Cambelt change at 5 years (3 Viewers)

[SteveandSueJ]

Apparently, the one on my 2016, 15k, Peugeot Boxer is metal. At the last service 2022, I asked about a cam belt change and was told in simple terms.....leave it alone!!!!!, don't even think about changing it!!!!

That has to be a chain. No metal belt.. no need to change.
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[Hettie's Crew]

When I registered my 2019 van it was already over a year old - so should I change it after four years now?


My Eco tech Ford engine has a timing belt running in oil!!!
Its recommended to be changed at 150K miles - or ten years
I'ts at eight years and 27K miles - what to do?

These engines are apparently self destructed by the belt shedding rubber into the oil, blocking the sump pick up filter and starving themselves of oil.
A friend of mine has the Transit version and is currently being recalled.

Look up ‘Ford wet cam belt’ on YouTube.

 

[Peregrinator]

When I registered my 2019 van it was already over a year old - so should I change it after four years now?


My Eco tech Ford engine has a timing belt running in oil!!!
Its recommended to be changed at 150K miles - or ten years
I'ts at eight years and 27K miles - what to do?

You got two more years, I would wait if I were you, and don't forget you also have to change the small oil pump belt at the same time, so you can get out there and enjoy more of the MH.

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[Stealaway]

You got two more years, I would wait if I were you, and don't forget you also have to change the small oil pump belt at the same time, so you can get out there and enjoy more of the MH.

That's the plan ---- I do 8k miles every year in the van and less than 4k in mi car.

 

[Davecrawf]

That has to be a chain. No metal belt.. no need to change.
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My main dealer offered to change my chain at 30k for a small fee of £3k.
Needless to say I don't go there any more. Fortunately I have found an excellent local garage for all my servicing and repairs.

 

[jezport]

My main dealer offered to change my chain at 30k for a small fee of £3k.
Needless to say I don't go there any more. Fortunately I have found an excellent local garage for all my servicing and repairs.

There are a number of people on the van forums that have reported chains stretching and causing major problems.

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[Davecrawf]

There are a number of people on the van forums that have reported chains stretching and causing major problems.

I agree there will come a time when even a chain will need to be replaced, but after a lot more than 30k.

 

[Tony50]

So you are advised to change the cambelt at 5 years, and you don't!! Because it cost say £500, I have repaired the damage a broken cambelt has done you wouldn't see going over the time or recommend mileage, 2 reasons if I was over the change recommended I would sit there in the driving or relaxing !! Or worse, your hundreds of miles from home thinking will it snap , ( I'm supposed to be on a relaxing holiday!! )

 

[Riverbankannie]

So you are advised to change the cambelt at 5 years, and you don't!! Because it cost say £500, I have repaired the damage a broken cambelt has done you wouldn't see going over the time or recommend mileage, 2 reasons if I was over the change recommended I would sit there in the driving or relaxing !! Or worse, your hundreds of miles from home thinking will it snap , ( I'm supposed to be on a relaxing holiday!! )

Who are you replying to Tony50 ?

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[ontheroadagain]

The following is from a print out from a Fiat Professional garage in relation to our 2.3L,140hp Ducato.

Replace toothed timing belt.
Maximum recommended mileage 192,000km. Regardless of the mileage, the timing drive belt must be changed every 4 years for use in heavy conditions (cold climates, town use, long periods of idling) or at least every 5 years.

 

[Tony50]

Who are you replying to Tony50 ?

Those who think it's a waste of money to change the cambelt beyond recommendation by the manufacturer

 

[gus-lopez]

My Eco tech Ford engine has a timing belt running in oil!!!
Its recommended to be changed at 150K miles - or ten years

Dear God I'd have trouble sleeping if I had a vehicle with that rubbish in.

I'ts at eight years and 27K miles - what to do?

Sell it before it eats itself & needs a new engine.
* as Hettie's Crew already said.

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[Crazylegs]

They say there is always an exception to the rule.
Last year we viewed a 2012 A class Pilote that had the 2.3 Ducato engine that had covered approximately 60k, we asked when the cam belt was last changed, still on the original belt the owner replied. Further questioning revealed that the servicing had been done by a mate, no receipts, needless to say we swerved that one. It’s still for sale, but now with Motorhome depot, I have no idea if it’s been properly serviced since.

Interestingly the Hymer we did buy is fitted with the Fiat/Iveco 3L engine that has a cam chain which we are pleased about. So we were somewhat surprised to find in the vehicles paperwork a garage receipt for a recent cam belt change !

CAVEAT EMPTOR.

 

[Davecrawf]

They say there is always an exception to the rule.
Last year we viewed a 2012 A class Pilote that had the 2.3 Ducato engine that had covered approximately 60k, we asked when the cam belt was last changed, still on the original belt the owner replied. Further questioning revealed that the servicing had been done by a mate, no receipts, needless to say we swerved that one. It’s still for sale, but now with Motorhome depot, I have no idea if it’s been properly serviced since.

Interestingly the Hymer we did buy is fitted with the Fiat/Iveco 3L engine that has a cam chain which we are pleased about. So we were somewhat surprised to find in the vehicles paperwork a garage receipt for a recent cam belt change !

CAVEAT EMPTOR.

My Autosleeper Broadway has the 3L Iveco engine. I am sure that you will be happy with the performance.

 

[Crazylegs]

My Autosleeper Broadway has the 3L Iveco engine. I am sure that you will be happy with the performance.

True that, we sailed up the big climbs of the Central Massive last October, well pleased.

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[Ianb]

At my service today, I was advised that I should have the cambelt changed next year at 5 years. The reason given was that the cambelt is made of a material that can develop flat spots when left unused, like tyres. Implication, unspoken, that this could cause failure. My mileage is 5k per year and I make sure it’s run for a decent distance at least once a month.
Funster thoughts please

I changed my cam belt on Ducato at 7 year. It still looked in great condition. I’m sure it would have gone on for longer without issue.
Not a huge amount of room on this van for access. Garage can do it next time.

 

[Howard B]

I changed the belt & pump on my last van at 30k miles /. 5 years. The belt was fine, however one of the pulley bearings was shot.

 

[jockaneezer]

They suggest changing the timing chain in my Renault at 200k miles, ah well only another 100,000 miles to do !
Hey Gus, I've watched a few car repair videos on YouTube and the consensus for those small EcoTec engines is that a replacement engine is the only option for some of its issues. To your average mechanic, that seems ludicrous, but I bet Ford upper management think it's a great idea ?
I too was surprised when I found out about the "wet belt" setup. I'm not sure what their thinking is behind the design, but it looks like it's problematic ?

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[Hammie]

Strangely the Peugeot 160bhp engine fitted to my Bailey states change belt at 10yrs.

I had this dilemma on my Audi A6 - Manual say change at 5 yrs or some colossal mileage. I did not do even 30k by 5yrs so extended this out to 7yrs. I am sure manufacturers must have decided on cam belts instead of chains as a sweeter to their dealers. Cost me £550 buy a independent. The main dealer wanted over £750. Money for old rope/belts!

I’ve had mine seven years and didn’t think of it until January when I asked I was told it should have been done at five years. Fiat wanted £1,500. But I’ve just found a company who do coaches, horse boxes and Motorhomes in Redhill and have asked on here if anybody is familiar with their work. They are less than half what was quoted by Fiat.
I'm also hearing that as mine is an 04’ it would be a gates kit rather than Fiat parts but that is what Fiat said they would be using. If I can get some feedback as to the Redstonefleetcare company I am leaning toward them? Any advice would be appreciated as I’m stressing about getting it right and not blowing my engine.

 

[Peregrinator]

The last few years before retirement I worked in a Auto Parts shop, we sold all OEM products plus Gates too. and a lot of OEM products sold and installed by dealers were Gates manufactured, Gates have a good warranty, we even had one customer who had a new belt fitted, which snapped (we suspected it was fitted wrong) with in the month, he made a claim under the warranty, they gave him a full refund on a refurbed Engine, Parts & labour, not many companies would have done that, they would have tried to get out of it some how.

 

[tkk]

The following is from a print out from a Fiat Professional garage in relation to our 2.3L,140hp Ducato.

Replace toothed timing belt.
Maximum recommended mileage 192,000km. Regardless of the mileage, the timing drive belt must be changed every 4 years for use in heavy conditions (cold climates, town use, long periods of idling) or at least every 5 years.

That’s correct (based on my Manual) but they have a table above this with timing intervals for various service items. The dot for timing belt change is at the 96 month interval for 130/150 multi jet. I would think they mean that the change for all usages should be 60 months but it is a source of confusion
tk

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[68c]

They say there is always an exception to the rule.
Last year we viewed a 2012 A class Pilote that had the 2.3 Ducato engine that had covered approximately 60k, we asked when the cam belt was last changed, still on the original belt the owner replied. Further questioning revealed that the servicing had been done by a mate, no receipts, needless to say we swerved that one. It’s still for sale, but now with Motorhome depot, I have no idea if it’s been properly serviced since.

Interestingly the Hymer we did buy is fitted with the Fiat/Iveco 3L engine that has a cam chain which we are pleased about. So we were somewhat surprised to find in the vehicles paperwork a garage receipt for a recent cam belt change !

CAVEAT EMPTOR.

Are you absolutely certain you have a chain? Obviously someone is telling porkies, either the guy who sold it to you or the garage that said they fitted the new belt.

 

[Crazylegs]

Are you absolutely certain you have a chain? Obviously someone is telling porkies, either the guy who sold it to you or the garage that said they fitted the new belt.

The Iveco 3L engines have a chain, so we know the garage has defrauded the previous owner. I did tell him but after a less than brilliant introduction to retirement motorhoming I don’t think he had the enthusiasm for a dispute.

 

[Trevor Wbm]

Took mine in today for a new cam belt (2004 Boxer), mini service and brake check. Garage called to say there's an oil leak somewhere that's covered the belt, also the rear drums are seized on - and they haven't got the necessary kit to deal with either issue. Second time they've said they can't do the job, but again no charge.

Drove it home really gently and next week it's off to Adams Morey where they have the really big hammers. Not looking forward to the bill for this one, but having spent around £1500 less than I expected on the gearbox I will attempt a philosophical approach .... and single malt.

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