Can you give the source for this? Where can I find the minutes of the negotiations? Have they been published?Nothing, apparently. You need to ask why this Government doesn't want us to have the same freedoms it has volunteered afor EU nationals.
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Can you give the source for this? Where can I find the minutes of the negotiations? Have they been published?Nothing, apparently. You need to ask why this Government doesn't want us to have the same freedoms it has volunteered afor EU nationals.
... unfortunately remarks like that don't endear you to others.Funny how people can't get their heads around what many of them have voted gor....
We're not talking about a different 90 day visa, but whether the existing one, which we don't have to apply for normally, could be used in addition to the 90 day 'rights' we already have ...There is no other 90 day tourist visa!
No. The limit for tourism is 90 days. The visa exists because there is a list of countries which, unlike ourselves, are not exempt from tourist visa requirements, and so their citizens have to apply for a visa for any and every trip that they wish to make into the EU as a tourist, even if only for a few hours.We're not talking about a different 90 day visa, but whether the existing one, which we don't have to apply for normally, could be used in addition to the 90 day 'rights' we already have ...
There is no such thing as an EU tourist visa that will cover more than 90 days, or extend the 90 day visa free period.
and presumably if you try it as a UK citizen the application process will be cancelled and you will be informed that you don't require a visa for those circumstances.
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Fortunately I am entirely indifferent to the levels of endearment felt for me. I am more interested in people understanding how these decisions have impacted the way of life that many of us have worked incredibly hard to achieve, only to have it taken from us. Maybe if more people had researched and understood the implications , which, from the questions and confusion evident on this thread, many have not, we would not now be scrabbling about to see how we can somehow preserve the freedoms that we used to enjoy.... unfortunately remarks like that don't endear you to others.
We're not talking about a different 90 day visa, but whether the existing one, which we don't have to apply for normally, could be used in addition to the 90 day 'rights' we already have ...
Exactly.No. The limit for tourism is 90 days. The visa exists because there is a list of countries which, unlike ourselves, are not exempt from tourist visa requirements, and so their citizens have to apply for a visa for any and every trip that they wish to make into the EU as a tourist, even if only for a few hours.
We - the UK - are limited to 90 days the same as everyone else, but we are in a different list and do not require a visa to enter and stay in the EU as tourists within that limit.
There is no such thing as an EU tourist visa that will cover more than 90 days, or extend the 90 day visa free period. Longer visas exist for specific purposes, but as soon as you enter "Tourism" as the reason for your visit on the application, the 90 day limit applies, and presumably if you try it as a UK citizen the application process will be cancelled and you will be informed that you don't require a visa for those circumstances.
The suggestion is that the 90 days visa-free and a 90-day tourist Visa can be used one after the other, as described above. i.e. stay for upto 90 days Visa-free then up to another 90 days longer on a tourist Visa, having exited and re-entered Schengen.
I'm not missing the point at all. I can't be bothered to trawl through the numerous EU regulations, the Handbook for Processing of Visa Applications and the Modification of Existing Visas, the Handbook for the Administrative Management of Visa Processing and other associated documents, but the links are are on the official EU website if you have a few hours (days?) to spare:Correct, however, I think you may be missing the point.
The suggestion is that the 90 days visa-free and a 90-day tourist Visa can be used one after the other, as described above. i.e. stay for upto 90 days Visa-free then up to another 90 days longer on a tourist Visa, having exited and re-entered Schengen.
If you can find official EU documentation that contradicts this, as opposed to often uninformed press articles, please link it here as I would love to read it.
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it is not possible to apply for a tourist visa! I've just tried on the official site, not possible.
The conditions of both are that you can only have a maximum of 90 days in any rolling 180 day period!
That is really useful information - do you mind telling me where you tried to apply? I seem to have no issues applying as a UK citizen on the French application site
Tourist Schengen Visa – Traveling to Europe for Tourism
A Tourist Schengen Visa permits third-country nationals enter into the Schengen Area for a maximum of 90 days within a 6-month period, under the purpose of traveling or visiting Europe for pleasure.
Who needs a Tourist Schengen Visa When Traveling to Europe for Tourism?
Non-European citizens willing to travel to Europe for tourism purpose might be required to apply for a short-term Schengen visa under “tourist” specification.
You need to apply for a Schengen Tourist Visa if your nationality is on the list of countries whose nationals need a Schengen short-stay visa.
Mick
I am fully aware that at present there appears to be no long stay visa for 'tourism' purposes to allow you to stay over 90 days continuously.No. The limit for tourism is 90 days. The visa exists because there is a list of countries which, unlike ourselves, are not exempt from tourist visa requirements, and so their citizens have to apply for a visa for any and every trip that they wish to make into the EU as a tourist, even if only for a few hours.
We - the UK - are limited to 90 days the same as everyone else, but we are in a different list and do not require a visa to enter and stay in the EU as tourists within that limit.
There is no such thing as an EU tourist visa that will cover more than 90 days, or extend the 90 day visa free period. Longer visas exist for specific purposes, but as soon as you enter "Tourism" as the reason for your visit on the application, the 90 day limit applies, and presumably if you try it as a UK citizen the application process will be cancelled and you will be informed that you don't require a visa for those circumstances.
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Do you not understand the meaning of 90 days in any 180 day period, knowing that the 180 is interpreted as a rolling period looking backwards from the proposed date of entry or any subsequent date you are currently in the EU?This may come over as being pedantic - but law and contracts are pedantic. Two pedantixc points:
1) This states you "need" to apply if on the list. It does not state you cannot apply if not on the list.
2) It states this allows entry for 90 in 180. It does not state this cannot be used cumulatively with other rights.
I am really not trying to wind anyone up here, merely exploring the art of the possible and what is legal
Okay, let me put it more plainly seeing as it doesn't bother you ... IMV anyone who keeps harping on about 'what we have lost' etc it not only causing aggravation to others for the sake of it, but risks the 'harper' being sent to Coventry.Fortunately I am entirely indifferent to the levels of endearment felt for me. I am more interested in people understanding how these decisions have impacted the way of life that many of us have worked incredibly hard to achieve, only to have it taken from us. Maybe if more people had researched and understood the implications , which, from the questions and confusion evident on this thread, many have not, we would not now be scrabbling about to see how we can somehow preserve the freedoms that we used to enjoy.
If you think it is possible to utilise a visa in those circumstances, surely there would already have been a lot of third country citizens staying in the EU for longer periods by obtaining a succession of back-to-back 90 day visas?
How do you know there aren't?Do you not understand the meaning of 90 days in any 180 day period, knowing that the 180 is interpreted as a rolling period looking backwards from the proposed date of entry or any subsequent date you are currently in the EU?
If you think it is possible to utilise a visa in those circumstances, surely there would already have been a lot of third country citizens staying in the EU for longer periods by obtaining a succession of back-to-back 90 day visas?
How do you know this though?Even if you were to find that you had been granted a visa by a desk jockey who hadn't appreciated what you were trying to do, good luck at the border when you come to leave. That is where they will determine that you have overstayed your maximum of 90 days within a rolling 180 day period, no ifs, no buts.
Even if you were to find that you had been granted a visa by a desk jockey who hadn't appreciated what you were trying to do, good luck at the border when you come to leave. That is where they will determine that you have overstayed your maximum of 90 days within a rolling 180 day period, no ifs, no buts.
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How so? Both allow 90 days in ANY 180 day period. If you have already been in the EU as visa exempt for 90 days immediately before attempting to utilise a visa that allows you 90 days within any period including the preceding 180 days, you would have already utilised the allowance granted in your visaNo this would not be possible as it is unambiguously clear that a Schengen visa allows only 90 in any 180 as has been repeatedly stated. As such back to back visas would not allow you to do this.
A Schengen Visa + using a 90 in 180 which does not need a visa is far less clear IMHO.
How so? Both allow 90 days in ANY 180 day period. If you have already been in the EU as visa exempt for 90 days immediately before attempting to utilise a visa that allows you 90 days within any period including the preceding 180 days, you would have already utilised the allowance granted in your visa
Because if you refer again to the official EU website, whether you are a citizen of a visa free country or a non-EU country who is required to obtain a short-stay (tourist) visa:How do you know there aren't?
How do you know this though?
Actually the visa free entry that the UK has been granted allows 90 days. The visa allows period to be determined at the time of application, which may be for any period up to a maximum of 90 days. and there is no guarantee that the applicant will be given 90 days. But you seem to be having difficulty understanding the concept of 90 days in any rolling 180 day period.If you read the documents on the EU portal regarding Schengen visa issuing this is made clear that it cannot be more than 90 in 180. It appears to me that both the no visa and visa route independently allow 90 in 180....
Can you find the facility in the short-stay calculator that allows you to add a short-stay visa and non-visa short-stay together, to come up with a result of 180 days?
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But you seem to be having difficulty understanding the concept of 90 days in any rolling 180 day period.
Then for God's sake read the bloody things and put us all out of our misery!!!No,
but the calculator is not part of the regulations. What matters is what is in the regulations......
Then for God's sake read the bloody things and put us all out of our misery!!!
But you seem to be having difficulty understanding the concept of 90 days in any rolling 180 day period.
It has nothing to do with immigration policy or visa's, you asked about were I think the UK is being punished.Please explain what that has to do with immigration policy and visas? I'm all ears (unlike the fish).
I'd also like to know why anyone would regard the Daily Express as a reliable source of information on anything, being as they consistently peddle catastrophic doom and gloom on a daily basis, none of which ever comes to pass. But that's another matter altogether.
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