Dog Passport

[tomag]

Just wondered what happens if you have the dog health check but stay abroad for more then 4 months

 

[TerryL]

Probably nothing - who's going to check?

But you'll still need the worming etc for your return to UK. Probably have to have a new AHC then. Time will tell but I reckon it's going to be a while before anyone finds out!

 

[xsparks]

I was wondering if we need the AHC in one direction and the passport in the other.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Here are the regulations for pets

Non-commercial movement from non-EU countries

In order to be moved into an EU country from a territory or a non-EU country, certain conditions must be met.

ec.europa.eu

I assume the certificate applies to entering the EU or Norway from any other country, so when your 3 months is up you will be leaving EU to another country for your 4th month and need to get another certificate from a vet, should you want to return UK through the EU. (Difficult not to traverse EU).
However, as TerryL says above, who will be checking. My daughter also wonders (as a vet) how easy it will be to forge these documents and whether any official will know the genuine from a real one.

 

[LiquidLunch]

It all sounds a bit half A***d to me, its as if it was thought up last minute. I assume we will still have to have the usual checks at the tunnel coming back, would have thought using something similar if not exactly the same as the passport would have been the way to go.

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[Minxy]

I was wondering if we need the AHC in one direction and the passport in the other.

I've just been looking at the Eurotunnel site to respond on another thread and it says that a UK issued pet passport will still be able to be used to return to the UK, the AHC is for exiting the UK and also for those who don't have a UK pet passport issued prior to Brexit:

Documentation​

From 1st January 2021, the UK will be categorised as a Part 2 listed third country under the EU Pet Travel Scheme. This means if your pet(s) have an EU Pet Passport, issued in Great Britain, this will no longer be valid for travel to the EU and you will be required to obtain an Animal Health Certificate (AHC).​

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However, if your pet(s) have an EU Pet Passport, issued in Great Britain before 1st January 2021, they will be accepted for entry into the UK.​

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For animals being prepared in an EU country, you should get an EU Pet Passport.​

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If you are preparing your animal in a non EU Listed or Unlisted Third Country or Territory, you will need to obtain an Official Third Country Veterinary Health Certificate (AHC).​

PET Travel Scheme Compliance Checklist - Eurotunnel Le Shuttle

 

[John.]

Perhaps we should get our Charlie a Spanish passport?
Do you have to have residencia?

 

[Minxy]

Perhaps we should get our Charlie a Spanish passport?
Do you have to have residencia?

Already a thread running with this question being debated ... the jury's still out on that one!

(1) Could this be a workaround for the EU Pet Passport after 1 Jan 2021? | MotorhomeFun | The Motorhome Support and Social Network

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

I've just been looking at the Eurotunnel site to respond on another thread and it says that a UK issued pet passport will still be able to be used to return to the UK, the AHC is for exiting the UK and also for those who don't have a UK pet passport issued prior to Brexit:

​

Documentation​

From 1st January 2021, the UK will be categorised as a Part 2 listed third country under the EU Pet Travel Scheme. This means if your pet(s) have an EU Pet Passport, issued in Great Britain, this will no longer be valid for travel to the EU and you will be required to obtain an Animal Health Certificate (AHC).​

​

However, if your pet(s) have an EU Pet Passport, issued in Great Britain before 1st January 2021, they will be accepted for entry into the UK.​

​

For animals being prepared in an EU country, you should get an EU Pet Passport.​

​

If you are preparing your animal in a non EU Listed or Unlisted Third Country or Territory, you will need to obtain an Official Third Country Veterinary Health Certificate (AHC).​

PET Travel Scheme Compliance Checklist - Eurotunnel Le Shuttle

Ukbandit for info

 

[Clipgate]

Four months! Is that over 90 days in 180 by any chance, or do you have EU specific country residency rights.
Needs also considering me thinks.

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[TDub49]

Technically, the UK has been rabies free since the early 1920s. Despite scare stories in the press back in 2013, the pet passport has proved pretty effective in keeping that status (although we do now get some dog diseases that previously were only found on the continent). I just hope that the new more complicated and costly requirements don't encourage people to try to game the system and inadvertantly bring the disease back in.

 

[Phill D]

so here's a thought:::::

to get a UK pet passport for the past few years no rabies blood test has been required. our dog has had his passport long enough to have had the trite blood test result entered in his passport and we have kept up his Rabie's vaccination. so far so good.

now as far as i can see the AHC does not require a blood test or a rabies vaccination! is that correct?

then if that is correct ;
when his next Rabies vac is due could i ignore it and not have it done and still have a valid UK pet passport that still allows entry to the UK.

 

[tomag]

Hi Clipgate If you go to Europe for two months and then Morocco for three months that's five months with no rules Brocken

 

[Phill D]

think i have found the answer to my questions above;

• For non-EU countries free of rabies, or where the disease situation is comparable to the one prevailing in certain continental Member States (see list: <Broken link removed>), rabies vaccination will be the only requirement (except for Ireland, Sweden, Malta and the United Kingdom requiring a test six months after vaccination). Pet owners bringing pets from these countries can use a simple health certificate (filled in by their veterinarian) certifying rabies vaccination. The forms of the health certificate in the various linguistic versions can be downloaded at: <Broken link removed>

 

[gus-lopez]

when his next Rabies vac is due could i ignore it and not have it done and still have a valid UK pet passport that still allows entry to the UK.

& should be spotted by the person checking the passport for correct details on worming & also that all are encapsultated

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[Phill D]

just been reading this: which if i am reading it correctly means the dog require worming by a vet prior to entry to the EU and prior to the return to uk.....

Non-commercial movement from non-EU countries

In order to be moved into an EU country from a territory or a non-EU country, certain conditions must be met.

ec.europa.eu

Treatment against Echinococcus multilocularis - The pet animal (dog only) must, prior to entering a Member State listed in the Annex to Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) 2018/878, or Norway, be treated against the parasite Echinococcus multilocularis in accordance with Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2018/772, as follows:

• the treatment must be administered by a veterinarian within a period of not more than 120 hours and not less than 24 hours before the time of scheduled entry
• the treatment must be certified by the administering veterinarian in the relevant section of the passport.

 

[Potty]

so here's a thought:::::

to get a UK pet passport for the past few years no rabies blood test has been required. our dog has had his passport long enough to have had the trite blood test result entered in his passport and we have kept up his Rabie's vaccination. so far so good.

now as far as i can see the AHC does not require a blood test or a rabies vaccination! is that correct?

then if that is correct ;
when his next Rabies vac is due could i ignore it and not have it done and still have a valid UK pet passport that still allows entry to the UK.

I think to be valid, the passport would have to have a current rabies jab recorded on it.

One thing that your post has made me think about: it will no longer be necessary to have a pet passport to travel to the EU and no new UK ones will be issued, where will original and successive rabies jabs be recorded? Our vet has always recorded them on our dogs’ passports and on their immunisation record which we take with us when we trave

 

[Phill D]

I think to be valid, the passport would have to have a current rabies jab recorded on it.

One thing that your post has made me think about: it will no longer be necessary to have a pet passport to travel to the EU and no new UK ones will be issued, where will original and successive rabies jabs be recorded? Our vet has always recorded them on our dogs’ passports and on their immunisation record which we take with us when we trave

good point, the vet will have it on record at the surgery PC, but that would may mean you would need to use the same vet all the time.

 

[Minxy]

good point, the vet will have it on record at the surgery PC, but that would may mean you would need to use the same vet all the time.

Every time your pet is vaccinated, regardless of what it is, it should be recorded in their 'standard' vac record 'booklet' which you should keep. If you have an existing PP then there's no reason you couldn't ask the vet to put it in that too if they're willing to do so. It is up to the owner to make sure they have the correct paperwork for both exiting and returning to the UK, just as it has always been.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Can anyone advise what checks are done returning from Morocco into Spain. Do Spanish customs check any dog passports?

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[Phill D]

Can anyone advise what checks are done returning from Morocco into Spain. Do Spanish customs check any dog passports?

See post #16 the link will tell you the requirements.

 

[Phill D]

Every time your pet is vaccinated, regardless of what it is, it should be recorded in their 'standard' vac record 'booklet' which you should keep. If you have an existing PP then there's no reason you couldn't ask the vet to put it in that too if they're willing to do so. It is up to the owner to make sure they have the correct paperwork for both exiting and returning to the UK, just as it has always been.

Aware of that and ours is all in order. Was simply thinking out loud... Which is occasionally dangerous

 

[Minxy]

Aware of that and ours is all in order. Was simply thinking out loud... Which is occasionally dangerous

You and I may be aware but there are sure to be some numpties who don't do it and then go to the Daily Mail to complain about the horrible border people not letting their pooch out of and/or back into the UK!

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

See post #16 the link will tell you the requirements.

Thanks,I was just trying to determine if the Spanish/Morrocan customs were as strict as the French at Calais ,not what the actual rules were.

 

[Minxy]

Thanks,I was just trying to determine if the Spanish/Morrocan customs were as strict as the French at Calais ,not what the actual rules were.

I should think so ... if not even more so!

There's a programme called "Border control: Spain" on TV at present, I've watched it a few times and they do NOT mess about.

If you want to watch the next time it's on tune in to DMAX (channel 38) on Saturday 9th Jan at 10.00 pm & 10.30 pm (repeated on Monday nights). It's all in Spanish (of course) but has subtitles which is a good thing as even if you had a good grasp of Spanish I doubt if you'd keep up with some of them!

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[Jimbohorlicks]

Thanks Mel

 

[Minxy]

Thanks Mel

I like these sort of programmes and thought I'd watch it in order to get a knowledge of the language ... yeah right ... if I could slow it down from the verbal equivalent of Speedy Gonzalez to Eeyore I might stand a chance!

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

We usually watch the Aussie and NZ border control ones,very enlightening.

 

[Minxy]

We usually watch the Aussie and NZ border control ones,very enlightening.

Yeah I like them ... it always amazes me what the Chinese, Indian etc visitors try to 'smuggle' in and think it's okay!

 

[Littlewheels]

I like these sort of programmes and thought I'd watch it in order to get a knowledge of the language ... yeah right ... if I could slow it down from the verbal equivalent of Speedy Gonzalez to Eeyore I might stand a chance!

Watching Spanish children’s programmes is the way to go if you think about it thats how kids today learn English.

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