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[RubyOptics]

I was brought up to own your mistakes and apologise for them and I am bringing up my own children to do the same. I didn't say that it was wrong to stick up for the underdog, I merely asked why you were particularly vehement when doing so? If you have had a particularly wonderful experience with Carl, or a particularly terrible experience with eddievanbitz then that would, I guess, explain it. As there was nothing to support that theory, I merely wondered if there was any other reason for such a spirited defence? I meant no offence towards you, or indeed Carl as to be honest with you I have no idea who he is.

 

[irnbru]

I was brought up to own your mistakes and apologise for them and I am bringing up my own children to do the same. I didn't say that it was wrong to stick up for the underdog, I merely asked why you were particularly vehement when doing so? If you have had a particularly wonderful experience with Carl, or a particularly terrible experience with eddievanbitz then that would, I guess, explain it. As there was nothing to support that theory, I merely wondered if there was any other reason for such a spirited defence? I meant no offence towards you, or indeed Carl as to be honest with you I have no idea who he is.

Ok with that in mind you should see why I choose to stick up for Carl. POINT being he cant for himself. I don't know Carl any more than I do eddievanbitz but Carl doesn't have the opportunity to advertise as does vanbitz..NOT HIS CHOOSING!!. Does it make it an inferior product than vanbitz is selling?, "I don't think so" At the end of the day only YOU as the reader can decide.

 

[irnbru]

? If you have had a particularly wonderful experience with Carl, or a particularly terrible experience with eddievanbitz then that would, I guess, explain it. As there was nothing to support that theory, I merely wondered if there was any other reason for such a spirited defence? I meant no offence towards you, or indeed Carl as to be honest with you I have no idea who he is.

Oh just wondering if you find it acceptable through no fault of your own to have to spend your own time and money for a return trip to eddievanbitz to have your problem rectified?

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[RowleyBirkinQC]

Ok with that in mind you should see why I choose to stick up for Carl. POINT being he cant for himself. I don't know Carl any more than I do eddievanbitz but Carl doesn't have the opportunity to advertise as does vanbitz..NOT HIS CHOOSING!!. Does it make it an inferior product than vanbitz is selling?, "I don't think so" At the end of the day only YOU as the reader can decide.

Out of curiosity, how do you know that Carl/OSTT cannot advertise here? Has his request to do so been denied? If so, on what grounds?
Being largely naive/ignorant regarding this scenario, I would have thought advertising would be welcomed as an income stream, hence my curiosity.
Apologies if you’ve already explained and I missed it, I haven’t been closely following this thread.

 

[irnbru]

Out of curiosity, how do you know that Carl/OSTT cannot advertise here? Has his request to do so been denied? If so, on what grounds?

Good Question, He told me so! conflict of interest I think. Hardly fair is it!

 

[RowleyBirkinQC]

Good Question, He told me so! conflict of interest I think. Hardly fair is it!

Have you cross referenced that via private message/conversation with Jim?

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[irnbru]

Have you cross referenced that via private message/conversation with Jim?

I haven't no, don't feel the need to but no doubt given this thread is 5 pages in Jims seen it! Jims on top of all his forum sol you really think he's not seen it! More like just not choosing to comment on it..til now At the end of the day Jims got one trader and thats that. Are we all sheep thats gotta go with the flow? Count me out.

 

[RowleyBirkinQC]

I haven't no, don't feel the need to but no doubt given this thread is 5 pages in Jims seen it! Jims on top of all his forum sol you really think he's not seen it! More like just not choosing to comment on it..til now At the end of the day Jims got one trader and thats that. Are we all sheep thats gotta go with the flow? Count me out.

What about the Reviews section? Presumably that is open to forum members who are clients of vendors & service providers to leave their feedback for the benefit of other forum members.

 

[irnbru]

Yep your correct! but theres also folk that won't want to give negative feedback for fear of a backlash. I do know this! Life does go beyond MHF

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[RubyOptics]

Oh just wondering if you find it acceptable through no fault of your own to have to spend your own time and money for a return trip to @eddievanbitz to have your problem rectified?

In case my tag to the left doesn't make it clear, my posting history makes it very obvious that not only am I a complete newbie, but I also do not yet own a van. To pre-empt any complaint, no, I am certainly not expecting anyone to dig through my old posts to ascertain this, hence why I am saying it now. I also live in Poland, so no, I would certainly not relish the idea of a return to the UK to have an alarm adjusted or repaired. I am interested though in what you think is a "conflict of interest"?? How so?? If Carl was indeed banned from this forum, are you saying that he was only banned to allow eddievanbitz unfettered access to this forum to solely promote one and only one alarm system? Surely in doing so you are also imlying that Jim must have a reason for doing so?
If this is not the case, again I am sorry, but I can not see any other scenario where this "conflict of interest" statement makes sense?

 

[irnbru]

I applaud your post actually. Jim might clear this up once and for all. No doubt the following will see a surge of replies This is a response I had to correspondence with Carl at Outsmart The Thief.


It wont let me answer, no surprise there, can you post the below from me. Outsmart the Thief Ltd are the largest supplier of Thatcham Approved Cat 1 alarms and as 1 dealer we sell more than all the others put together, these types of alarms are sold and fitted by our dealer network. Our Gemini Cat 1 alarms run at 12ma so very low power, should someone tamper with the system or have a flat battery it puts the alarm into garage mode as stated by the Thatcham criteria which prevents extra remote control keys being added. The OBD plug which is mentioned is used reset the system, it also protects it from attack.

What may come as a surprise is that as a company we think anyone fitting the above product or infact any Cat 1 alarm are wasting their money, we sell this alarm because insurance companies ask for it and infact it's a very good Cat 1 alarm. Cat 1 was designed in the 90s and has changed very little since then, unfortunately the thief has moved on only this time he is coming with a device that is purpose designed to get round all Cat 1 alarms, all Cat 5,6 and 7 trackers regardless of who makes it.

Lockdown is the ONLY system (we have proof) in the UK that holds a 100% Stop Rate and has for over 14 years, we protect over 4,800 motorhomes. Companies that sell similar products will claim it is either luck or we are lying, feel free to ring any insurance company and ask them. The best system at stopping it being stolen is Lockdown and nothing comes close, should anyone have any questions about us or our system why not hear it from the horses mouth and feel free to call me on 07407 606060. To Admin. I still have not received my email with your advertising rates yet. Regards Carl Meyer. Director of Outsmart the Thief Ltd

 

[DerryW]

Good evening to all. Can I start by saying other than paying my annual monitoring subscriptions' I have absolutely no connection or allegiance whatsoever with OSTT. I was simply sharing an experience of what I perceived to be excellent customer service (something quite rare these days). The last thing I wanted was for other forum members to fall out with each other over recognition of good service. Lets all shake hands and move on.

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[irnbru]

Good evening to all. Can I start by saying other than paying my annual monitoring subscriptions' I have absolutely no connection or allegiance whatsoever with OSTT. I was simply sharing an experience of what I perceived to be excellent customer service (something quite rare these days). The last thing I wanted was for other forum members to fall out with each other over recognition of good service. Lets all shake hands and move on.

I"ve not experienced it yet though have heard their customer experience is "Fab" even when others are on holiday Carl always seems to be there giving the extra mile. Top class after sales!

 

[Jim]

I first read this thread 30 minutes ago and offer the following.

I would not ban someone to give another unfettered access and resent the accusation.
I do not know Carl Meyer and could not remember if I'd banned him or not. After looking at old reports He was banned for breaching trader rules and promoting his product without consulting me as have a hundred other traders over the last 13 years.
I have never stopped anyone promoting Carl Meyers business it has been mentioned here hundreds of times
I don't recall an advertising request from that company. I have never turned down an advertising request for a motorhome related product.
I have actively promoted Vanbitz because I am a long time user of their product and I am grateful they offer Funsters a discount, a discount not offered anywhere else to anyone.

And reading between the lines I'd like to add I have never received a single penny in commission for the sale of any motorhome alarm, if I did, you would know.

 

[irnbru]

I first read this thread 30 minutes ago and offer the following.

I would not ban someone to give another unfettered access and resent the accusation.
I do not know Carl Meyer and could not remember if I'd banned him or not. After looking at old reports He was banned for breaching trader rules and promoting his product without consulting me as have a hundred other traders over the last 13 years.
I have never stopped anyone promoting Carl Meyers business it has been mentioned here hundreds of times
I don't recall an advertising request from that company. I have never turned down an advertising request for a motorhome related product.
I have actively promoted Vanbitz because I am a long time user of their product and I am grateful they offer Funsters a discount, a discount not offered anywhere else to anyone.

And reading between the lines I'd like to add I have never received a single penny in commission for the sale of any motorhome alarm, if I did, you would know.

Thanks for your reply Jim. I'm going to forward this to Carl. As previously mentioned by him ..." Whether true or not can you look out for a reply from him, as I'm sure you will get one or better still you could reply to him in person since he's previously stated he's tried corresponding with you.

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[Jim]

Yep your correct! but theres also folk that won't want to give negative feedback for fear of a backlash.

Tell all those folks afraid of backlash (whatever that is ) that members can give an anonymous review in the security and dealer sections.

 

[irnbru]

please explain how anyone can give anonymous views , thx

 

[eddie]

I applaud your post actually. Jim might clear this up once and for all. No doubt the following will see a surge of replies This is a response I had to correspondence with Carl at Outsmart The Thief.


It wont let me answer, no surprise there, can you post the below from me. Outsmart the Thief Ltd are the largest supplier of Thatcham Approved Cat 1 alarms and as 1 dealer we sell more than all the others put together, these types of alarms are sold and fitted by our dealer network. Our Gemini Cat 1 alarms run at 12ma so very low power, should someone tamper with the system or have a flat battery it puts the alarm into garage mode as stated by the Thatcham criteria which prevents extra remote control keys being added. The OBD plug which is mentioned is used reset the system, it also protects it from attack.

What may come as a surprise is that as a company we think anyone fitting the above product or infact any Cat 1 alarm are wasting their money, we sell this alarm because insurance companies ask for it and infact it's a very good Cat 1 alarm. Cat 1 was designed in the 90s and has changed very little since then, unfortunately the thief has moved on only this time he is coming with a device that is purpose designed to get round all Cat 1 alarms, all Cat 5,6 and 7 trackers regardless of who makes it.

Lockdown is the ONLY system (we have proof) in the UK that holds a 100% Stop Rate and has for over 14 years, we protect over 4,800 motorhomes. Companies that sell similar products will claim it is either luck or we are lying, feel free to ring any insurance company and ask them. The best system at stopping it being stolen is Lockdown and nothing comes close, should anyone have any questions about us or our system why not hear it from the horses mouth and feel free to call me on 07407 606060. To Admin. I still have not received my email with your advertising rates yet. Regards Carl Meyer. Director of Outsmart the Thief Ltd

14 Years? Web site 20 years? This unsuccessful pitch nine years ago is interesting




Van Bitz have also never had a tracked vehicle stolen and not recovered, so 100% record

Not all our 30,000 plus motorhomes we have protected are still in contact with us

We are though, the only motorhome security specialist in the UK, as we are fully employed installing motorhome alarms, full time and don’t need to also sell alarms into the car market, the caravan markets or the TUV accredited motorbike market whatever they are fitted to lol

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[Jim]

please explain how anyone can give anonymous views , thx

Put a check in the box next to Submit review anonymously

 

[irnbru]

14 Years? Web site 20 years? This unsuccessful pitch nine years ago is interesting




Van Bitz have also never had a tracked vehicle stolen and not recovered, so 100% record

Not all our 30,000 plus motorhomes we have protected are still in contact with us

We are though, the only motorhome security specialist in the UK, as we are fully employed installing motorhome alarms, full time and don’t need to also sell alarms into the car market, the caravan markets or the TUV accredited motorbike market whatever they are fitted to lol

Bet they are kicking themselves now,

We are though, the only motorhome security specialist in the UK, as we are fully employed installing motorhome alarms, full time and don’t need to also sell alarms into the car market, the caravan markets or the TUV accredited motorbike market whatever they are fitted to lol

Funny how earlier on in the thread you mentioned "caravan door" And no you don't "only" specialise in motorhome security do you! I believe you do much more electronics wise than just motorhome alarm installations.

 

[RubyOptics]

I first read this thread 30 minutes ago and offer the following.

I would not ban someone to give another unfettered access and resent the accusation.
I do not know Carl Meyer and could not remember if I'd banned him or not. After looking at old reports He was banned for breaching trader rules and promoting his product without consulting me as have a hundred other traders over the last 13 years.
I have never stopped anyone promoting Carl Meyers business it has been mentioned here hundreds of times
I don't recall an advertising request from that company. I have never turned down an advertising request for a motorhome related product.
I have actively promoted Vanbitz because I am a long time user of their product and I am grateful they offer Funsters a discount, a discount not offered anywhere else to anyone.

And reading between the lines I'd like to add I have never received a single penny in commission for the sale of any motorhome alarm, if I did, you would know.

Jim I was not in any way, shape or form accusing you of banning, blocking or using any other method to exclude members or traders and theirs or others opinions. I used that term of speech to express disbelief, nothing more, nothing less.
As i have said in nearly all of my previous comments, I was surprised at the strength of opinion shown by irnbru , considering I have used several alarm manufacturers over the years i asked her to explain why she was so vehement in her defence. I am in no way implying there is any link, financial tie, kcik-back or anything else between Jim and eddievanbitz or Carl who is the manufacturer of the other alarm system mentioned in this thread.

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[eddie]

Bet they are kicking themselves now,

? I doubt that very much!

Funny how earlier on in the thread you mentioned "caravan door"

The main ingress door, into a motorcaravan is generally referred to as the ‘caravan door’ in the same way that the front doors are called ‘cab doors’

I believe what your referring to was when I said that our system is correctly installed with a hard wired switch, not a battery operated wireless unit which only make the installer life easier

I could call it the habitation door if you preferred? But it doesn’t mean we install alarms on cars, caravans or anything else.

 

[funflair]

Good evening to all. Can I start by saying other than paying my annual monitoring subscriptions' I have absolutely no connection or allegiance whatsoever with OSTT. I was simply sharing an experience of what I perceived to be excellent customer service (something quite rare these days). The last thing I wanted was for other forum members to fall out with each other over recognition of good service. Lets all shake hands and move on.

Don't worry some of us would fall out with ourselves if the room was empty, I am grateful to you for your feedback and also Sandra irnbru in her quest to keep us all factually informed, I am in the market for an alarm so I wanted facts rather than idle gossip, in the end I spoke to Carl as Sandra suggested and I was happy with his response.

Martin

 

[lorger]

funflair Martin this is a genuine question not meaning to be cheeky.

Does a van of Morelo price not come with security as standard or at least an option.

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[Jim]

For those who love a conspiracy theory, there is nothing to see here. Vanbitz sponsor the security section and offer an exclusive discount to Funsters. I do not sell alarms nor receive any type of commission in money or benefits in kind from Van Bitz.

If I wanted VanBitz to have some sort of Solus deal here, I could easily arrange it. But if I did you would know about it.

As for Carl, I know from experience that abbreviated accounts are extremely hard to decipher so for us to discuss his solvency openly here is wrong. This might damage his business so I will be deleting those posts and closing this thread. Thanks