Parking Charge Notice

buttons said:
Bailiffs can include your vehicle in a controlled goods agreement, or they can tow away or clamp it. They can do this if your vehicle is parked at your home or on a public road. But they can't take your vehicle if it's parked on someone else's private land, unless they have a court order allowing this.
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Bailiffs would have to be sure who was the legal owner of the vehicle before seizing it. This might not be so easy unless they can get sight of a Bill of Sale, but even then it might have been later transferred to another family member other than the person owing the debt - not legal if done susequent to the judgement.

Geoff
 
gus-lopez said:
I only mentioned it because on one occasion, being p****d right off ,I told the truth:LOL:
That's nearly a months running costs of my house!:eek:

No,even when I lived in the Uk I wouldn't pay on principal.
Morrisons North Devon allowed it, as did Asda ,Taunton at one time. You'd be surprised who will allow it.
I also know a Homebase & Tesco that allow it if asked. Or they did when I asked.:LOL: Also the hospital my wife was in allowed/ & allows MH parking on reduced weekly rate tickets with overnight stay as well.

@scotjimland One supermarket parking in the Atlantic village in north devon allows 90 minutes.
Now if you can do your shopping, in the supermarket, eat breakfast & shop in the rest of the centre shops in that small amount of time you're better than I am.:LOL:


Nothing of mine is touchable by anyone including the police nor will it ever be.


It would never get that far:)
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...l-crime-hub-and-haven-for-fugitives-1.2540296 ;):)
 
I have had two of these, one with this company. As others have said you have not broken the law, but have entered into a legal contract by virtue of parking your car you have agreed to the terms of the contract, one of which will be a breach of contract which they are terming as a fine. the breach is because you overstayed the period you paid for.

However, the alleged breach of contract is between the parking company and the person who entered the contract with them, that would be the driver of the vehicle at the time. On both occasions I have had to deal with this, and on good legal authority I have written back to the companies that I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXXXXX With regard to there correspondents can they confirm in writing that I am legally obliged in law to inform them of the driver of the vehicle at the said time of the alleged breach of contract. On both occasions they have not answered the question but sent a one line reply. "case closed"
Good luck
 
EX51SSS said:
Sorry but you've lost me there
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Don't know why(n) if you go to each supermarket as you suggest it wouldn't cost you anything but if you stopped at any one longer you would have to pay, but you don't run the risk of getting a stupid fine a monthdown the line.(y)
 
nicholsong said:
Bailiffs would have to be sure who was the legal owner of the vehicle before seizing it. This might not be so easy unless they can get sight of a Bill of Sale, but even then it might have been later transferred to another family member other than the person owing the debt - not legal if done susequent to the judgement.

Geoff
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Let us also make it clear that Bailiffs can only enforce a court order. They cannot be used to enforce an alleged debt. So before they send the Bailiffs knocking round they must have taken you to court and got some form of monetary award against you.

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chaser said:
Don't know why(n) if you go to each supermarket as you suggest it wouldn't cost you anything but if you stopped at any one longer you would have to pay, but you don't run the risk of getting a stupid fine a monthdown the line.(y)
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In your previous post, you were suggesting to pay at these places so even if £1.00 a time, that could be an extra £5.00 a week on my bills
 
To clarify my original post, I don’t dispute that I am in breech of contract for overstaying. My whole point is simply this. The ticket I purchased cost £.80p for the hour. I overstayed by 15 minutes. This company are charging £100 and my submission is that this is an unfair amount because it is excessive. I do not believe that the loss to either the Private landowner or Smart Parking justifies such a heavy penalty.
 
Highfour said:
To clarify my original post, I don’t dispute that I am in breech of contract for overstaying. My whole point is simply this. The ticket I purchased cost £.80p for the hour. I overstayed by 15 minutes. This company are charging £100 and my submission is that this is an unfair amount because it is excessive. I do not believe that the loss to either the Private landowner or Smart Parking justifies such a heavy penalty.
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I totally agree. In fact, a pound would be overcharging you.
 
peterc10 said:
Let us also make it clear that Bailiffs can only enforce a court order. They cannot be used to enforce an alleged debt. So before they send the Bailiffs knocking round they must have taken you to court and got some form of monetary award against you.
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My point was that the Court Order is against person XYZ and the Bailiffs would have to be sure that the vehicle legally was owned by person XYZ.
 
Highfour said:
To clarify my original post, I don’t dispute that I am in breech of contract for overstaying. My whole point is simply this. The ticket I purchased cost £.80p for the hour. I overstayed by 15 minutes. This company are charging £100 and my submission is that this is an unfair amount because it is excessive. I do not believe that the loss to either the Private landowner or Smart Parking justifies such a heavy penalty.
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Morally speaking, it is unfair and excessive. Unfortunately, Barry Beavis fought this legal argument against Parking Eye all the way to the UK Supreme Court and still lost.

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gus-lopez said:
Who reads the signs ? That's like saying that you packed your own bag at the airport.:LOL:
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I have always read parking signs since a road i parked on in Leicester became an Urban Clearway at Rush hour and i got fined,,back in the 60s,,Never been done since,,BUSBY..
 
SpeedyDux said:
Morally speaking, it is unfair and excessive. Unfortunately, Barry Beavis fought this legal argument against Parking Eye all the way to the UK Supreme Court and still lost.
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As it worked in the car park owners favour, they have the upper hand now, and are taking more and more people to court.
 
Anything that isn't a local authority parking penalty or enforced by the police traffic wardens I ignore.
I've had a few ...theyve threatened court action after a while but as yet have never done it.
Especially the ones with extortionate charges , if your in a carpark that charges £1 for an hour and you run over by 15 minutes of send them a cheque for £1 and tell them to keep the change.

Bloody chancers
 
Northernraider said:
Anything that isn't a local authority parking penalty or enforced by the police traffic wardens I ignore.
I've had a few ...theyve threatened court action after a while but as yet have never done it.
Especially the ones with extortionate charges , if your in a carpark that charges £1 for an hour and you run over by 15 minutes of send them a cheque for £1 and tell them to keep the change.

Bloody chancers
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People doing this should include the words 'in full and final settlement of .....'

So if they cash the cheque they have accepted it as such.

Geoff
 
On a lighter note: We were in a small town near Cork and asked a Parking Warden where we might park the motorhome, after a smile and a think he said " Go down the slope into the bus station and park on the double yellows" !! I asked if he was sure and if there were any other wardens. The reply " Well yes there's my mate but he doesnt go down there as he doesnt like to walk back up the slope"

As a result of that we found later that we had spent almost £100 in the town on that visit
Mike & Ann

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This happened to me several years ago when we parked in a B&Q car park at the Croydon store. When we drove in we did not see any time limit warnings notices or entry/ exit cameras. We were buying a new kitchen at B&Q and had overstayed by 36 minutes. We then got a pay up or else notice from a parking company with the photo of the car leaving the car park and I was dumbfounded. Straight away I emailed the company and told them we were in the car park and overstayed because we had spent a lot of time in the store making a large purchase and also saw no notices or cameras. They were not interested and said pay up or the usual rubbish would follow. I then contacted the B&Q store, spoke to the manager and told him what had happened. The B&Q manager said, that they did not own the car park, and could not help and if there was a problem and I should contact the parking company. I told him that I already had done this and they were not interested. It seemed that B&Q were not interested either. I was not happy with this so spoke to him again a couple of days later. I told him, that the reason I had been in their store that day was that I had ordered a 8 grand kitchen on that day and the planning and buying had taken us ages - well it would. I told him rather strongly, that if he failed to get in touch with the parking company and get the charge rescinded then I would cancel my 8 grand kitchen order under the cooling off period and buy it somewhere else. Three days after contacting him the second time I got a letter from the parking charge company saying the parking charge had been cancelled. Just goes to show what can be done when nothing apparently can - money always talks.
 
scotjimland said:
Years go Aldi introduced parking controls to stop commuters parking for free all day, instead of using the train station car park which is Pay and Display ..thereby depriving shoppers of a parking place.. what's wrong with that ?

Nearly all retail parks and supermarkets have parking controls for the same reason.. the signs are always prominently placed and quite clear what will happen if you overstay the time limit.
Our local Tesco has a 3 hour limit.. as does John Lewis.. Three hours is more than adequate to do a weeks shop.. or to enjoy a browse in John Lewis.

Why anyone needs more than 3 hours to do a weeks shop is beyond me.

selfish people have forced retailers to take action to stop parking abuse .. they don't do it to annoy you or make money from fines.. . it's for YOUR benefit
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But it has to be reasonable to make sense. A pal pulled into a 24 hr supermarket car park in the early hours of the morning [2am/3am sort of time] for a kip. He'd been driving hours, from Stirling in Scokkie and still had a couple of hundred miles or more to go, to Brsl. He meant to just have a cat-nap but was so tired that he actually slept for about 3 hours. You will agree that he was doing the sensible and safe thing.

Some wekks later he was horrified to get an £80 'fine' from Tescbury's for overstaying the 2hr parking limit. It was all done on auto by NPR gizmos. As he told me, the huge car park was virtually empty when he arrived and when he left. But it was more the time of day - night - which was unreasonable.
 
fairford rambler said:
This happened to me several years ago when we parked in a B&Q car park at the Croydon store. When we drove in we did not see any time limit warnings notices or entry/ exit cameras. We were buying a new kitchen at B&Q and had overstayed by 36 minutes. We then got a pay up or else notice from a parking company with the photo of the car leaving the car park and I was dumbfounded. Straight away I emailed the company and told them we were in the car park and overstayed because we had spent a lot of time in the store making a large purchase and also saw no notices or cameras. They were not interested and said pay up or the usual rubbish would follow. I then contacted the B&Q store, spoke to the manager and told him what had happened. The B&Q manager said, that they did not own the car park, and could not help and if there was a problem and I should contact the parking company. I told him that I already had done this and they were not interested. It seemed that B&Q were not interested either. I was not happy with this so spoke to him again a couple of days later. I told him, that the reason I had been in their store that day was that I had ordered a 8 grand kitchen on that day and the planning and buying had taken us ages - well it would. I told him rather strongly, that if he failed to get in touch with the parking company and get the charge rescinded then I would cancel my 8 grand kitchen order under the cooling off period and buy it somewhere else. Three days after contacting him the second time I got a letter from the parking charge company saying the parking charge had been cancelled. Just goes to show what can be done when nothing apparently can - money always talks.
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That's almost word for word, what happened to me at Wickes in Aylesbury.

Yorick said:
A few years ago I popped into Wickes in Aylesbury as they asked me to confirm something on a purchase we were making. It's a free for 2 hour car park, but I was only 2 mins so didn't get a ticket.

Sometime later, a 'fine' came through the post. I called parking co. and said I was shopping in Wickes. Tough titty.

So I called the branch of Wickes. Tough titty.

So, I went into the store and demanded to see the manager. He was busy apparently, but I made a huge stink and he came down rather angry and demanded to know what I wanted.

I then chucked some paperwork on the desk and said I wanted to cancel our rather expensive kitchen order.
Some huffing and puffing ensued, but when he realised I was serious, he was straight on the phone to the parking scum :)
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Hilewaychile said:
But it has to be reasonable to make sense. A pal pulled into a 24 hr supermarket car park in the early hours of the morning [2am/3am sort of time] for a kip. He'd been driving hours, from Stirling in Scokkie and still had a couple of hundred miles or more to go, to Brsl. He meant to just have a cat-nap but was so tired that he actually slept for about 3 hours. You will agree that he was doing the sensible and safe thing.

Some wekks later he was horrified to get an £80 'fine' from Tescbury's for overstaying the 2hr parking limit. It was all done on auto by NPR gizmos. As he told me, the huge car park was virtually empty when he arrived and when he left. But it was more the time of day - night - which was unreasonable.
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did your 'pal' appeal the charge?

if your pal went for a sleep for more than 3 hours, it's hardly 'reasonable' that that should be allowed.. or expect there to be an exemption.. where do you draw the line ?

the rules are clearly posted in the car parks.. I've never read any unreasonable rules...

if you are tired and need a sleep, the sensible and safe thing to do would be to draw into a service station or lay-by
 
These private parking firms really are absolute vultures.

I understand what retailers are trying to achieve with ensuring they get enough customer flow to keep the tills ringing, but the parking companies really do take the proverbial with the level of charge they *try* to impose.

I had one of their love letters a few years ago but it was for when Mrs F was driving my car - which was registered to me - and at the time they had to prove who was driving and I was under no obligation to tell them who it was. To be honest, if it was £10 or £20 I would have just paid it, but at £120 they could stick it! Now, the rules have changed, but I believe that they are still operating under contract law which has to prove that they've suffered a loss commensurate to the level they're trying to claim off you. Could be a bit tricky for a deserted supermarket car park in the early hours!

What really grates is that DVLA will happily sell your details to these firms, and there's nothing you can do about it. What happened to Data Protection?

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Feltwell said:
To be honest, if it was £10 or £20 I would have just paid it,
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For some people,. £10 or £20 charge per day would be cheap parking .. the high charge is to deter..

our Tesco and retail carparks are on the A12, near Felixtowe and the container terminal.. can you imagine what would happen if trucks could park all night for free.. bad enough when they block up all the available lay-bys rather than pay the £20 to use the Orwell crossing truck stop..

the retail car parks also have clear signs that overnight parking is not allowed..
 
scotjimland said:
For some people,. £10 or £20 charge per day would be cheap parking .. the high charge is to deter..
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Local Authority parking tickets aren't usually anywhere near as much and they are trying to achieve the same outcome. I think the exorbitantly high charges from private parking companies are because they are trying to make as much money as possible and charging what they think they can get away with. I agree parking controls are sometimes necessary but these companies really are parasites.
 
Just had one myself from parking eye at Aldi I did all the right things, didn' have receipt, only bought a box of eggs, 89 p. Took photo of egg box, wrote letter, but will ll probably be ignored. Going to ask to see till roll at the time of my transaction, assuming they still keep them. Always play by the rules, so wasn' a happy bunny. More to follow.
 
scottie said:
Just had one myself from parking eye at Aldi I did all the right things, didn' have receipt, only bought a box of eggs, 89 p. Took photo of egg box, wrote letter, but will ll probably be ignored. Going to ask to see till roll at the time of my transaction, assuming they still keep them. Always play by the rules, so wasn' a happy bunny. More to follow.
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How long did it take you to buy a box of eggs?
 

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