What is my pay load please?

[Cliffdale]

The plate, logbook , white ticket are different and confusing. Will you explain the difference and let me know the pay load assuming 1 driver and 100 litres of fuel. It is a apache 700. The web site is different again!

 

[Jim]

Take a look here . https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/portal/motorhome-payload/

 

[Cliffdale]

Thanks
The metal plate first and second is 4400kg and 6500kg.

The white ticket is 4400 and 5650.

Which do i look at and why the difference?

 

[tonka]

Thanks
The metal plate first and second is 4400kg and 6500kg.

The white ticket is 4400 and 5650.

Which do i look at and why the difference?

Ignore the metal plate.. That was for the Fiat in it's basic form.
When it was converted by Autotrail, extension bars are added to take the longer body, these will not be the same strength as the original chassis and so the train (pulling) weight is reduced to stop you pulling the ass end off your motorhome

The white convertors plate is the one that matters..
The "payload" is difference between when the van is totally empty and it's max weight. 4400kg..

The 700's usually have a good payload. From your V5 it look as if empty weight is 3500 so you have 900kg of payload. Less any accessories you have put on the van ie towbar, extra batteries.. The way Autotrail now do their weight the empty weight does not include water so if you fill the tanks thats 100kg off the payload.

 

[Derbyshire wanderer]

If?, the mass in service weight is 3500kg (a weight bridge will confirm), you have 900kg to play with.
I believe the mass in service allows for a full tank of fuel and a 75kg driver. Everything else added as extras including gas bottles will not be included so use payload.

Only weighing it ready to use with passenger, gas, water if needed etc will tell you how much is left for essentials like wine and beer.

The 5650 is the revised train weight given by Autotrail as the converter. If fully laden, the maximum trailer weight is 1250kg but this can increase providing the MH weight is reduced accordingly.
Sorry edited that as the logbook gives a maximum 1250kg trailer weight it cannot be exceeded

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[TheBig1]

your payload is your max weight of 4400kg less the actual weight of your van on weighbridge

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Thanks
The metal plate first and second is 4400kg and 6500kg.

The white ticket is 4400 and 5650.

Which do i look at and why the difference?

The 6500kg is the maximum combined weight of the vehicle and a trailer. You can ignore this one for the purposes of your question.

The maximum your van can weigh is 4400kg.

You need to know how much it weighs with fuel and water in it and not much else. Hopefully this will be a significantly lower figure than 4400kg. The difference between the two is your payload.

There are two ways of finding out how much your van weighs.

1. The manufacturer will quote a Mass In Running Order figure. This usually includes a full tank of fuel, an amount of water that varies from manufacturer to manufacturer, 75kg allowance for the driver and nothing else. You can trust this figure if you want but I wouldn't recommend it as many manufacturers are known to blatantly lie be hopelessly optimistic when it comes to this figure.

2. The second method and by far the best one is to take your van to a weigh bridge and weigh it. This is the only way you'll get a truly accurate figure. If you really want to know a real MIRO figure you'll have to empty it but that's not really necessary. Pack for a standard trip and weigh it like that. That will give you a far more useful figure of how much you have left.

 

[gus-lopez]

But the 6500kgs has been reduced by the converters plate to 5650kgs.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

@Cliffdale another thing that you have to remember if you choose to use the converters MIRO figure is that it will not include things like solar panels, satellite dishes, gas bottles, awnings, tow bars and extra batteries.

The weight of any extras like these will need to be deducted from your payload figure.

 

[soreeyes]

As said the original plate is Fiat's and the coach builders plate AT over rides the original plate .


5650 kg mgtw has been reduced to allow a 1250 kg tow limit due to body construction and 4400 gvw .

Mass in service would be 3500 kg (usually +/- 5% leaving 900 kg but this is a only rough and should be weighed to get a accurate figure .

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[Cliffdale]

I also have this. The small text says empty vehicle no gas, water or fuel. Includes any options when it left the production line.

 

[tonka]

View attachment 190335 I also have this. The small text says empty vehicle no gas, water or fuel. Includes any options when it left the production line.

Very interesting.. First time I have seen one of those issued a good move.
@NickNic The 700 comes with an awning recessed into the body, standard fit, so on this example would be included.
Correct on all the other bits..

 

[Deleted member 29692]

View attachment 190335 I also have this. The small text says empty vehicle no gas, water or fuel. Includes any options when it left the production line.

That 3348kg is what they are saying the MIRO is so if you choose to accept that then:

4400 - 3348 = 1052kg payload in theory.

Take any extras off of that to determine your real payload

The next thing you have to decide is whether you want to trust their figures

 

[tonka]

This whole MIRO is a joke really..
None of the manufacturers work to a set system..
Some include water, some just 10ltrs, some non at all.
Some have gas, some dont.

Even Autotrail and on this same model..
My 2012 700 has a MIRO that includes full water, now they do it and exclude the water

 

[magicsurfbus]

1. The manufacturer will quote a Mass In Running Order figure. This usually includes a full tank of fuel, an amount of water that varies from manufacturer to manufacturer, 75kg allowance for the driver and nothing else. You can trust this figure if you want but I wouldn't recommend it as many manufacturers are known to blatantly lie be hopelessly optimistic when it comes to this figure.

Different manufacturers will include different items in their MIRO calculations, and different amounts. For us it was a 90% full fuel tank, a small Calor Lite gas cylinder, and other bits.

Ideally go to the sales brochure and look in the small print about how they define MIRO.

Bear in mind that optional extras at purchase like roof racks and ladders, 'comfort' kits in the cab and so on won't be part of the MIRO figure. The biggest additional demand on your payload will probably be fluids of various colours and functions.

I agree about heading for the weighbridge to confirm payload, but would add that the result for me was pretty much what I expected after reading the small print and weighing everything in sight before it went in the MH, so not all manufacturers lie through their teeth.

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[Stretto Boy]

I don’t know why people find this so difficult. Just get the figures for (a) Maximum Permissible Mass (which in your case appears to exclude the weight of a motorcycle which you may or may not have), Mass In Service and Revenue Weight from your logbook and (b)
Mass In Running Order. As the MIRO isn’t in your logbook you just make up a figure : most people on here use the typical weight of a Funster who is outside two bottles of Gin. Armed with these figures, you perform this easy calculation:

Simples!

 

[Theonlysue]

Load everything up. Full gas, fuel and water. Go to weighbridge and that will be the heaviest. Then you'll know exactly where you are

 

[138go]

The weigh bridge is the place to start. It's ok thinking you have loads of payload BUT there are a few restrictions. The main one being the maximum weight allowed on the back axle. In the OP's case this is 2400kg nothing else matters. It's virtuallly impossible to overload the front.

So put everything in , fill up with water, diesel, passengers, clothes, food, bikes, Awning, Dog and all the other bits and pieces you just have to carry and then go and find out how much weight is on the back axle.