TOYO H09's Now "Observe" Switching From Michelin Agilis Alpin

Jul 18, 2009
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As you may know from many of my numerous tyre posts and replies, I have always fitted Winter Tyres to all of our Motorhomes and vans.

The last 3 Motorhomes, including the current one, have had Michelin Agilis Winter Tyres, as do my Sprinters. However, the prices of Michelin have rocketed (Paid £50 for my Motorhome ones and £90 for my last Sprinter set).

They have been an exceptional tyre, the ones on the RWD MB Sprinters have done over 40,000 miles. Whilst still legal and passed the MOT, I am getting them changed more on age.

So, I did look at https://www.asdatyres.co.uk/mazzini/snowleopardvan/235-65-16-119-r--snowleopardvan?id=6924590215078 These are Chinese Tyres. You cannot find them on ASDA website direct, you have to google search for them to come up.

But I have recommended Toyo H09's Many times on this and other forums. These are no longer manufactured. So after a long search I have found some Toyo "Observe", They were in plentiful supply in 235/65/16C 115/113 or 121/119 LI Until December. Though rare as hens teeth at the moment.

I will get them fitted and update the forum with a review.

Interestingly, the new "Observe" from TOYO seem like a copy of the Michelin Agilis Alpin. The Good thing, "Made in Japan"

Tyres were £78 each, Delivered Inc VAT. This compares well to tyreleader and oponeo who were charging £90 per tyre in December. Pnues online could not ship due to Brexit but were £101 each anyway.

I will get them fitted locally. Usually get charge £7.50 per tyre, mates rates. But £15-£20 a tyre is the norm.

Photos show new Toyo Observe,
v Micehlin Alpin and the old HO9's
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We have 6 of the H09 fitted 2018, I must say I much prefer the tread pattern on the old H09s to the new observe one that replaced it, more chunkier, beefier looking.

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I think Lenny HB has fitted the Toyo's recently and seems well impressed.(y)

Another one to consider based on a recent review recommendation, and it truly is an all weather/all terrain tyre is The BF Goodrich all terrain KO2, normally fitted to 4.4's but seem to be OK for Fiat FWD.
I have just watched a guy returning from Portugal, through Spain, up into France in snow covered roads, praising them to the hilt.
He shows film footage of his return to the UK last week along snow drifted main roads, and he wasn't hanging about, last week if you remember was bad for snow in Spain, especially round Madrid region.

He has taken his Burstner coach built MH to some lovely wild spots along many flat, but well off main road loose surfaces that I wouldn't have without the fear of getting stuck.

You would have thought the DB levels would be much higher than a "normal" van tyre but apparently he has found no discernible difference at all speeds in road noise despite the more rugged tyre pattern, and the reviews reflect the same & that they are hard wearing.
He is also very impressed with the more secure steering feedback, of his new tyres on all roads at all speeds.
Other reviews I have read also report good longevity & reliability.
However.
Its always great when you have someone else doing the tyre test and reporting back, before you take the plunge, I will be watching this guy in the future to see how he fairs in the coming months as he does quite high mileages being a full timer.
It will be a couple of years at least before I need to change tyres, maybe much longer judging by this years achieved mileage.
LES
 
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I think Lenny HB has fitted the Toyo's recently and seems well impressed.(y)

Another one to consider based on a recent review recommendation, and it truly is an all weather/all terrain tyre is The BF Goodrich all terrain KO2, normally fitted to 4.4's but seem to be OK for Fiat FWD.
I have just watched a guy returning from Portugal, through Spain, up into France in snow covered roads, praising them to the hilt.
He shows film footage of his return to the UK last week along snow drifted main roads, and he wasn't hanging about, last week if you remember was bad for snow in Spain, especially round Madrid region.

He has taken his Burstner coach built MH to some lovely wild spots along many flat, but well off main road loose surfaces that I wouldn't have without the fear of getting stuck.

You would have thought the DB levels would be much higher than a "normal" van tyre but apparently he has found no discernible difference at all speeds in road noise despite the more rugged tyre pattern, and the reviews reflect the same & that they are hard wearing.
He is also very impressed with the more secure steering feedback, of his new tyres on all roads at all speeds.
Other reviews I have read also report good longevity & reliability.
However.
Its always great when you have someone else doing the tyre test and reporting back, before you take the plunge, I will be watching this guy in the future to see how he fairs in the coming months as he does quite high mileages being a full timer.
It will be a couple of years at least before I need to change tyres, maybe much longer judging by this years achieved mileage.
LES

Thanks Les,

Great post.

The only problem I see with the BF Goodrich all terrain is that they are not "C" rated 8 or 10 ply commercial tyres, from what I know. They may well have the correct LI, but should be C rated for commercial vehicles or Motorhomes.

The other thing is. A/T Tyres are good in Snow and mud. But dont compare with Winter tyres for Ice.
 
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Thanks Les,

Great post.

The only problem I see with the BF Goodrich all terrain is that they are not "C" rated 8 or 10 ply commercial tyres, from what I know. They may well have the correct LI, but should be C rated for commercial vehicles or Motorhomes.

The other thing is. A/T Tyres are good in Snow and mud. But dont compare with Winter tyres for Ice.
I am not sure which tyre if any would be better on ice, I think I would like yourself park up and not take a chance.
However have a look at this prolific vloggers review on The BF Goodrich AT tyres, he has assured us that he has matched up the load ratings required, but he is running at 3850KG's.
I know he had to get home from Portugal to the UK FAST to beat the additional paperwork deadline, but I wouldn't have fancied the run he did in such a limited time.
Check out from 8 minutes into this video.
Cheers
LES
 
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Someone may shoot me down for saying this as it may be bulsh@t but since Michelin stopped making tyres in this country, their performance appear to have got worse, with poorer grip and less miles, is it me ? I used Michelin’s across 7 motors until 4 yeears ago when I-replaced them on a Nissan Pathfinder for BFG AT which were far better on the road and off road they got me across mud and snow no problem.

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I reckon I need to change my tyres this year so had a look about, I found Toyo NanoEnergy at a good price compared to other suppliers. Has anyone tried them ?
 
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