Could this be a workaround for the EU Pet Passport after 1 Jan 2021?

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Have found out that Americans travelling to the EU with their pets can obtain EU Pet Passports for them. I have posted a number of links illustrating this:

https://www.travelnuity.com/eu-pet-passport/

https://longhaultrekkers.com/how-to-get-an-eu-pet-passport/

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/guide/european-union-pet-passport/

They have to present a completed Annex IV Animal Health Certificate to do this - would this be the same as the AHC we will have to complete in future?

If so, then providing you have an AHC for your first visit to the EU next year, you should then be able to obtain a Pet Passport in France, Germany, Spain, wherever, and use it for all subsequent trips.

Any thoughts?
 
I didn't think having an EU pet passport makes any difference. The problem is the dog is coming from the UK and therefore needs an AHC even if the dog say, lived in France.
 
DBK said:
I didn't think having an EU pet passport makes any difference. The problem is the dog is coming from the UK and therefore needs an AHC even if the dog say, lived in France.
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Hi John. From what I’ve read, Americans can use their EU Pet Passports for return visits to Europe. If they can to and fro between the US and Europe just using them, surely we should be able to do the same between the UK and Europe.
 
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bellabee said:
According to the vet who posted, in detail, on Facebook, it's the place of residence of the owner and not the country of issue of the passport, which determines the requirement for the AHC.
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But that doesn’t seem to be the case for Americans. Those 3 links I posted all show examples of people living in America who easily obtained EU Pet Passports. Once they have an EU Pet Passport they no longer need an AHC to visit Europe. Why should it be any different for us?
 
DBK said:
I didn't think having an EU pet passport makes any difference. The problem is the dog is coming from the UK and therefore needs an AHC even if the dog say, lived in France.
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Not correct John. I have it in writing from defra that an EU pet ,entering the UK on holiday does not require an AHC to re-enter the EU as he is"going home" on his official , & still legal ' pet passport.

** I aske d the question of them a long while ago as I could not seewhy it should be required.
 
bellabee said:
According to the vet who posted, in detail, on Facebook, it's the place of residence of the owner and not the country of issue of the passport, which determines the requirement for the AHC.
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I was hoping Faye could travel on her Cypriot passport, but looking unlikely. More bad news. Another full lockdown December 28th, hardly any cases here, can we turn the clocks back a year x
 
Aireworth said:
I haven't looked into this in any detail but AFAIK ths US is Part 2 listed, which is what the UK will become on 1/1/2021.
It might be possible. I'll try to find out.
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A "cut & paste" from the email reply from defra (apha)









Good afternoon Gus,

Thank you for your enquiry.
As your dog has a Spanish Passport, there is no need to visit the vets for the health certificate.



Kind regards,



Kayleigh Witherington

Admin Officer

Imports Team
 
Is it not simpler to follow whatever rules are applicable rather than trying to find a loophole?
I'd rather get a flipping certificate rather than fret during my whole trip away wondering if I was going to get Fido back in the country.

Just because Americans can do one thing, doesn't mean we can or the Australians, or the Indians, or the South Africans - that's the beauty of independence... one size doesn't fit all.

AFAIK The deal is... passport, no titre test, AHC certificate.
 
gus-lopez said:
Not correct John. I have it in writing from defra that an EU pet ,entering the UK on holiday does not require an AHC to re-enter the EU as he is"going home" on his official , & still legal ' pet passport.

** I aske d the question of them a long while ago as I could not seewhy it should be required.
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Thank you. :)

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People are confusing the requirements to get in and out I think.

The AHC gets you into the EU and back again. An EU pet passport only gets you into the EU.

It could have been a lot worse, if I just have to get a certificate for our annual holiday, I will take that!
 
Googlebot said:
People are confusing the requirements to get in and out I think.

The AHC gets you into the EU and back again. An EU pet passport only gets you into the EU.

It could have been a lot worse, if I just have to get a certificate for our annual holiday, I will take that!
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Is that right? APHA website says :-
"

Returning to Great Britain​

There will be no change to the current health preparations for pets entering GB from 1 January 2021.

Your pet must have one of the following documents when returning to GB from the EU:

  • an EU pet passport (issued in the EU, or in GB before 1 January 2021), or a pet passport from a Part 1 listed third country
  • the AHC issued in GB used to travel to the EU – which you can use up to 4 months after it was issued
  • a UK pet health certificate (for travel into GB only "

    from https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-travel-to-europe-from-1-january-2021

    I read that as meaning a Pets passport issued in the EU AFTER 1/1/2021 will be an acceptable document for entry into the UK.
 
you may find this of interest.
UPDATE: New rules on pet travel as UK granted 'listed status' by EU
The rules for travellers bringing pets from the UK into the EU will change in January but the decision to grant the UK 'listed status' means things won't be as complicated as they might have been. Here's what we know so far about the new rules.
Travellers from Britain wanting to take their dogs, cats or ferrets with them on a trip to the EU next year had long been warned that Brexit meant things would get a lot more complicated.

With the end of the UK's participation in the EU pet passport scheme animal owners were warned to contact their vets four months before their trip to take the necessary steps for travel, including getting a blood antibody test for the pet.

But with the EU confirming that it is in favour of granting the UK "part 2 listed status" for the purpose of non-commercial pet travel after the end of the transition period, things should be slightly more straightforward, although travelling with animals won't be as easy as it has been.

Being granted "part 2 listed status" means pet owners still need to get hold of an Animal Health Certificate (AHC) from an accredited vet prior to travel.

Unlike the old system where pets got a passport, now a new certificate will be required for each trip.

Here's what we know so far about the new rules under part 2 listed status.

All pet owners from the UK will need an AHC for travel after January 1st 2021.
Vets in the UK can start issuing AHC's from December 22nd 2020.
To get an AHC pet owners must take proof of their pet’s microchipping date, pet’s vaccination history.
Pets will be need to be vaccinated against rabies at least 21 days before travel
An AHC is valid for 10 days after the date of issue for entry into the EU
The certificate is valid for a single trip to the EU
It is valid for onward travel within the EU for 4 months after the date of issue
The AHC is valid for re-entry to GB for 4 months after the date of issue.
AHCs are available as dual-language certificates written in both English and the official language of each EU country, so pet owners should ask the vet for the appropriate language certificate depending on where they are visiting.
Travelling from the EU to the UK will be easier because the UK has stated that for the moment it will continue to accept EU Pet Passports issued before January 2021. Your Pet Passport and microchip information will be checked at the border.

An Animal Health Certificate issued within four months will also be valid for re-entry to the UK.

If you have a pet passport issued by an EU member state, you can use it to bring your pet to Great Britain and to return to the EU, as long as your pet has been vaccinated against rabies.

A UK government spokesperson said: “With the EU granting ‘part 2’ listed third-country status for pet travel between Great Britain and the EU, further guidance on pet travel will be published shortly.”

The Local will update these rules when more information is made available by the British government.
 
Langtoftlad said:
Is it not simpler to follow whatever rules are applicable rather than trying to find a loophole?
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How is it simpler to have to obtain an AHC with all its associated constraints and costs each time you want to visit Europe? How is that simpler than obtaining an EU Pet Passport on your first visit that you can then use freely for your pet’s lifetime?

Also it is not a loophole. It is applying the rules (EU rules - shock horror!) as they pertain to third countries. The US is already a Part 2 listed country; we will become one on 1 Jan 2021. Therefore the same should apply.

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One of our dogs needs a new passport as hers is full, ie no more spaces to record the worming when she comes back. She's going to the vets this morning for her rabies booster, is there any point in getting a new passport as she can come back into the UK on the AHC after January.

To avoid any preaching we have no plans to travel at present.
 
Reallyretired said:
One of our dogs needs a new passport as hers is full, ie no more spaces to record the worming when she comes back. She's going to the vets this morning for her rabies booster, is there any point in getting a new passport as she can come back into the UK on the AHC after January.

To avoid any preaching we have no plans to travel at present.
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Not sure which would be the best way to go with this one. According to an article in the Guardian :
Meanwhile, the government is continuing to press the European commission to secure Part 1 listed status, stating that the UK meets all the requirements for it.
Full article here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ificate-for-travel-to-eu-and-northern-ireland

If we do manage to get Part 1 status, then a UK Pet Passport would still be valid.

If we end up as Part 2 listed, then if it was me I would be looking to obtain an EU Pet Passport on my next trip to Europe, so would not bother with getting a UK one. As with so many things, it has been left rather late for people to deal with sensibly.

If you don’t have a Pet Passport of some description, where does the worming get recorded for entry back into the UK?

PS You won’t hear any preaching from me. :wink:
 
Looks like a plan to me :xsmile:
 
EA7VPG gave the latest news above, confirmed in The Times this morning. Though this is the latest watch this space, as apparently there is still some pressure to keep the Pet Passport scheme running. So, no need for any work around, just follow the rules to avoid getting turned around.
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I cannot understand why the UK does not do tit for tat rules on the EU, if they did then maybe the EU would not be so keen to employ so many restrictive rules that at present are acceptable
 
frogijock said:
I cannot understand why the UK does not do tit for tat rules on the EU, if they did then maybe the EU would not be so keen to employ so many restrictive rules that at present are acceptable
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There are 26 EU countries, we really don’t have a strong hand, without going into the B word, never before have we entered trade talks to get a worse deal than we had.

Imagine if it was the other way round? People would hardly be clamouring for us to be nice would they?

By allowing EU passports for pets into the UK, we set the bar for reciprocity. Making things awkward for EU pet owners will never end well for the UK.
 
Am I the only one who finds this ironic? Up until the early 2000s, the only thing that stopped us taking our pets to Europe was having to quarantine them on return. There were no restrictions on entering the EU and it was the U.K. who were instrumental in getting the pet passport scheme set up.

Born in Belfast, my husband is entitled to an Irish passport. Maybe he should get one and then we and the dog could visit family in NI in the same way we always have.
 
Aireworth said:
Won't be a need for a passport - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-travel-to-europe-from-1-january-2021
Just AHC. Which will only be valid for 4 months.
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But if you do get an EU pet passport after 1/1/2021, which we plan to, you will not need the health form each subsequent time that you travel to/from the EU. Providing you keep the rabies jab up to date with a booster every three years the passport remains vaild indefinately, or until it runs our of pages to stamp with the certification of the tapeworm treatment prior to each return to the UK. In other words when once we have the pet passport issued by an EU country (in our case Austria) it is business as usual for us other than getting a booster jab done every three years in Austria instead of the UK. As we spend each winter in Austria (except this one thanks to coronavirus) it will not present any problems for us. That is my understanding of the situation. Thanks to everyone who has posted leading me to research and come to this conclusion. Happy Days.
 
Brexit is done, we're leaving...
maz said:
How is it simpler to have to obtain an AHC with all its associated constraints and costs each time you want to visit Europe? How is that simpler than obtaining an EU Pet Passport on your first visit that you can then use freely for your pet’s lifetime?
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