Proof of the 90 day limit ! (4 Viewers)

[domf]

It looks to me like the 90 day tourist visa can be in addition to the 90 in 180?

 

[Molly A]

It looks to me like the 90 day tourist visa can be in addition to the 90 in 180?

No, ot can't, it isthe same thing.

 

[robnchris]

There is currently no such thing as a tourist catagory visa for over 90 days.There is apparently is a visa for people of independent means, which is expensive to apply for and has tax implications as it infers residency. You can apply for the so called golden visa, by buying a property of over 250,000 euros, or you can apply for residency in your chosen country, which I have done in Greece. This is not simple, as I must stay a minimum of 6 months in the country, which is more than I had wanted to do, and will quite likely have tax implications.So much for just a little bit of paperwork....

One just wonders why Brussels felt the need to impose such legislation when the UK didn't.

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[Molly A]

One just wonders why Brussels felt the need to impose such legislation when the UK didn't.

The UK was offered 180 days stay in the EU but our Government rejected it, along other concessions offered like the Erasmus scheme, and the ability for touring musicians to not be restricted to 90 days, so perhaps you'd like to raise it with your local MP.....

 

[Potty]

The UK was offered 180 days stay in the EU but our Government rejected it, along other concessions offered like the Erasmus scheme, and the ability for touring musicians to not be restricted to 90 days, so perhaps you'd like to raise it with your local MP.....

But what did the EU want in exchange?

 

[Deneb]

One just wonders why Brussels felt the need to impose such legislation when the UK didn't.

You make it sound like they have deliberately selected the UK for special treatment, but it has been the default EU immigration and visa policy for third countries for many years. All that has happened is that we have left the EU, and we now fall into that category, so we can hardly claim that it was unexpected.

The EU policy for third countries was known before anyone voted for Brexit, so presumably we all took that into account along with other matters that were obvious before we decided how to vote, didn't we?

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[robnchris]

You make it sound like they have deliberately selected the UK for special treatment, but it has been the default EU immigration and visa policy for third countries for many years. All that has happened is that we have left the EU, and we now fall into that category, so we can hardly claim that it was unexpected.

The EU policy for third countries was known before anyone voted for Brexit, so presumably we all took that into account along with other matters that were obvious before we decided how to vote, didn't we?

I didn't make it sound like anything, what we do know is for four and half years Brussels and the UK's representatives sat around a table to sort out Britain leaving the EU and this is what they came up with.
Who has claimed that this was unexpected?

 

[Deneb]

I didn't make it sound like anything, what we do know is for four and half years Brussels and the UK's representatives sat around a table to sort out Britain leaving the EU and this is what they came up with.
Who has claimed that this was unexpected?

So you're not asking why the EU felt it necessary to impose such formalities on the UK? (because they haven't, we have just become subject to the same rules as other countries that are not members of the EU).

Presumably then you are asking why the EU felt it necessary to have an immigration policy and impose it on visitors from any country that is not part of the community?
Preseumably for the same reason as other states and countries - they wish to control their borders, as apparently we want to take back control of ours.

 

[TDub49]

One just wonders why Brussels felt the need to impose such legislation when the UK didn't.

They haven't "imposed" it - they are just applying the same laws as apply to all third countries - which is what the UK chose to become in order to achieve greatness (apparently).

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[robnchris]

Well if those are the rules those that want to change them should perhaps write to their MP's.
We can adjust to 90 days in Europe during our summer, the winters we'll still have our 4 months in Australia and New Zealand.
I'm not interested in what the EU imposes on 3rd countries the negotiating table was a blank canvas with room to accommodate anything but instead Brussels, France in particular chose to punish Britain.
That's why we are were we are today.

 

[Madcaravanner]

Soooo if I am already here without a stamp, no one knows how long I have been in EU....

The UK Passport check scans your passport whether you see them do it or not but have had mine scanned every trip
even got a custom escort one year after three trips in three days - - literally a Ford Escort in Yellow with a busted headlamp

 

[Molly A]

But what did the EU want in exchange?

Nothing, apparently. You need to ask why this Government doesn't want us to have the same freedoms it has volunteered afor EU nationals.

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[gus-lopez]

One just wonders why Brussels felt the need to impose such legislation when the UK didn't.

They didn't UK exceeded EU rules by allowing 180 days stay .

I didn't make it sound like anything, what we do know is for four and half years Brussels and the UK's representatives sat around a table to sort out Britain leaving the EU and this is what they came up with.
Who has claimed that this was unexpected?

Yes & basically achieved nothing.

the winters we'll still have our 4 months in Australia and New Zealand.

maybe in 2023 when they might be letting us in again.

I'm not interested in what the EU imposes on 3rd countries the negotiating table was a blank canvas with room to accommodate anything but instead Brussels, France in particular chose to punish Britain.

No it wasn't you can't have 1 third world lot different to the others.
The EU only allowed 90 days in a rolling 180 for third world & it remains the same.


Eu regs was always 90 days in schengen The UK allowed 180 .therefore they could not reduce what the EU citizens already had conferred rights to.

 

[Deneb]

Well if those are the rules those that want to change them should perhaps write to their MP's.
We can adjust to 90 days in Europe during our summer, the winters we'll still have our 4 months in Australia and New Zealand.
I'm not interested in what the EU imposes on 3rd countries the negotiating table was a blank canvas with room to accommodate anything but instead Brussels, France in particular chose to punish Britain.
That's why we are were we are today.

OK. Why do you think we have been punished? We have been placed in a category that allows us visa free entry for up to 90 days, but there are many third countries whose citizens must apply for a visa to enter for even a few hours.

What is a UK MP supposed to be able to do about a foreign immigration and visitor policy?

Should we also allow other countries to dictate our immigration policy? I thought we wanted to dictate what we do with our own borders? It's not a one way street, unless you think we should invade the blighters, or launch a crusade?

 

[domf]

No, ot can't, it isthe same thing.

It is clearly not the same thing as 90 in 180 it is not a visa. Do you have a reference for your assertion?

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[gus-lopez]

It looks to me like the 90 day tourist visa can be in addition to the 90 in 180?

Why would you even think it is possible?
The UK has been given 90 in 180. They could have been the same as other 3rd world & had to have visa'a
You can't have both.

It is clearly not the same thing as 90 in 180 it is not a visa. Do you have a reference for your assertion?

As above one or the other.
Additionally for those who do have to apply for a schengen visa for 90 days it is possible to apply for an extension
but;

• Late Entry
• Humanitarian Reasons
• Force Majeure
• Important Personal Reasons

However, remember that the chances to extend your Schengen visa are very low. In order to get a tourist visa extension for any of the reasons given above, your application needs very strong arguments.






and not because you want a longer holiday.

 

[bobnick]

Kali Wali & Mafi Mushkila.

 

[Steve Martin]

Well I hope the weather improves in the UK by March...

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[Northernraider]

One just wonders why Brussels felt the need to impose such legislation when the UK didn't.

 

[Northernraider]

In 2016 some people wanted to stop freedom of movement.


They got that wish

Some were stoopid enough to actually use and enjoy that freedom.


But never mind stiff upper lip and all that

 

[robnchris]

OK. Why do you think we have been punished? We have been placed in a category that allows us visa free entry for up to 90 days, but there are many third countries whose citizens must apply for a visa to enter for even a few hours.

What is a UK MP supposed to be able to do about a foreign immigration and visitor policy?

Should we also allow other countries to dictate our immigration policy? I thought we wanted to dictate what we do with our own borders? It's not a one way street, unless you think we should invade the blighters, or launch a crusade?

How about this sort of treatment for a start

Tons of British fish caught in red tape left rotting in French ports

TONS of British fish are rotting in French ports because of a post-Brexit "brick wall of bureaucracy".

www.express.co.uk

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[domf]

Why would you even think it is possible?
The UK has been given 90 in 180. They could have been the same as other 3rd world & had to have visa'a
You can't have both.

To be clear I am not sure it is possible. The reason I think it may be possible is that the primary purpose of a Visa (from the recipients perspective) is to allow you to visit when you would not otherwise be allowed to.

Currently, you are allowed to visit 90 days in every 180 without Visa. Let's take am example scenario (for simplicity I am assuming every month is 30 days)...

1) Enter Schengen 1st Jan and leave the end of March - all 90 days used.
2) Apply for Visa (and assume it is granted)
3) Enter Schengen 1/5 with valid Visa.

It is clear at point 3) you would be exceeding the 90 in 180, however you have a valid visa and the purpose of a Visa is to grant you access where you are not otherwise allowed it.


Just a thought....

 

[Deneb]

How about this sort of treatment for a start

Tons of British fish caught in red tape left rotting in French ports

TONS of British fish are rotting in French ports because of a post-Brexit "brick wall of bureaucracy".

www.express.co.uk

Please explain what that has to do with immigration policy and visas? I'm all ears (unlike the fish).

I'd also like to know why anyone would regard the Daily Express as a reliable source of information on anything, being as they consistently peddle catastrophic doom and gloom on a daily basis, none of which ever comes to pass. But that's another matter altogether.

 

[TDub49]

To be clear I am not sure it is possible. The reason I think it may be possible is that the primary purpose of a Visa (from the recipients perspective) is to allow you to visit when you would not otherwise be allowed to.

Currently, you are allowed to visit 90 days in every 180 without Visa. Let's take am example scenario (for simplicity I am assuming every month is 30 days)...

1) Enter Schengen 1st Jan and leave the end of March - all 90 days used.
2) Apply for Visa (and assume it is granted)
3) Enter Schengen 1/5 with valid Visa.

It is clear at point 3) you would be exceeding the 90 in 180, however you have a valid visa and the purpose of a Visa is to grant you access where you are not otherwise allowed it.


Just a thought....

Just look at other posts above - if you want to extend your 90 days by obtaining a visa it has to be for specific reasons, not tourism and is likely to be limited to only one country. You could always stump up the €40,000 for EU citizenship then you wouldn't have a problem . . . . .

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[domf]

Just look at other posts above - if you want to extend your 90 days by obtaining a visa it has to be for specific reasons, not tourism and is likely to be limited to only one country. You could always stump up the €40,000 for EU citizenship then you wouldn't have a problem . . . . .

No - unless I am misreading it that is to extend a Visa. I am not suggesting extending a Visa. I am suggesting getting a standard tourism Visa, valid for 90 days and using that in point 3). Tourism appears to be a valid reason to apply for such a Visa?

 

[TDub49]

Please explain what that has to do with immigration policy and visas? I'm all ears (unlike the fish).

I'd also like to know why anyone would regard the Daily Express as a reliable source of information on anything, being as they consistently peddle catastrophic doom and gloom on a daily basis, none of which ever comes to pass. But that's another matter altogether.

Bang on. Everything that goes wrong from now on in will be the fault of the EU. Nothing to do with the position that this country decided to take and the total ineptitude of the Govt. The sense of righteous indication that comes through in some of the posts would be amusing it it wasn't so sad. We negotiate (if that's the right word) our way out of the biggest free trade area in the world with the special terms and conditions that we had and then expect the EU to bend over backwards so that we can have our cake and eat it. We have been allowed to be part of the visa-liberalisation scheme from which we get the 90/180 arrangement (even though we never joined the Schengen zone) but then get hurt when the EU won't offer so much more. Why should they, it's their club and we chose to leave.

 

[Minxy]

No - unless I am misreading it that is to extend a Visa. I am not suggesting extending a Visa. I am suggesting getting a standard tourism Visa, valid for 90 days and using that in point 3). Tourism appears to be a valid reason to apply for such a Visa?

Just to clarify for those who are a bit confused (I understand what you are on about) ... we don't need a visa for up to 90 days in 180 as that is what was agreed with the EU for us to have (some other countries don't have this).

However from what you've said you want to 'add' to this by getting a 90 day visa before you are entitled to the next lot of 90 days (ie within the 90 day 'barred' time) ... its an interesting point and one which hasn't been suggested before and brings up a whole host of other questions, such as ...

If we were able to get a 'tourist' 90 day visa within the 'barred' time:

• would this count at all towards the next 90 days allowance thus in effect bringing it 'forward' so after this visa you'd still have to wait another 90 days before you could visit again?
• Would it simply bring forward your next lot of 90 days in a year so you would then be restricted to wait until the full year (360 days) was up before you could go abroad again?
• Would it be 'ignored' as far as the existing 90 days in 180 (180 in a year)?

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[Molly A]

Why would you even think it is possible?
The UK has been given 90 in 180. They could have been the same as other 3rd world & had to have visa'a
You can't have both.



As above one or the other.
Additionally for those who do have to apply for a schengen visa for 90 days it is possible to apply for an extension
but;

• Late Entry
• Humanitarian Reasons
• Force Majeure
• Important Personal Reasons

However, remember that the chances to extend your Schengen visa are very low. In order to get a tourist visa extension for any of the reasons given above, your application needs very strong arguments.






and not because you want a longer holiday.

Funny how people can't get their heads around what many of them have voted gor....

You make it sound like they have deliberately selected the UK for special treatment, but it has been the default EU immigration and visa policy for third countries for many years. All that has happened is that we have left the EU, and we now fall into that category, so we can hardly claim that it was unexpected.

The EU policy for third countries was known before anyone voted for Brexit, so presumably we all took that into account along with other matters that were obvious before we decided how to vote, didn't we?

Just to clarify for those who are a bit confused (I understand what you are on about) ... we don't need a visa for up to 90 days in 180 as that is what was agreed with the EU for us to have (some other countries don't have this).

However from what you've said you want to 'add' to this by getting a 90 day visa before you are entitled to the next lot of 90 days (ie within the 90 day 'barred' time) ... its an interesting point and one which hasn't been suggested before and brings up a whole host of other questions, such as ...

If we were able to get a 'tourist' 90 day visa within the 'barred' time:

• would this count at all towards the next 90 days allowance thus in effect bringing it 'forward' so after this visa you'd still have to wait another 90 days before you could visit again?
• Would it simply bring forward your next lot of 90 days in a year so you would then be restricted to wait until the full year (360 days) was up before you could go abroad again?
• Would it be 'ignored' as far as the existing 90 days in 180 (180 in a year)?

There is no other 90 day tourist visa!

 

[domf]

Just to clarify for those who are a bit confused (I understand what you are on about) ... we don't need a visa for up to 90 days in 180 as that is what was agreed with the EU for us to have (some other countries don't have this).

However from what you've said you want to 'add' to this by getting a 90 day visa before you are entitled to the next lot of 90 days (ie within the 90 day 'barred' time) ... its an interesting point and one which hasn't been suggested before and brings up a whole host of other questions, such as ...

If we were able to get a 'tourist' 90 day visa within the 'barred' time:

• would this count at all towards the next 90 days allowance thus in effect bringing it 'forward' so after this visa you'd still have to wait another 90 days before you could visit again?
• Would it simply bring forward your next lot of 90 days in a year so you would then be restricted to wait until the full year (360 days) was up before you could go abroad again?
• Would it be 'ignored' as far as the existing 90 days in 180 (180 in a year)?

Thanks and you are perfectly correct - that is what I am suggesting. Having done quite a lot of reading on this I believe your first option is correct, it would still count as being in the Schengen area (as you are!) so when you left you would have to wait 90 days. Or apply for another Visa.... I should point out that this is all based on the assumption that a tourist Visa will be granted to a UK citizen.

My wife is Irish, so an EU citizen which opens another option (I should point out we have no plans to stay more than 90 days so this is hypothetical at the moment).

As an example, if we were to want to move to Spain, for say 200 days, having arrived legally using te 90 in 180 rule I could apply for residency as the spouse of an EU citizen. While this application is underway, and there is no good reason I can see it would not be granted, then you are entitled to stay in the country while the decision is being taken, even if that is > 90 days according to the official EU documentation: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citize...children/index_en.htm#in-another-EU-country-1