What are the requirements for a farm to create a CL site? (1 Viewer)

[Otter Spotter]

Just been watching a Yorkshire news story around farmers mental health, loneliness and the high suicide rate and I just wondered that if more farms could have CL type sites, then these would kill at least 2 birds with one stone, firstly more sites for MoHo and caravanners to use and the farmers would have regular contact with people to whom they could at least have chats with and I am sure friendships would grow.

what are the CL site requirements in respect of Planning etc, not what we would need ?

 

[Lenny HB]

Jim should be able to give you the info.

 

[pappajohn]

A council licence for a start....and possibly insurance.

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[Robert Clark]

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[Scotch mist]

farmers mental health, loneliness and the high suicide rate

i’d also want to commit suicide if I had to invest my money & work hard all year
with No idea if I’m going to even break even let alone make profit , year after year

 

[Spriddler]

The CAMC website has details of how to become one of their CLs.

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[Jim]

We ask that you have safe access and egress and space to pitch 1 to 5 vans at least 6m apart. Then...

Bins. optional
Water. optional
Elsan. optional
Insurance. essential. (we can help with that)


Council Licence is not required.

 

[pappajohn]

Council Licence is not required.

I'm surprised at that Jim.... Councils usually grab whatever funds they can.

 

[Otter Spotter]

So if they have a suitable piece of land and reasonable access it’s possible then without too much faff?

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[Jim]

I'm surprised at that Jim.... Councils usually grab whatever funds they can.

Campsites require both planning permission and a council licence. CLs require neither, though they do make us run stuff by the council planners. But they would need to take us to court to stop a CL

 

[138go]

The Caravan and Motorhome Club Cls are required to provide a minimum standard
of facilities. These are:

Safe access for caravans and motor
caravans to include a 3.66m (12 foot)
minimum width gateway and safe approach
road.

Safe drinking and rinsing water taps. If you
are on non-mains water we will require proof
from you on an annual basis that your water
is safe to drink.

A secure emptying point for chemical waste
water.

An adequate number of covered bins for the
disposal of dry refuse.

Public Liability Insurance.

 

[Polobonnie100]

Maybe the Young Farmers need informing of this option - any ideas?

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[Emmit]

A council licence for a start....and possibly insurance.

No licence required.

 

[pappajohn]

The Caravan and Motorhome Club Cls are required to provide a minimum standard
of facilities. These are:

Safe access for caravans and motor
caravans to include a 3.66m (12 foot)
minimum width gateway and safe approach
road.

Safe drinking and rinsing water taps. If you
are on non-mains water we will require proof
from you on an annual basis that your water
is safe to drink.

A secure emptying point for chemical waste
water.

An adequate number of covered bins for the
disposal of dry refuse.

Public Liability Insurance.

But apart from access and insurance that's got to be a club requirement, not a legal one.

 

[Andacami]

What a cracking bit of lateral thinking. Hope this idea can turn into something beneficial for all. Happy to help with making it happen.

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[Otter Spotter]

wasnt lying down when I had the thought I will research Who represents the farmers best, not sure if the NFU are the right people. I believe an issue will be that many farms are tenanted and as a result the tenants may not be able to divers too much from mainstream farming.

 

[Otter Spotter]

I have emailed the BBC Look North team who did a piece on the problem tonight,
I will let you know if I can get anywhere with it.
I will start a file,
Any ideas as to best people to speak to pm me and I will do some leg work on it.

 

[bigtwin]

Might be worth taking a look at this group who are campaigning for, and achieving resilts with, setting up Aires.

Part of their approach is using the Motorcaravanners Club (MCC) to ‘certify’ sites as Aires (akin to the CLs/CSs.

CampRA

They also have a Facebook Group. Indeed, they started off as a FB Group but grew so quickly that they had to set up the forum to better track/manage their initiatives.

They doing great work with considerable success.

Ian

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[Andacami]

It was BBC Countryfile that made me aware of the situation, perhaps another source:

Farmers and mental health: where to go for help

As reported on Countryfile back in 2015, suicide rates are considerably higher among farmers. Where can the farming community seek help with mental illness?

www.countryfile.com

 

[Quackers]

Jim we do need to support all the Fun CLs can we have a page on here that lists them all or even better a map of all the locations and contact details etc.

 

[Otter Spotter]

Joined CamPra, I will post on there and see what response I get.

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[Otter Spotter]

Might be worth taking a look at this group who are campaigning for, and achieving resilts with, setting up Aires.

Part of their approach is using the Motorcaravanners Club (MCC) to ‘certify’ sites as Aires (akin to the CLs/CSs.

CampRA

They also have a Facebook Group. Indeed, they started off as a FB Group but grew so quickly that they had to set up the forum to better track/manage their initiatives.

They doing great work with considerable success.

Ian

See post 21

 

[138go]

But apart from access and insurance that's got to be a club requirement, not a legal one.

Yes as I said the Caravan and Motorhome Club CLs.

 

[Carpmart]

Thumbs up from me on this... could be the classic two birds, one stone!

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[Grianan]

As well as absolute requirements I wonder if it would be useful to share any ideas for reasonable cost solutions for grey and black waste.
My main concern, if I opened up our field, would be people disposing of their waste in hedgerows if I didn’t provide other facilities.

 

[Arnside037]

I have found on a number of occasions that cl owners are happy if GREY waste is deposited in hedgerows especially in dry weather, or depending on the site environment, while others do not allow it in order to prevent runoff damaging nearby water courses. It depends on the circumstances of each cl owner. You need to ask and respect their instruction.

 

[Quackers]

While you could get away with grey waste in hedgerows I think you would be very foolish not to put in a black waste tank. Just remember who will be left with mess if somebody has filled their cassette and needs to empty it.

Nobody looking, I will just empty it in the corner of the field it wont be in the way there. And then they pull out telling you what a lovely stay they had.

On a positive note you do meet some really nice people, and so far we have found folk very respectful of our property.

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[Potty]

As well as absolute requirements I wonder if it would be useful to share any ideas for reasonable cost solutions for grey and black waste.
My main concern, if I opened up our field, would be people disposing of their waste in hedgerows if I didn’t provide other facilities.

Plenty of info on the Campra forum. What part of Scotland are you in? I believe the Highland Council have asked farmers and crafters to see if they have any suitable land that could be used for MH overnight parking.

Link to Highland Council report, which has an email link to the person to contact about aires.

Tourism Committee tackles motorhomes and wild camping

Tourism Committee tackles motorhomes and wild camping - Tourism Committee tackles motorhomes and wild camping

www.highland.gov.uk

 

[Geistguy]

Basic is always best, minimum fresh water supply and black waste disposal, without these average stop overs would probably be very short. Grey water can safely be spread along field verges and hedgerows.

Hard or very firm parking would also open up all year use.

 

[tonyidle]

An increasing number of cls are providing EHUs as that is another factor that limits the length of stay for many campers. To attract reasonable numbers the more facilities the better. Very few visitors will be as well-equipped as the average MH Fun member. The cost and complexity of provision of facilities is limited by the 5 van rule.

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