Spain lobbies EU over 90 day rule? (1 Viewer)

Dec 24, 2014
9,318
48,080
Hurstpierpoint. Mid Sussex.
Funster No
34,553
MH
Compass Navigator
Exp
Ever since lighting was by Calor gas.
Over 80 replies to read in this afternoon's post on the same subject........

 
Last edited:
OP
OP
ChrisL
Apr 26, 2015
2,838
7,021
Ottershaw
Funster No
36,067
MH
Hymer S820
Exp
First motorhome May 2021
I quite liked the story until I read ' change post-Brexit travel rules to allow UK citizens to remain in Spain indefinitely ' 🙄 you can't legally stay in any country indefinitely without becoming a resident. 😁 Bob.
I did say it was the express :giggle:

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
Jan 13, 2014
3,644
11,794
Leeds - Yorkshire
Funster No
29,678
MH
Coachbuilt
Exp
40+
I quite liked the story until I read ' change post-Brexit travel rules to allow UK citizens to remain in Spain indefinitely ' 🙄 you can't legally stay in any country indefinitely without becoming a resident. 😁 Bob.
Not now and perhaps not legally and l use the term loosely but prior to B thousands did and for a number of years without recourse. Those were the good old days🤔😁
 
May 5, 2022
1,842
8,372
Kidsgrove, North Staffordshire.
Funster No
88,502
MH
Hymer B778 PL
Exp
Since 1992
If the EU allows Spain this request it will threaten the whole Shengan zone. If you enter the EU via Calais then travel to Spain for 180 days minus travel. Exit through Calais, bang and fined.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
OP
OP
ChrisL
Apr 26, 2015
2,838
7,021
Ottershaw
Funster No
36,067
MH
Hymer S820
Exp
First motorhome May 2021
If the EU allows Spain this request it will threaten the whole Shengan zone. If you enter the EU via Calais then travel to Spain for 180 days minus travel. Exit through Calais, bang and fined.
They would need to allow it for all schengen countries, but all they need to do is reciprocate the rules the UK have for EU nationals coming to the UK, as long as no one is claiming benefits or working without a work permit then it's all good surely?
 
May 5, 2022
1,842
8,372
Kidsgrove, North Staffordshire.
Funster No
88,502
MH
Hymer B778 PL
Exp
Since 1992
The rules for EU residents coming to the UK is 180 days so the UK is giving nothing away. I doubt very much people coming to the UK on a v8sa would be claiming befits. That a myth started by the Daily Mail. Its the illegal immigrants that claims and by the nature of the name illegal have no visa.
 
Feb 18, 2017
4,168
8,075
Greenwich, London, UK
Funster No
47,382
MH
Hymer MLT 570
Exp
1986
They would need to allow it for all schengen countries, but all they need to do is reciprocate the rules the UK have for EU nationals coming to the UK, as long as no one is claiming benefits or working without a work permit then it's all good surely?
A "Snowbirds Visa" then.
No work, No tax. No benefits (including health except A&E)

The problem then is the numbers, as it would only apply to a few (hundred?) thousand visitors, mostly in the winter.
Spain/the EU/Schengen countries will only look at the visa situation IF it makes financial sense.

Remember all those Spanish hotels filled with Snowbirds, only charging £30 a night all in, are not running at a profit.
They only do it to retain their staff and reduce their losses.

A 'Snowbirds Only' visa is probably more bother than it's worth, as those that benefit most would be elderly ex-EU citizens.
 

Greasy Chap Butty

LIFE MEMBER
Oct 16, 2022
139
2,461
Funster No
91,918
MH
Boxer
A "Snowbirds Visa" then.
No work, No tax. No benefits (including health except A&E)

The problem then is the numbers, as it would only apply to a few (hundred?) thousand visitors, mostly in the winter.
Spain/the EU/Schengen countries will only look at the visa situation IF it makes financial sense.

Remember all those Spanish hotels filled with Snowbirds, only charging £30 a night all in, are not running at a profit.
They only do it to retain their staff and reduce their losses.

A 'Snowbirds Only' visa is probably more bother than it's worth, as those that benefit most would be elderly ex-EU citizens.
Why is Spain and the Spanish tourist board pushing for it then?
 
OP
OP
ChrisL
Apr 26, 2015
2,838
7,021
Ottershaw
Funster No
36,067
MH
Hymer S820
Exp
First motorhome May 2021
A "Snowbirds Visa" then.
No work, No tax. No benefits (including health except A&E)

The problem then is the numbers, as it would only apply to a few (hundred?) thousand visitors, mostly in the winter.
Spain/the EU/Schengen countries will only look at the visa situation IF it makes financial sense.

Remember all those Spanish hotels filled with Snowbirds, only charging £30 a night all in, are not running at a profit.
They only do it to retain their staff and reduce their losses.

A 'Snowbirds Only' visa is probably more bother than it's worth, as those that benefit most would be elderly ex-EU citizens.
If it wasn't profitable the Spanish wouldn't be asking for it, don't forget the Government gets the vat and tax on everything spent as well, you may say it's more bother then it's worth but people/countries don't get wealthy by not counting the pennies, as long as the income generated is greater than the cost of administration then its worthwhile.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

Greasy Chap Butty

LIFE MEMBER
Oct 16, 2022
139
2,461
Funster No
91,918
MH
Boxer
What suits the Spanish Tourist board, is not necessarily what suits the Spanish Government, or other EU countries
I was replying to your post saying it wasn't worth it to hotels etc
The Spanish govt wants it. They are talking about a bilateral deal.
It's down to the other EU countries.
 
Aug 18, 2014
23,948
135,478
Lorca,Murcia,Spain
Funster No
32,898
MH
Transit PVC
Exp
16 years since restarting
but all they need to do is reciprocate the rules the UK have for EU nationals coming to the UK, as long as no one is claiming benefits or working without a work permit then it's all good surely?
they can't . rules state 90 consecutive days & you must apply for residency.
Why is Spain and the Spanish tourist board pushing for it then?
because that is there job. To increase tourism. Why ,I have no idea as in Barcelona they actively discourage it with increased tourist taxes , cut back on allowing more rental accommodation etc; as the locals are fed up to the back teeth trying to work/get about with a million tourists/day clogging the place up.
 
OP
OP
ChrisL
Apr 26, 2015
2,838
7,021
Ottershaw
Funster No
36,067
MH
Hymer S820
Exp
First motorhome May 2021
they can't . rules state 90 consecutive days & you must apply for residency.
Isn't that something that would be part of any negotiations? But that 90 days rule was always the case though wasn't it, but it wasn't policed previously, and if it was you could pop over a border for a day and then come back.
 

jumar

LIFE MEMBER
Nov 6, 2012
3,820
11,810
Spain
Funster No
23,578
MH
Hymer Tramp
Exp
Since 1994
Perhaps their minds are not focused on snowbirds in wheels, rather on the big bird airplanes that bring the more lucrative clients.
But a big spending Client doesn't want a long stay location in the Winter Sun....staying on campsites, arriving in caravans and motorhomes....
They would be happy with a Fully Inclusive in a 5 Star Hotel lasting just a couple of weeks before returning to homelife in the UK and earning more money for next year's 5 Star Hotel vacation..
So who's banging the drum to have the 90 days extended..
Second home owners ( Priority)...Snowbirds mainly retired who escape the cold damp conditions of the UK by staying on Costa Campsites..That's how I see it....
The summer tourist trade is vibrant...no change there, if the need is to increase winter visitors, then this only applies to those from the UK..all other nationalities are still here..and in huge numbers and this in itself is going to be restricted, which has been fully publicised elsewhere...
 
Feb 19, 2017
927
2,268
Leighton Buzzard
Funster No
47,391
MH
A class
Exp
Ten years
We were visiting friends in Spain last winter when this subject was being discussed. Certainly 2nd home owners without Spanish residency who winter there are now juggling dates, they are spending less time and money there as they have to return back to the UK. One couple we know have sold their apartment in a sweet deal that allows them to rent the apartment when it’s available.
I don’t know if the traditional long stay hotel for retirees market has been affected by the changes, but if the demand is less, that’s more hotel staff out of work and on benefits.
 

jumar

LIFE MEMBER
Nov 6, 2012
3,820
11,810
Spain
Funster No
23,578
MH
Hymer Tramp
Exp
Since 1994
We were visiting friends in Spain last winter when this subject was being discussed. Certainly 2nd home owners without Spanish residency who winter there are now juggling dates, they are spending less time and money there as they have to return back to the UK. One couple we know have sold their apartment in a sweet deal that allows them to rent the apartment when it’s available.
I don’t know if the traditional long stay hotel for retirees market has been affected by the changes, but if the demand is less, that’s more hotel staff out of work and on benefits.
We are experiencing some minor sale increase where we live.....but sales are good for the economic impact... Someone is selling but someone is buying....that buyer may be a Spanish Resident or National..
The effect of Covid is still impacting on tourism....but this has been greatly forgotten and reduction in Hotel numbers is constantly been blamed on B****t....

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

jumar

LIFE MEMBER
Nov 6, 2012
3,820
11,810
Spain
Funster No
23,578
MH
Hymer Tramp
Exp
Since 1994
No,,a newspaper not a rag,,,BUSBY..😃😃
Busby...you come to Spain frequently, I don't ever recall you going on about the 90/180 restrictions bothering you...
Are you managing quite well? Are you in Spain right now?
 

jumartoo

Funster
LIFE MEMBER
Oct 19, 2015
7,072
192,084
Alhama de Murcia, Spain
Funster No
39,634
MH
Hymer Tramp
Exp
Since 1994
No,,a newspaper not a rag,,,BUSBY..😃😃


Ohhh ???

istockphoto-1040911700-612x612.jpg
 

Join us or log in to post a reply.

To join in you must be a member of MotorhomeFun

Join MotorhomeFun

Join us, it quick and easy!

Log in

Already a member? Log in here.

Latest journal entries

Funsters who are viewing this thread

Back
Top