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[Techno]

Love it it's all about money in the end

Superb link Jim
Says it all really

 

[DuxDeluxe]

The regulation doesn't state "turn it off " but " do not use it". Same as no fuel if lights on or engine running. mandatory requirements that are taught to all fuel station operatives.


So why do they ;BP, teach operatives, " No phones, no lights & engine switched off ?
If he has investigated them & states that then why does he not state categorically that mobile phones caused NONE of them ? Because he cannot ,he doesn't know 100%.



They do Radio frequency is part of what you are taught re; assessing risk.
& it does. That's why engines are not permitted to be on when filling with fuel.

P.s. Whilst I agree that the risk is quite low it is better to be safe than sorry & here it will cost you a 90€ fine.

A reason why a certain oil company are a bit strict about H&S........

 

[Techno]

Coincidence usually proven to be static electricity discharge

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[Techno]

A quote of Dexter
No it's not safe, the last time I used my phone at the petrol pump I dropped my cigarette in my lap and burnt myself.




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[GJH]

My late cousin, Dave Larsen, was one of the prime developers of mobile phone technology so I asked him about this many years ago. He told me it was nonsense that having a switched on mobile n a petrol forecourt was dangerous.
The UKPIA position is summarised Here. Note the similar advice.

 

[Techno]

Well I tried lighting my hob with it but it's just not having any

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[GJH]

Well I tried lighting my hob with it but it's just not having any

You need the special iGnition app for your iPhone.

 

[Techno]

Maybe I need the 6 S ?

 

[John & Joan]

gus-lopez
In Spain last winter while I was being filled up, the attendant was also talking to the kiosk using a mobile radio. There was a notice on the pump saying switch off mobile phones, etc.. I queried this and he showed my a notice on the back of the radio, saying it was approved for use in fuel filling stations. This was on the road from Garrucha to Vera.

RF is the same, no matter if the device is approved or not, so it must have been sealed against spark emissions.

It was said at one time that some earlier pumps could be upset by the radios frequency output and give false meter readings. True or false I do not know.

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[movan]

Sorry if my post a bit behind times, not been on forum for a while, but re the opening post... Autogas 2000 in Thirsk sorted my refillable gas locker out for me recently and I have nothing but praise for them..... Efficient, friendly, helpful and welcoming.... Overnight stay in their premises if you want with ehu ... cup of coffee in the morning.... amazing staff and owners.

 

[PeteH]

The biggest hazard is anything that produces a spark. this potentially could be the wearing of 2 dissimilar articles of clothing! Nylons AND fur coats? (knickers optional?).

On a serious note. When I was on Tank ships in the 70`s we used ALL spark suppressed tools when working on the cargo deck area`s. Whoa betide us if we where "caught" on deck with a Steel Spanner!!. Could be a "log book" job!

Pete

 

[TheCaller]

Our local Shell station offers free WiFi. Of course, when surfing the internet using your smartphone, you aren't using it as a phone, are you!

The other change since the original regulation is that the transmission power dropped markedly with the advent of digital rather than analogue phones. But presumably the concern must always have been about whether a phone could trigger a spark in some way? That would suggest there is as much if not more danger inherent in the act of switching it off as in leaving it turned on.

Advice in the case of a gas leak is not to operate switches - either on of off.

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[ciderman]

the main thing for mobile phones in forecourts is that they are not classed as intrinsically safe so may spark if the battery shorts. when working on petchem plants no mobiles or battery powered items unless they were the company radios, which were spark suppressed. also had to de-static before entering some building

 

[gus-lopez]

Using a phone on a service forecourt will soon be common place ..

• Q

Been here for donkeys years, always used to do mine at my local service station.. Still illegal to use phone though.Also if caught it is not only a fine ,200€, but points deduction as well.

gus-lopez
In Spain last winter while I was being filled up, the attendant was also talking to the kiosk using a mobile radio. There was a notice on the pump saying switch off mobile phones, etc.. I queried this and he showed my a notice on the back of the radio, saying it was approved for use in fuel filling stations. This was on the road from Garrucha to Vera.

RF is the same, no matter if the device is approved or not, so it must have been sealed against spark emissions.

It was said at one time that some earlier pumps could be upset by the radios frequency output and give false meter readings. True or false I do not know.

As long as they are intrinsically safe models they are ok. We used to have pagers at the refinery.
As above , leave your lights on & engine running & you can lose all your points & licence ! " Filling with fuel incorrectly" is the offence.
Yet to see one fined though.

The biggest hazard is anything that produces a spark. this potentially could be the wearing of 2 dissimilar articles of clothing! Nylons AND fur coats? (knickers optional?).

On a serious note. When I was on Tank ships in the 70`s we used ALL spark suppressed tools when working on the cargo deck area`s. Whoa betide us if we where "caught" on deck with a Steel Spanner!!. Could be a "log book" job!

Pete

Exactly & I have a tool box full of bronze hammers, spanners, & copper scrapers.
Additionally anything liable to generate a spark by even being dropped had to be left outside . Keys, money ,etc.


Here's some " how to lose your licence whilst parked up " offences.

http://noticias.coches.com/consejos/las-20-multas-que-pueden-ponerte-sin-estar-conduciendo/145012

No:2 + clink link at bottom
Sorry they are in spanish

 

[JockandRita]

the main thing for mobile phones in forecourts is that they are not classed as intrinsically safe so may spark if the battery shorts. when working on petchem plants no mobiles or battery powered items unless they were the company radios, which were spark suppressed. also had to de-static before entering some building

And that is exactly the teachings I received, when in the Fire Service Andy.
Our Breathing Apparatus torches were intrinsically safe, but our radio pack sets weren't, (too costly apparently, but our explosimeters were ) so couldn't be used at incidents involving gases or vapours in enclosed spaces. Things may have changed since then...........hopefully.

Unless equipment is marked with the correct logo, it cannot be used in hazardous areas.

If you can afford it, perhaps one of these is the way to go. ;-)
https://www.pixavi.com/product/mobile-devices/intrinsically-safe-smartphone/

Back on topic, @Ambilkate glad to see that you are sorted. If it wasn't safe or within the fitting regs, Autogas 2000 wouldn't have mounted the filler point where they have. Happy heating and cooking with all that cheaper gas.

Cheers,

Jock.

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[Ambilkate]

Thanks @ JockandRita we have just had a good weekend away Solars all working great gas fantastic been as snug as a bug and not had to worry about running out of gas had a few pot holes to negotiate on our travels and speed bumps no probs at all heading home know though ​

 

[Ambilkate]

Thanks @JockandRita we have just had a good weekend away Solars all working great gas fantastic been as snug as a bug and not had to worry about running out of gas had a few pot holes to negotiate on our travels and speed bumps no probs at all heading home know though ​