Spain lobbies EU over 90 day rule?

[ChrisL]

I know it’s the express but it will be interesting to see if they get anywhere.

Spain demands Brussels changes post-Brexit rules for UK holidaymakers

Britons travelling to Spain and other EU countries are only allowed to stay for up to 90 days within every 180 days since Brexit.

www.express.co.uk

 

[TheMachMan]

Similar thread raised earlier, but nevertheless encouraging news. Though the EU moves so slowly could be ages, but fingers crossed!

 

[bobandjanie]

I quite liked the story until I read ' change post-Brexit travel rules to allow UK citizens to remain in Spain indefinitely ' you can't legally stay in any country indefinitely without becoming a resident. Bob.

 

[Spriddler]

Over 80 replies to read in this afternoon's post on the same subject........

Schengen possible relaxation rules

Good news possibly !!!!!! Maybe next year schengen will not be for us so we can stay longer for 6 months again and campsites can have many more UK campers during October November December too 🙂 fingers crossed 🤞 🤞 Hope Portugal does this too

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[ChrisL]

I quite liked the story until I read ' change post-Brexit travel rules to allow UK citizens to remain in Spain indefinitely ' you can't legally stay in any country indefinitely without becoming a resident. Bob.

I did say it was the express

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[Littlewheels]

I quite liked the story until I read ' change post-Brexit travel rules to allow UK citizens to remain in Spain indefinitely ' you can't legally stay in any country indefinitely without becoming a resident. Bob.

Not now and perhaps not legally and l use the term loosely but prior to B thousands did and for a number of years without recourse. Those were the good old days

 

[Bartyfixedit]

I quite liked the story until I read ' change post-Brexit travel rules to allow UK citizens to remain in Spain indefinitely ' you can't legally stay in any country indefinitely without becoming a resident. Bob.

Or Dying

 

[busby]

I did say it was the express

It was in Spanish newspapers also BUSBY.

 

[jumartoo]

It was in Spanish newspapers also BUSBY.

Not the one that has articles by Leapy Lee?

 

[Verteuil Man]

If the EU allows Spain this request it will threaten the whole Shengan zone. If you enter the EU via Calais then travel to Spain for 180 days minus travel. Exit through Calais, bang and fined.

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[ChrisL]

If the EU allows Spain this request it will threaten the whole Shengan zone. If you enter the EU via Calais then travel to Spain for 180 days minus travel. Exit through Calais, bang and fined.

They would need to allow it for all schengen countries, but all they need to do is reciprocate the rules the UK have for EU nationals coming to the UK, as long as no one is claiming benefits or working without a work permit then it's all good surely?

 

[Verteuil Man]

The rules for EU residents coming to the UK is 180 days so the UK is giving nothing away. I doubt very much people coming to the UK on a v8sa would be claiming befits. That a myth started by the Daily Mail. Its the illegal immigrants that claims and by the nature of the name illegal have no visa.

 

[Brains]

They would need to allow it for all schengen countries, but all they need to do is reciprocate the rules the UK have for EU nationals coming to the UK, as long as no one is claiming benefits or working without a work permit then it's all good surely?

A "Snowbirds Visa" then.
No work, No tax. No benefits (including health except A&E)

The problem then is the numbers, as it would only apply to a few (hundred?) thousand visitors, mostly in the winter.
Spain/the EU/Schengen countries will only look at the visa situation IF it makes financial sense.

Remember all those Spanish hotels filled with Snowbirds, only charging £30 a night all in, are not running at a profit.
They only do it to retain their staff and reduce their losses.

A 'Snowbirds Only' visa is probably more bother than it's worth, as those that benefit most would be elderly ex-EU citizens.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

A "Snowbirds Visa" then.
No work, No tax. No benefits (including health except A&E)

The problem then is the numbers, as it would only apply to a few (hundred?) thousand visitors, mostly in the winter.
Spain/the EU/Schengen countries will only look at the visa situation IF it makes financial sense.

Remember all those Spanish hotels filled with Snowbirds, only charging £30 a night all in, are not running at a profit.
They only do it to retain their staff and reduce their losses.

A 'Snowbirds Only' visa is probably more bother than it's worth, as those that benefit most would be elderly ex-EU citizens.

Why is Spain and the Spanish tourist board pushing for it then?

 

[ChrisL]

A "Snowbirds Visa" then.
No work, No tax. No benefits (including health except A&E)

The problem then is the numbers, as it would only apply to a few (hundred?) thousand visitors, mostly in the winter.
Spain/the EU/Schengen countries will only look at the visa situation IF it makes financial sense.

Remember all those Spanish hotels filled with Snowbirds, only charging £30 a night all in, are not running at a profit.
They only do it to retain their staff and reduce their losses.

A 'Snowbirds Only' visa is probably more bother than it's worth, as those that benefit most would be elderly ex-EU citizens.

If it wasn't profitable the Spanish wouldn't be asking for it, don't forget the Government gets the vat and tax on everything spent as well, you may say it's more bother then it's worth but people/countries don't get wealthy by not counting the pennies, as long as the income generated is greater than the cost of administration then its worthwhile.

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[Brains]

Why is Spain and the Spanish tourist board pushing for it then?

What suits the Spanish Tourist board, is not necessarily what suits the Spanish Government, or other EU countries

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

What suits the Spanish Tourist board, is not necessarily what suits the Spanish Government, or other EU countries

I was replying to your post saying it wasn't worth it to hotels etc
The Spanish govt wants it. They are talking about a bilateral deal.
It's down to the other EU countries.

 

[gus-lopez]

but all they need to do is reciprocate the rules the UK have for EU nationals coming to the UK, as long as no one is claiming benefits or working without a work permit then it's all good surely?

they can't . rules state 90 consecutive days & you must apply for residency.

Why is Spain and the Spanish tourist board pushing for it then?

because that is there job. To increase tourism. Why ,I have no idea as in Barcelona they actively discourage it with increased tourist taxes , cut back on allowing more rental accommodation etc; as the locals are fed up to the back teeth trying to work/get about with a million tourists/day clogging the place up.

 

[ChrisL]

they can't . rules state 90 consecutive days & you must apply for residency.

Isn't that something that would be part of any negotiations? But that 90 days rule was always the case though wasn't it, but it wasn't policed previously, and if it was you could pop over a border for a day and then come back.

 

[Crazylegs]

Why is Spain and the Spanish tourist board pushing for it then?

Perhaps their minds are not focused on snowbirds in wheels, rather on the big bird airplanes that bring the more lucrative clients.

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[gus-lopez]

Isn't that something that would be part of any negotiations? But that 90 days rule was always the case though wasn't it, but it wasn't policed previously, and if it was you could pop over a border for a day and then come back.

But far easier to reduce the UK to 90 days?

 

[bobandjanie]

But far easier to reduce the UK to 90 days?

We did 89 days this year more than enough for us but family comes first. Bob.

 

[jumar]

Perhaps their minds are not focused on snowbirds in wheels, rather on the big bird airplanes that bring the more lucrative clients.

But a big spending Client doesn't want a long stay location in the Winter Sun....staying on campsites, arriving in caravans and motorhomes....
They would be happy with a Fully Inclusive in a 5 Star Hotel lasting just a couple of weeks before returning to homelife in the UK and earning more money for next year's 5 Star Hotel vacation..
So who's banging the drum to have the 90 days extended..
Second home owners ( Priority)...Snowbirds mainly retired who escape the cold damp conditions of the UK by staying on Costa Campsites..That's how I see it....
The summer tourist trade is vibrant...no change there, if the need is to increase winter visitors, then this only applies to those from the UK..all other nationalities are still here..and in huge numbers and this in itself is going to be restricted, which has been fully publicised elsewhere...

 

[Crazylegs]

We were visiting friends in Spain last winter when this subject was being discussed. Certainly 2nd home owners without Spanish residency who winter there are now juggling dates, they are spending less time and money there as they have to return back to the UK. One couple we know have sold their apartment in a sweet deal that allows them to rent the apartment when it’s available.
I don’t know if the traditional long stay hotel for retirees market has been affected by the changes, but if the demand is less, that’s more hotel staff out of work and on benefits.

 

[jumar]

We were visiting friends in Spain last winter when this subject was being discussed. Certainly 2nd home owners without Spanish residency who winter there are now juggling dates, they are spending less time and money there as they have to return back to the UK. One couple we know have sold their apartment in a sweet deal that allows them to rent the apartment when it’s available.
I don’t know if the traditional long stay hotel for retirees market has been affected by the changes, but if the demand is less, that’s more hotel staff out of work and on benefits.

We are experiencing some minor sale increase where we live.....but sales are good for the economic impact... Someone is selling but someone is buying....that buyer may be a Spanish Resident or National..
The effect of Covid is still impacting on tourism....but this has been greatly forgotten and reduction in Hotel numbers is constantly been blamed on B****t....

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[Razamataz]

Not the one that has articles by Leapy Lee?

Ahh!!
the good Euro Weekly
luv Leapy

 

[busby]

Not the one that has articles by Leapy Lee?

No,,a newspaper not a rag,,,BUSBY..

 

[jumar]

No,,a newspaper not a rag,,,BUSBY..

Busby...you come to Spain frequently, I don't ever recall you going on about the 90/180 restrictions bothering you...
Are you managing quite well? Are you in Spain right now?

 

[jumartoo]

No,,a newspaper not a rag,,,BUSBY..

Ohhh ???