Stop Buying Diesel

Jim

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All you need is a contract with your local chippy and with a bottle of this, you will save £000's

Anybody using it?
 

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Sounds great Jim, but is there any Indepedent info on if it affects your engine long term. :cry:

Any bets on how long it would take "grabbing Gordon" to put a tax on veggie oils? :Eeek:

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Jim

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I'm sure that the chippy will have to pay to dispose of the oil, so supply would not be a issue. Smelling like a savaloy would be a problem I imagine::bigsmile:
 
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Jim

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The price of Diesel has gone through the roof, I am surprised more people are not going down this route, especially as it sits well with the green lobby.

I don't think my finely tuned 8.1L Vortec would run on anything except the finest refined petrol, its a thoroughbred you see, not like those smelly, lumpy diesels that will run on anything:Smile:
 

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I think we all would be happy to pay $2.92 per gallon for diesel

those yanks have all the luck :ROFLMAO:
 
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Bio Diesel

I heard yesterday that it uses more CO2 to grow the Bio diesel than if you used ordinary diesel!!:Eeek:
Apparently, it is the type of fertilizer used!!!!:whatthe:
Also as we know, many farmers are growing the products to make this Bio at the expense of growing food and food prices are going uuuupppppp!!!!!:Eeek::cry:
 
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jkoebel

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There's a big following in the classic Mercedes community over here, where people do exactly that. Thousands of people who own W123/W124/W126 diesel Mercedes, and some newer ones, collect waste vegetable oil from restaurants and places and react it with lye, methanol to produce a Fatty-Acid Methyl Ester.

There's a standard, ASTM D 6751, that defines the properties of a FAME "biodiesel" to be safe for engines, although honestly, anything but the newest/most high-tech engines will run fine if it's off the standard a little bit. I think ASTM is international, not just U.S.-only?

This "BioFuel Basics" place doesn't actually do any of that, however. Basically what they're doing is the same old snake oil that is seen time and time again. It's little more than a mixture of oil, unleaded gasoline and some other garbage (cetane booster perhaps.) It will at best give you slightly lower fuel economy, and at worst, ruin your engines.

It's possible to make a FAME biofuel yourself for less than about $2/gal using some pipes, an old water heater, a heating element, a motor, filtered oil, methanol and lye...that won't ruin your engine.
 

peterandbetty

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The Bio-fuel basic is rubbish .We tried it last year and it was a utter load of rubbish and it did'nt work .So now we use Bio diesel and i think you will find that most chip shops use the solid veg oil which is of no use when making bio-diesel .
Betty
 

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:ROFLMAO: At the rate it is going up it will be cheaper to buy stright veggie oil and fill up with that / no mixing :ROFLMAO::thumb:
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I have to tell you I have been running on Bio (Used cooking oil)Diesel for approx 7 years with various vehicles. :thumb:
I have downloaded a directory of sellers throughout the country. the price does vary, up and down the country from 90p to £1.05 per litre.:thumb:
As it is USED cooking oil, will someone please tell me how i am causing increased food prices or the starvation of the 3rd world pop, these are all blamed on BIO DIESEL.:ROFLMAO:
It is one of the cleanest fuels around and does less damage to the atmosphere.

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I heard yesterday that it uses more CO2 to grow the Bio diesel than if you used ordinary diesel!!
Apparently, it is the type of fertilizer used!!!!
Also as we know, many farmers are growing the products to make this Bio at the expense of growing food and food prices are going uuuupppppp!!!!!:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
You kill me :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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jkoebel

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I saw the tail end of a news segment on CNN not too long ago, about how riots over food prices in Mexico, were directly caused by the U.S. growing corn for ethanol production rather than food export.

Something about the price of food-corn in Mexico being tied to the price of fuel/seed/non-human food corn, and non-human food corn going through the roof.

They were blaming us, I blame bad economics -- price controls never work.

Bio, however, is amazing. It takes a waste product that was previously useless, and turns it into something better. Net 0 carbon, no waste disposal, both processors and restaurants make money too!
 
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paulmj

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Of course as soon as you put used cooking oil (or anything else) in your car/motorhome/etc you are legally required to pay Road Fuel Duty on it and it stops being so cheap. Lots of people (someone will know how many and where) have been busted for this because, you guessed it, the Police could tell they were running used cooking oil by the smell. A quick pull, a "can you prove you are paying duty on that fuel, sir?" and they landed straight in court.

I do like the idea of one of the small conversion plants you can buy though. Apparently the trick is to use new cooking oil which doesn't smell. It is still miles cheaper than derv!
 

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Bio fuel prices.

Of course as soon as you put used cooking oil (or anything else) in your car/motorhome/etc you are legally required to pay Road Fuel Duty on it and it stops being so cheap. Lots of people (someone will know how many and where) have been busted for this because, you guessed it, the Police could tell they were running used cooking oil by the smell. A quick pull, a "can you prove you are paying duty on that fuel, sir?" and they landed straight in court.

I do like the idea of one of the small conversion plants you can buy though. Apparently the trick is to use new cooking oil which doesn't smell. It is still miles cheaper than derv!
I hope this webb site will be of help with the legal prices of Bio fuel as he's been going for years.

Bio-power fuel prices August 2006
 

Wildman

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Of course as soon as you put used cooking oil (or anything else) in your car/motorhome/etc you are legally required to pay Road Fuel Duty on it and it stops being so cheap. Lots of people (someone will know how many and where) have been busted for this because, you guessed it, the Police could tell they were running used cooking oil by the smell. A quick pull, a "can you prove you are paying duty on that fuel, sir?" and they landed straight in court.

I do like the idea of one of the small conversion plants you can buy though. Apparently the trick is to use new cooking oil which doesn't smell. It is still miles cheaper than derv!
You are out of date, since last November the chancellor changed the law regarding veg oil. you can now legally use up to 2500 litres a year without paying fuel tax, veg oil down here is currently £1.23 litre and new oil straight from the supermarket does smell the same. I know I use it.
 

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Legally I understand you can use up to 2500 litres a year without any tax liabilities. Unfortunately if you check out the price of cooking oil in the supermarkets there isn't a big saving for the likes of us who only do a few thou a year. Have a look on ebay and see what people are selling used chip shop oil for and it will astound you. Personally I'm resigned to not travelling much. I don't see how anyone can beat the system. Just get on with life as best we can and not get too wound up. GRRRRRRRR

Chilling honest. :Smile:
 

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Evening all

After attending a 2 day outdoor event and mixing with traders, I was astounded after a number of them told me they ran an old van, 92-99 vintage just for the outdoor events and run the things on veg oil.

I even went in to see the customs & excise people who were showing there, and asked them the score, they pointed me to the relevant part of their web site, and confirmed the story I had been given

I got some information and did some looking up, and I can't see any drawbacks other than a few minor inconveniences. The price of veg oil is rising, but could it go above diesel prices? perhaps, but at the moment the difference is there.

I'm now looking into using new straight veg oil, initially as a 50/50 mix with pump derv, and then to install a second tank, and run 100% veg oil if no problems.

With diesel at nearly 1.30 around here and veg oil at around 85p from the wholesalers, it's a big saving.

With the customs & excise annual 2500 litre limit before being liable for duty, it means roughly 12500 miles with a saving of 45p a litre.

I wouldn't do those miles in a year, but I probably will over 3 years, and this would more than cover the cost of the full extra tank and gubbins installation.

What drawbacks? You have to keep simple records of what veg oil you use, and you have to fill your tank from a 20 litre drum instead of from the forecourt pump.

This is probably not for those who run newer vans with TDI engines, and those under warranties, but great for those with older vans like mine (95 Fiat 2.5TD), just over 60k miles, so the engine has loads of life left in it.

Here are some links, some probably posted before, of some useful information.

vegetableoildiesel.co.uk - Powered by XMB

Products

ATG - Diesel, Biodiesel and Vegetable Oil Technology (SVO/PPO)

And veg oil prices from Bookers - Makro tend to advertise the price as "market price"


Booker Wholesale | Search

Cheers

Dave
 

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hi Dave,

this is a very old post but the info you posted is very usefull especialy as i have a bookers card.
20ltr for £17.99 sounds good to me. :thumb:

john.
 

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hi Dave,

this is a very old post but the info you posted is very usefull especialy as i have a bookers card.
20ltr for £17.99 sounds good to me. :thumb:

john.
Hello John

It looks like a no brainer, but I still feel a little bit sceptical.

I filled up to the brim on the way home from the show on sunday evening, 66.13 litres cost me 84.69 (1.299 per litre).

I'll run the van till she's half full and then go 50/50 with veg oil, and report back.

Good on you for the chip fat post.

Cheers

Dave
 
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