Whats my speed limit?

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Davylambretta

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Anyone advise? Van is down as Private HGV for road tax and max gross weight is 3.8 tonne on makers plate, However driving down the A9 through variable speed cams and mobile unit and just wondering where I stand as might have been going faster than limit given it's weight but looking here it's a bit confusing https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits no mention of my unladen weight etc on log book/vin plate only indication is revenue weight of 3501kg gross I'm a bit confused between Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) or Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) which has a lesser speed limit on single road/dual carriageway just shitting it incase I get a ticket or two I've got the correct license to drive it
 
Davylambretta said:
Anyone advise? Van is down as Private HGV for road tax and max gross weight is 3.8 tonne on makers plate, However driving down the A9 through variable speed cams and mobile unit and just wondering where I stand as might have been going faster than limit given it's weight but looking here it's a bit confusing https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits no mention of my unladen weight etc on log book/vin plate only indication is revenue weight of 3501kg gross I'm a bit confused between Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) or Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) which has a lesser speed limit on single road/dual carriageway just shitting it incase I get a ticket or two I've got the correct license to drive it
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Slow down then,,,,,BUSBY:):)
 
I agree the 3.05t unladen weight criteria is singularly unhelpful as I don't think it is quoted anywhere on the documentation you will have for the motorhome.
You could take the MH to a weighbridge, with empty water tank, next to no fuel and you standing outside it when it is weighed. If you are only just over 3.05t remove anything loose until you are. :)
Keep a copy of the printout to be used in your defence. :)
 
Davylambretta said:
Anyone advise? Van is down as Private HGV for road tax and max gross weight is 3.8 tonne on makers plate, However driving down the A9 through variable speed cams and mobile unit and just wondering where I stand as might have been going faster than limit given it's weight but looking here it's a bit confusing https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits no mention of my unladen weight etc on log book/vin plate only indication is revenue weight of 3501kg gross I'm a bit confused between Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) or Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) which has a lesser speed limit on single road/dual carriageway just shitting it incase I get a ticket or two I've got the correct license to drive it
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Bit confusing, you say your van is PHGV and max gross weight is 3.8T according to makers plate, but on your V5 or vin plate revenue weight is 3501kg. I thought they would be the same? I’m surprised you could go over 60 on the A9 unless you were on the bottom end, I hate that road now. It’s taken all the interest out, average speed cameras for no real reason.

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Dan and Jan said:
Bit confusing, you say your van is PHGV and max gross weight is 3.8T according to makers plate, but on your V5 or vin plate revenue weight is 3501kg
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Immaterial really, it's over 3500kg so is PHGV.
Just laziness on the part of the person processing the V5...couldn't be bothered to look at the state weight.
 
Problem is I don't know the unladen weight according to the Fiat Ducatos owners book even the chassis code isn't even listed so got little to go on
 
Do you have the Certificate of Conformity? AFIK it’s on that somewhere..
 
Dan and Jan said:
Bit confusing, you say your van is PHGV and max gross weight is 3.8T according to makers plate, but on your V5 or vin plate revenue weight is 3501kg. I thought they would be the same? I’m surprised you could go over 60 on the A9 unless you were on the bottom end, I hate that road now. It’s taken all the interest out, average speed cameras for no real reason.
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Same as the A77 average speed cameras all over although it' supposed to have cut the number of deaths on the road had some tools on the A9 cut me up in the past. Was near the bottom jut after a dualled section mobile camera in layby but jut wanting to know if I'm 60 or 50!
 
pappajohn said:
Immaterial really, it's over 3500kg so is PHGV.
Just laziness on the part of the person processing the V5...couldn't be bothered to look at the state weight.
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I was just interested as l just received mine back from DVLA, correct I would add. :whistle:
 
In the UK, I usually stick to the lower speed limits after having my van uprated to 4500kg, especially as I regularly travel with the sea kayak on the roof, however my unladen weight remains unchanged and as far as I am concerned, I am legal at the higher speeds.

As others have said, the unladen weight figure is not available, either to me or the authorities and my certificate of conformity only states a Mass in Running Order figure of 3067kg, which is a higher figure than the unladen weight, as it includes a 75kg allowance for the driver.
Taking the allowance for the driver away from the MRO figure puts my unladen weight under 3000kg and it is this which prevents any attempted prosecution for driving at the higher limits.
 
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Kingham said:
In the UK, I usually stick to the lower speed limits after having my van uprated to 4500kg, especially as I regularly travel with the sea kayak on the roof, however my unladen weight remains unchanged and as far as I am concerned, I am legal at the higher speeds.

As others have said, the unladen weight figure is not available, either to me or the authorities and my certificate of conformity only states a Mass in Running Order figure of 3067kg, which is a higher figure than the unladen weight, as it includes a 75kg allowance for the driver.
Taking the allowance for the driver away from the MRO figure puts my unladen weight under 3000kg and it is this which prevents any attempted prosecution for driving at the higher limits.
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Where does this allowance of 75 kg for the driver come from? is it stated in law or is it an urban myth,,,,BUSBY.
 
busby said:
Where does this allowance of 75 kg for the driver come from? is it stated in law or is it an urban myth,,,,BUSBY.
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Its not an urban myth. They allow you 75 kgs of driver, an amount of water (90 per cent i think) and some diesel ( a full tank i think) and one leisure battery.
 
suavecarve said:
Its not an urban myth. They allow you 75 kgs of driver, an amount of water (90 per cent i think) and some diesel ( a full tank i think) and one leisure battery.
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Would be interesting to see where you got that info from.
Because the following is a quote from DVLA (gov.uk)
Unladen weight
The unladen weight of any vehicle is the weight of the vehicle when it’s not carrying any passengers, goods or other items.

It includes the body and all parts normally used with the vehicle or trailer when it’s used on a road.

It doesn’t include the weight of:

  • fuel
  • batteries in an electric vehicle - unless it’s a mobility scooter or powered wheelchair
In either case to the op. If you're unsure stick to the lower limits.

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suavecarve said:
Its not an urban myth. They allow you 75 kgs of driver, an amount of water (90 per cent i think) and some diesel ( a full tank i think) and one leisure battery.
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Just be aware this is not a "standard".. Some manufacturers started to use it and others did not.
To make it worse let me quote Autotrail.. My Apache 700 in 2012 MIRO included water, gas, fuel and driver.. Same model now in 2018 and they no longer include the water so that makes 100kg difference. I think they make it up as they go along.
Some continental vans i have seen quote for carrying 20ltrs if water.
 
busby said:
Where does this allowance of 75 kg for the driver come from? is it stated in law or is it an urban myth,,,,BUSBY.
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busby said:
Where does this allowance of 75 kg for the driver come from? is it stated in law or is it an urban myth,,,,BUSBY.
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Not an urban myth, all MIRO's include allowances they vary between manufacturers but all include a driver at 75kg. All German vans use the same allowances, Driver 75kg, 20lt water 20kg, 90% fuel 75kg, 1x11kg aluminium gas bottle 17kg.
 
In Scotland, under 3500, are same as cars.
Over 3500 are normally classed as PHVG, so 50 on a single carriageway, 60 on a duel & 70 on a motorway.

It's interestingish to note that HGV's weighing over 7.5 tons can only do 40 on Scottish roads.

Phill
 
Time4T said:
In Scotland, under 3500, are same as cars.
Over 3500 are normally classed as PHVG, so 50 on a single carriageway, 60 on a duel & 70 on a motorway.

It's interestingish to note that HGV's weighing over 7.5 tons can only do 40 on Scottish roads.

Phill
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You're correct about HGVs remaining at the old speeds, when the rest of the UK raised the limit by 10mph, on single and duals, allowing them to travel at 50 or 60 mph respectively, but I don't think Scotland is any different regarding motorhomes, where the speed limit is decided by the unladen weight being over or under 3050kg and nothing to do with the maximum weight being over 3500kg, or the taxation class being PHGV.

If you can categorically show that Scotland is different, please give a link to it, as I am heading up there next week and would prefer to know for definite, even though I'm likely to be at the slower speeds anyway.

Ken.

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MIRO has no meaning in law relating to speed limits or permissible weights it is merely a marketing figure.
 
Kingham said:
You're correct about HGVs remaining at the old speeds, when the rest of the UK raised the limit by 10mph, on single and duals, allowing them to travel at 50 or 60 mph respectively, but I don't think Scotland is any different regarding motorhomes, where the speed limit is decided by the unladen weight being over or under 3050kg and nothing to do with the maximum weight being over 3500kg, or the taxation class being PHGV.

If you can categorically show that Scotland is different, please give a link to it, as I am heading up there next week and would prefer to know for definite, even though I'm likely to be at the slower speeds anyway.

Ken.
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Gov speed limits for under/over 3.05 maximum unladen weight so are on the gov speed limits web site so take no notice of me I got the 5 in the wrong place!

Phill
 
Time4T said:
Gov speed limits for under/over 3.05 maximum unladen weight so are on the gov speed limits web site so take no notice of me I got the 5 in the wrong place!

Phill
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Thanks for clearing that up, I thought they'd snuck a change in without telling us (y)

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sdc77 said:
Would be interesting to see where you got that info from.
Because the following is a quote from DVLA (gov.uk)
Unladen weight
The unladen weight of any vehicle is the weight of the vehicle when it’s not carrying any passengers, goods or other items.

It includes the body and all parts normally used with the vehicle or trailer when it’s used on a road.

It doesn’t include the weight of:

  • fuel
  • batteries in an electric vehicle - unless it’s a mobility scooter or powered wheelchair
In either case to the op. If you're unsure stick to the lower limits.
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That's exactly the case that I'm making !

The unladen weight is not the same as the MiRO and it is the MiRO that has the allowances for the driver, water etc.
 

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