but didn't know how to correct it - so they wiped the slate clean by issuing a completely new registration document! A bit extreme but why can't that be done in this case?
If it was me I'd appeal - as we saw last year, the difference between having 6c and 6d can be expensive; the fact that the engines are fundamentally the same is irrelevant when taxation and anti-emissions penalties are concerned.
 
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Totally ridiculous and, I suspect, not totally true. There must be a way to change it but maybe not while they are not working (sic) under normal conditions. A few years ago I bought my company car from the leasing company and an admin error resulted in the car being taxed twice (you'd have thought the computer would have said "No" but it isn't that clever). After one payment was credited back I was stopped by police as the computer said it wasn't taxed. When contacted DVLA could see what had happened but didn't know how to correct it - so they wiped the slate clean by issuing a completely new registration document! A bit extreme but why can't that be done in this case?
If it was me I'd appeal - as we saw last year, the difference between having 6c and 6d can be expensive; the fact that the engines are fundamentally the same is irrelevant when taxation and anti-emissions penalties are concerned.
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There is no difference, even the emission standard is the same, taxation is the same and anti- emissions penalties are the same.

"A new test on public roads to simulate Real Driving Emissions (RDE) has now been introduced. But whether your car is Euro 6, Euro 6c, Euro 6d-TEMP, or Euro 6d, the emission amounts are the same. The differences are purely about testing and how much discrepancy is allowed between the lab figures and those from testing on real roads"

In fact Euro6c is better as it only allows a discrepancy of 43%. Euro 6d -TEMP allows a 110% discrepancy.

Stop making something out of nothing.

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There is no difference, even the emission standard is the same, taxation is the same and anti- emissions penalties are the same.

"A new test on public roads to simulate Real Driving Emissions (RDE) has now been introduced. But whether your car is Euro 6, Euro 6c, Euro 6d-TEMP, or Euro 6d, the emission amounts are the same. The differences are purely about testing and how much discrepancy is allowed between the lab figures and those from testing on real roads"

In fact Euro6c is better as it only allows a discrepancy of 43%. Euro 6d -TEMP allows a 110% discrepancy.

Stop making something out of nothing.
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Jonno I think you're missing the point. It's politicians and politics that make the rules, not engineers and technicalities, and they won't understand or care about the difference between 6c and 6d (witness the mayor of Bristol's attempt to ban ALL diesels from the city - which failed due to commercial issues, not science). A typical rule-maker will simply say "if it doesn't conform to the latest standard (i.e. if DVLA say it doesn't) then it will be penalized" Don't forget it was a politician that used tax benefits to promote "climate-friendly" diesels 20 years ago despite the scientists and techies knowing that NO and particulates were perhaps a more dangerous issue.
I also think the fact that DVLA are creating inaccurate documentation is an important issue that needs to be taken seriously, not just ignored.
 
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Blackadder said:
I also think the fact that DVLA are creating inaccurate documentation is an important issue that needs to be taken seriously, not just ignored.
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The DVLA can only use what is shown on the Certificate of Conformity so the fault lies with whoever got the certificate wrong.
 
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Jonno I think you're missing the point. It's politicians and politics that make the rules, not engineers and technicalities, and they won't understand or care about the difference between 6c and 6d (witness the mayor of Bristol's attempt to ban ALL diesels from the city - which failed due to commercial issues, not science). A typical rule-maker will simply say "if it doesn't conform to the latest standard (i.e. if DVLA say it doesn't) then it will be penalized" Don't forget it was a politician that used tax benefits to promote "climate-friendly" diesels 20 years ago despite the scientists and techies knowing that NO and particulates were perhaps a more dangerous issue.
I also think the fact that DVLA are creating inaccurate documentation is an important issue that needs to be taken seriously, not just ignored.
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I'm not missing the point. You said that there are tax ramifications and pollution penalties if their vehicle isn't Euro 6d - TEMP.

There are no penalties.

There's zero evidence to even conclude the anyone has categorised the engine wrong. Both standards whether they're WLTP or RDE are current and recognised as being emission compliant. It just all depends which body does the test in order to satisfy Type Approval.

6d-TEMP allows a vehicle to produce more emissions, up to 110% more, it will be phased out, hence the TEMP suffix. Brought in to simply allow manufacturers more time and to remain Type Approval compliant.

6c indicates that the vehicles engine is closer to the required standard with a far stricter allowance of 43%.
 
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Jonno1103 said:
There is no difference, even the emission standard is the same, taxation is the same and anti- emissions penalties are the same.
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I don't entirely agree - although probably not significant to most motorhome buyers, VED rates now differ between Euro 6d Temp (and earlier versions) and Euro 6d and the Finance Act 2018 makes this difference clear

A vehicle meets the Euro 6d emissions standard only if it is first registered on the basis of an EU certificate of conformity which indicates that the exhaust emission level is Euro 6d (and it does not meet that standard if it is first registered on the basis of an EU certificate of conformity which indicates that that level is Euro 6d-TEMP).

In Germany, in addition to the light blue one for Euro 6, there is now a dark blue emissions sticker which will be used to police some heavily polluted zones:

The dark blue badge for:​

  • Diesel vehicles, diesel trucks/commercial vehicles with EURO 6d-TEMP standard.

However, I'm now more bothered to find that our own Cof C (vehicle first reg 01/10/2018) says it is Euro 6Y - what on earth does that mean? And DVLA have omitted the Y on the V5C so it's just Euro 6. I had always assumed it was 6C :unsure: Oh well, I've got a yellow CritAir sticker and I'll just have to avoid German cities - that's assuming they ever let us in again...
 
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